Assorted Militia/SovCit news,(formerly Bundy thread)

[NoCalMike]

The thing I don't get about these militia folks is what exactly is their end game?  Let's entertain their fantasy/nightmare-scenario/delusion for a second and say that two years from now the evil guv'mint comes for their land or guns or freedom or whatever.   What do they honestly think they are going to accomplish with an AR-15 and other weapons?  At best they would take out a small number of government agents and then just end up getting blown to smithereens for their efforts.   

 

[Predicto]

4 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

The thing I don't get about these militia folks is what exactly is their end game?  Let's entertain their fantasy/nightmare-scenario/delusion for a second and say that two years from now the evil guv'mint comes for their land or guns or freedom or whatever.   What do they honestly think they are going to accomplish with an AR-15 and other weapons?  At best they would take out a small number of government agents and then just end up getting blown to smithereens for their efforts.   

 

 

 

Oh you silly billy.   Haven't you seen the truth yet?   Here's the way it's going to go down (courtesy of a fwd:fwd:fwd email from my Uncle Chet)

 

"The Trigger

It’s difficult to pinpoint a particular spark that could or would ignite another civil war or revolution, but certainly mandatory H1N1 vaccination and presidential seizure of the internet are possibilities. It may even be a terrorist attack that many suspect the administration is setting-up the country for in its grand design to impose a dictatorship on the country. However, regardless of what touches-off the growing powder keg, we do know that (1) once angered, it takes a lot to calm Americans and (2) there would be a great deal of collateral damage.

The First Days

Conceivably, within the first days of an armed revolt, numerous politicians, Obama hacks, federal judges, and media members would be killed. Although the president may order active-duty military forces to supplement local law enforcement, it is doubtful that more than 40% of the military would obey his order to shoot American citizens and most of the military’s trained “gun fighters” are otherwise engaged in overseas combat zones. Additionally, many law enforcement personnel would opt to focus on humanitarian aid for those Americans caught in the crossfire versus taking on a well-armed and determined citizenry. Likewise, Obama could expect little to no support from the governors, as federalizing National Guard troops would not be in a state government’s interest when the focus of the revolt is the federal government. Additionally, it is conceivable that media outlets would be seized to enable communications for those Americans in revolt and voice their demands for a general and unconditional surrender of all politicians — including the president. Undoubtedly, Obama would exacerbate the problem by requesting UN assistance in the form of foreign Soldiers when his own Soldiers refused to shoot Americans.

The First Week

As the inevitable food and water shortages began within the large urban areas, the administration would be saddled with responding to this crisis. Additionally, with the seizures of transportation routes, medical supplies would quickly be problematic and the wounded would be dying for lack of medical treatment. Although the administration would likely attempt to harness this for political purposes, the non-existence of media in many areas, the lack of internet access, radio, digital television, and the destruction of key emergency networks would stifle the administration’s attempts to coalesce support from those Americans not involved in the armed revolt. In other words, the country’s communications infrastructure would have its weaknesses revealed and these weaknesses would benefit those in revolt. Meantime, from their areas of refuge, the administration would communicate via secure satellite systems in its attempts to re-establish authority.

The Second Week

After a brief lull in the killing, this period would be remembered as the time of purging. Obama supporters would be summarily executed in their homes and on the streets. Since the administration had gone so far as to seek UN assistance, the general American animosity toward the organization would come to the forefront and, again, this would only exacerbate the anger and trigger more bloodshed. By this point, gasoline is either unavailable or in the hands of those in revolt. The economy would have already ground to a halt, public transportation would be useless, and people would be dying from thirst.

The First Month

By this point, the military would be experiencing the highest desertion rate in its history, as active-duty members sought to ensure the safety of their own families or joined the revolt. Local law enforcement and the state’s National Guards would be providing humanitarian assistance only, and their orders would include not firing on armed Americans and using their own firearms only to defend women and children, having already experienced losses themselves for interfering with summary executions of male Obama supporters. Within the administration, the FBI would be vilified for its failure to understand the totality of American opposition to big government, as exemplified by the Obama administration. University professors would now be targeted for killing, economic collapse would be in full view of the world, the first foreign Soldiers would be on American soil and their dead would already be in the process of repatriation to their respective countries. At the local level, those bureaucrats who had exceeded their authority would also be targeted. Certain states would be sealed-off and its citizens refused access to another state. For example, fleeing Californians could expect to be shot at any eastern border, with their only egress point being Interstate 5 into the western half of Oregon. Since there is no gasoline at this point, the exodus would be on foot. Additionally, the country would be effectively split in half, as Americans from North and South consolidated their hold on the middle of the country in preparation for eastward and westward movement to support the warriors prosecuting the revolt in those areas. The urban areas would be in complete chaos as amoral thugs raped, looted, and burned large sections of the cities. Again, local law enforcement would be so busy with trying to protect people and property that they would not have the resources to put down the revolt. Obama could empty the prisons and attempt to arm any inmate who would support him. The upside to this move is that America would rid itself of a large portion of its prison population as these individuals were gunned-down mercilessly.

The First Six Months

In a last desperate bid to maintain power, Obama would extend peace-feelers to the informal government taking shape across the country. However, with the anarchists dead, the cities burned, local, state, and federal human targets neutralized, and its own inner debate ongoing, the revolutionists would only repeat its demand that Obama surrender himself and any remaining members of his administration and congressional representatives in the House and Senate, in order to stand trial. One of the key focal points of the new government would be enacting laws pertaining to those who had prosecuted the administration’s war against the revolution and, unlike the Revolutionary War where Americans held to Christian principles, Obama and his cohorts would face the very real possibility of being tried under new laws resulting from an internal compromise within the revolutionaries to dispense with the very protections Obama and Congress attempted to strip from Americans. In essence, those who had engaged in Washington’s “status quo” could expect no quarter.

The First Year

By this point, the Americans who had participated in the war would be working alongside local law enforcement and National Guard troops to maintain order, repair infrastructure, ensure logistical hubs were operating unfettered, and prosecuting war criminals on both sides of the conflict — including Obama, his cronies, and the current crop of Congressman and Senators. A new government would be in place and the borders with Mexico and Canada would be sealed completely, with illegal entry met with deadly force. Ports along the Gulf Coast would be receiving oil and supplies, debt repayment to the Chinese and Japanese would be in the process of negotiation, the assets of those who opposed the revolution would have been seized and being used to pay survival wages to those engaged in reconstruction efforts, communication infrastructure would be restored, and special tribunals would be enacted to determine the mainstream media’s complicity in triggering the war.

The Next Five Years

In the aftermath of the war, there would be unprecedented change. Lobbying would be outlawed, free speech would be curtailed in the aspect that certain political entities would no longer enjoy a right to exist (Communist Party USA, Nazi Party, Socialists, etc.), and all Americans would be forced to live within their economic means. Although suspended for the first five years, mortgage payments would resume, but at the current market value of ones home. In other words, banks and large mortgage entities would suffer catastrophic losses on their initial loans. Second Amendment rights would be near sacrosanct and those who had aided and abetted the administration by manipulating media coverage of Obama and Washington would still be enduring trials — and the courts would have the ability to sentence guilty parties to death for the court’s finding the accused had hidden facts from the American people. Churches would also be released from their current constraint on addressing political issues, but radical America-haters like Jeremiah Wright would be tried for treason. Another change to the country’s laws would include executions being carried out by firing squads and a streamlining of the appellate process. Americans in general would return to a time when being a neighbor and helping one another was more important than receiving government largesse. America’s “elitists” would be marginalized or dead (Hollywood, professors, career politicians, etc.), and inner-city youth would be working on public projects for food and shelter, with misbehavior or criminal activity met with summary execution. All “guilty” findings for rape and looting would result in execution, and prisons would house only those currently serving sentences, awaiting trial, or sentenced under a new War Crimes Act. Death Row would be abolished and those that had been awaiting execution would be shot.

Six Years and Beyond

By this point, the dead are buried (approximately 50-70 million), full foreign trade is restored, and true “warriors” command the country’s Title 10 forces. Farms are in the hands of individuals, the free market is established with new regulations, and the people are represented by non-career Congressman and Senators who willingly answer to the people. Those who participated in the revolution have returned home to their families and are re-building their lives, while local law enforcement maintains order. Governors are the backbone of the country’s interstate agreements and the non-essential elements of federal bureaucracy are dismantled (e.g., Department of Education, etc.). The axiom “all politics is local” takes on a new meaning in the country, and Americans actually feel empowered to participate in collective decision making and working with their representatives in D.C. Although the nightmare is far from over (it will take at least another two generations), real hope is restored and people are once again proud of their country and being known as an “American.” Despite the unfortunate sub-war that broke out along racial lines during the revolution, racial tensions are at the lowest they have ever been, because the race-baiters and welfare-pimps are all dead or awaiting execution, and Americans have been universally forced to rebuild alongside their neighbor, regardless of race. Foreign governments that aided and abetted Obama during the war are slowly re-entering normalized relations with the US, and those countries that sent troops to support Obama under the UN mandate had their assets seized to pay for reconstruction, including merchant ships, aircraft, and weapons. Totalitarian regimes around the world are labeled as such by the new American government, and immigration laws are changed to prevent known enemies from attending American universities or entering the country. As a further amendment to Freedom of Religion, those religious entities that refuse to abide by the Constitution and foment sub-cultures and lobby for “religious law” are banned, their assets seized, and said assets distributed to Americans for the “general welfare” — regardless of the recipient’s religious beliefs or lack thereof.

Conclusion

Far fetched? It couldn’t happen here? Maybe and maybe not. However, it would behoove all of America’s “political class” to recognize that an armed citizenry is not to be trifled with or ignored. So, Washington, what is it? Are you in or out?

 

Not my fault if you don't find that compelling, bub.

 

Edited August 8, 2016 by Predicto

[Mr. Sinister]

My head...

[Larry]

I think that the key, here, is that the militia loon (like a great many loons, I suspect), think that there's a huge majority of the American people who agree with them, and are simply awaiting their bold, courageous, leadership, before they will rally to their Noble Cause. 

(In short, they're delusional about that, too.) 

 

[dfitzo53]

1 hour ago, Predicto said:

Certain states would be sealed-off and its citizens refused access to another state. For example, fleeing Californians could expect to be shot at any eastern border

[mistertim]

I think I just lost 10 IQ points by reading that post, Predicto

[Destino]

That reads like badly written young adult fiction.  The kind where a few plucky teenagers can overthrow a government because they care about each other and try really hard.  

[Predicto]

20 minutes ago, Destino said:

That reads like badly written young adult fiction.  The kind where a few plucky teenagers can overthrow a government because they care about each other and try really hard.  

 

It's serious political analysis.   You libs don't want to hear the truth.

[Dan T.]

 

20 minutes ago, Destino said:

That reads like badly written young adult fiction.  The kind where a few plucky teenagers can overthrow a government because they care about each other and try really hard.  

 

The true believers reading that would have finished their furious masturbation by the third paragraph.

[TheGreatBuzz]

Please don't take this as me supporting or even remotely agreeing with that.  But I would not be surprised to at least see large scale civil unrest come november.  And with EVERYONE so divided, it's hard to say how much support certain government agencies would provided at the lower levels to put down the violence.  Basically, a few weeks of large scattered riots wouldn't surprise me before people realize it's stupid.  Come election time, I will make sure I have my pantry full and my gas tanks filled, etc.  Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

[BornaSkinsFan83]

Where would they riot though? 

[TheGreatBuzz]

All over?  I don't think I get your question.  Are you asking for what specific towns it would happen in?

[The 12th Commandment]

I think his point was they'd be rioting and offering up discouraging words where the deer and the antelope play.  I.E. no fun rioting in the country.

[BornaSkinsFan83]

I mean the setting. Isn't a riot largely an urban thing? And again, I don't mean race but the actual setting. Trump supporters are almost entirely rural or suburban no? So what exactly are they going to riot on? Mountaineer style and burn a bunch of couches? 

[TheGreatBuzz]

Gotcha.  Not sure that is true though.  Where I live isn't a major city like LA but big enough and lots of Trumpers here.  And they are stupid so.......

[Predicto]

44 minutes ago, BornaSkinsFan83 said:

Where would they riot though? 

 

Well the'll be rioting in Boston
Pittsburgh, Pa.
Deep in the heart of Texas
And round the 'Frisco Bay
Way out in St.Louis
Way down in New Orleans

[Mr. Sinister]

48 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

 And with EVERYONE so divided...

On what, exactly?

All I see who could be a threat, are the delusional moron hardcore Forever Trumpers, while everyone else (that is sane, or not crazy or ballsy enough to fight for their right to party) lives in the real world.

 

I could def see violence in several areas, not some ridiculous John Carpenter level uprising.

 

I think you  overestimate how many nutbags like these are out there. One person can do a lot, but in terms of election results, I don't predict much other than maybe small amounts of localized rioting, and fights at the polls.

 

 

Im sure these poor ****s were banking over the same thing (the end of the world) when they bravely took over an empty wildlife refuge.... Then they saw that their belief wasn't as widespread as they thought, and either went home (smart), went to jail (dumb), or got themselves killed (retarded).

..............

 

If there was a way to  minimize civilian casualties, and keep these morons from using loved ones as shields or some other wacked out methods that put their families in danger, I'd support more of these exercises so we can give these goofs some lockup/education (because anyone who believes this crap clearly didn't get any) or Darwinian unnatural selection.

[TheGreatBuzz]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

On what, exactly?

All I see who could be a threat, are the delusional moron hardcore Forever Trumpers, while everyone else (that is sane, or not crazy or ballsy enough to fight for their right to party) lives in the real world.

 

I could def see violence in several areas, not some ridiculous John Carpenter level uprising.

 

I think you  overestimate how many nutbags like these are out there.

I would believe this if Donald ****ing Trump wasn't the leader of a national political party.

[Mr. Sinister]

15 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

I would believe this if Donald ****ing Trump wasn't the leader of a national political party.

I do admit that the dark part of me does want to see this, if for nothing than how FoxNews would try and cover it.

 

But I still think it won't be much. No  true revolutionary mantra can exist unless the majority are willing to die for it, without hesitation.

These fools will talk till they 're blue in the face about standing up for whats "right" and "just," but anybody can "Like" some dumb message and find a bunch of morons who believe in their dumb cause on the internet, and form a small echo chamber. Its an entirely different thing to face down the United States government, gun to gun, prepared to die (or knowing you WILL die). Thats what truly sparks a revolution, besides having enough people to believe in your cause. They have neither. Just a bunch of sad people who watched Braveheart one too many times.

 

 

[TheGreatBuzz]

Again I'm not talking civil war, just riots.  Now if we started mass killing rioters in the street, we'll that's another conversation. But not a realistic one so I won't bother. 

[Larry]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

I do admit that the dark part of me does want to see this, if for nothing than how FoxNews would try and cover it.

 

 

Hillary: The most divisive President ever. 

[Mr. Sinister]

21 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Again I'm not talking civil war, just riots.  

Well using your scenario, you can't have one without the other (at least going by the optics), unless the instigators aren't as dangerous as you think (you seem to think they are, I say they're not)

 

Weeks of large scale rioting (on the part of the Trump Brigade) is, at some point, going to lead to them and their gunz, in close proximity with Uncle Sam trained killers and their gunz. And like I said, you'd have to have the heart of a true revolutionary to go beyond that threshold (I call bu****, I think you don't)

Many of these people are just looking for an excuse to use their high powered assult rifle. And if they're crazy enough, it won't end well.

Edited August 9, 2016 by Mr. Sinister

[BornaSkinsFan83]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

These fools will talk till they 're blue in the face about standing up for whats "right" and "just," but anybody can "Like" some dumb message and find a bunch of morons who believe in their dumb cause on the internet, and form a small echo chamber. Its an entirely different thing to face down the United States government, gun to gun, prepared to die (or knowing you WILL die). Thats what truly sparks a revolution, besides having enough people to believe in your cause. They have neither. Just a bunch of sad people who watched Braveheart one too many times.

 

 

 

 

Just go back to the beginning of this thread for that. Exact same thing. They thought they would spark an uprising because of internet posts and all they got was a bunch of dildos.

[Larry]

7 minutes ago, BornaSkinsFan83 said:

 

Just go back to the beginning of this thread for that. Exact same thing. They thought they would spark an uprising because of internet posts and all they got was a bunch of dildos.

Well, dildos are for people experiencing uprising dysfunction. 

Or so I've heard. 

Edited August 9, 2016 by Larry

[TheGreatBuzz]

@Mr. Sinister. We can agree to disagree on how it will play out.  Neither of us really know.  But I look at the riots in places like Baltimore and think the government will give much leeway before shooting people in the streets.