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As best as I can tell, the movie American Sniper is being turned into a hate film by the liberal media

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Springfield

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I was finally able to get out of the house and watch American Sniper last night with the wife. It was an incredibly moving film. Loved Eastwood's direction and I thought Cooper played the role wonderfully. It portrayed the dangers of war and the Devils that haunt combat veterans very well. You get an incredible since that he was a truly haunted man.

American Sniper was an excellent film and I didn't find it to be a piece of American propaganda and even to the contrary at times. Michael Moore, as usual, missed the mark and Seth Rogen is just a stoner comedian making stoner comedian observations.

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J. Ventura joins the lefty media

 

 

 

Jesse Ventura Vents More ‘American Sniper’ Criticism By Comparing US to Nazis, Communists: ‘We Behave the Same Way Now’

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/jesse-ventura-vents-more-%E2%80%98american-sniper%E2%80%99-criticism-by-comparing-us-to-nazis-communists-%E2%80%98we-behave-the-same-way-now%E2%80%99/ar-AA8YBVU

 

Ventura, a former U.S. Navy SEAL and professional wrestler, called into to Alan Colmes' Fox News Radio show on Tuesday to explain his criticism of Chris Kyle -- the real-life subject ofClint Eastwood's record-breaking Iraq War drama starring Bradley Cooper -- and ended up making a much bigger statement about the United States.

 

"A hero is not how many people you've killed. He was obviously a great sniper. He was obviously a great shot. He obviously did his job correctly," Ventura said. "Let me fire this one at you. Do you think the Nazis had heroes?"

 

"When they invaded a country, when they invaded Poland, when they invaded France, and if a Nazi soldier killed a hundred people that had lived there, would he be classified a hero in Germany?" Ventura asked Colmes.

 

Ventura previously stated he had no interest in seeing "American Sniper" and called Kyle an "a liar" with no honor, due to Kyle alleging in his memoir that he punched Ventura in the face at a bar in 2006 after Ventura said the SEALs "deserve to lose a few" in Iraq. The former politician filed a defamation lawsuit against Kyle's estate and won $1.8 million last year.

 

Ventura's latest comments on "American Sniper," however, went beyond Kyle's actions, as he questioned the entire Iraq War.

 

"What I'm stating is we invaded Iraq, we were not asked in," Ventura said.

 

"We invaded a country, we overthrew its government, and then we killed people that lived there."

 

"Are we analogous to the Nazis?" Colmes asked Ventura.

 

"Well, and the Communists, yeah. We behave the same way now," Ventura said. "I said this before, I said, 'That's how George Bush killed my American dream.' I never believed that my country would line our military up at the border of another sovereign nation, invade that country, overthrow its government, occupy them without being asked. We invaded, and all on lies."

 

 

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It's an emotional thing. I've seen lots of people on the Tailgate call suicide bombers "cowards."

IMO, they are murderous and misguided and full of hate, but the one thing suicide bombers aren't is cowards. But people say it all the time.

Not cowards because they are willing to risk their lives for a cause they believe in but...

Cowards because they attack unarmed innocent civilians. They'd be less cowardly if they strap a bomb to their ass and fling themselves in a crowd of soldiers (and yes I realize that would be hard to do).

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Not cowards because they are willing to risk their lives for a cause they believe in but...

Cowards because they attack unarmed innocent civilians. They'd be less cowardly if they strap a bomb to their ass and fling themselves in a crowd of soldiers (and yes I realize that would be hard to do).

 

And yet, I recall. 

 

Long ago, during a lot of the debate, post-9/11, and war on terror and things like that, I posted a poll, in Tailgate, asking people "What is Terrorism?"  And my poll had like 10 scenarios, and allowed people to vore for each of them as to whether that was or wasn't terrorism. 

 

And I intentionally tried to pick things that I thought were close to the line.  I didn't ask whether 9/11 was terrorism.  I tried to pick things that were debatable.  But I also made all of them real-world scenarios, because the context of an act is a factor in determine whether it's terrorism or not.  But I also tried to make them debatable.  As I recall, two of the choices were "blowing up an empty abortion clinic" and "blowing up an occupied abortion clinic". 

 

I was rather surprised.  I don't think a single one of my examples got a 75% vote saying it was terrorism.  (And I felt sure that some of them would get near-unanimous agreement.) 

 

There was no real clear consensus, among Tailgate, as to whether any of the events I picked were terrorism. 

 

But, one of the scenarios that did get a vote of more than 50% "Terrorism".  In fact, I think it was the one that had a bigger consensus than any of the ones I picked was "A suicide bomber detonates a car bomb at a military checkpoint." 

 

Out of all the scenarios I picked, the one that more Tailgaters agreed "this is terrorism", more than any others, was the one scenario where the target was soldiers, on duty, in a combat zone. 

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Incredibly stupid last paragraph.  With that said, I did think all of the businesses helping out was very cool (and props to Jerry Jones and the Dallas organization as well)

 

A true story about Chris Kyle, the greatest sniper in the US military.  A movie was made about him (American Sniper, directed by Clint Eastwood), and this is the story of his honor and funeral.
 
A TEXAS GOODBYE
 
This is why America will remain strong.  We take care of our own as well as others who may not deserve taking care of. I just wanted to share with you all that out of a horrible tragedy we were blessed by so many people.
 
Chris Kyle was Derek's teammate through 10 years of training and battle.  They both suffer/suffered from PTSD to some extent and took great care of each other because of it. 
 
2006 in Ramadi was horrible for young men that never had any more aggressive physical contact with another human than on a Texas football field. 
 
They lost many friends.  Chris became the armed services number #1 sniper of all time.  Not something he was happy about, other than the fact that in so doing, he saved a lot of American lives. 
 
Three years ago, his wife Taya asked him to leave the SEAL teams, as he had a huge bounty on his head by Al Qaeda. He did and wrote the book "The American Sniper."  100% of the proceeds from the book went to two of the SEAL families who had lost their sons in Iraq.
 
That was the kind of guy Chris was.  He formed a company in Dallas to train military, police, and I think firemen as far as protecting themselves in difficult situations.  He also formed a foundation to work with military people suffering from PTSD.  Chris was a giver not a taker.
 
He, along with a friend and neighbor, Chad Littlefield, were murdered trying to help a young man that had served six months in Iraq and claimed to have PTSD. 
 
Now I need to tell you about the funeral.
 
Southwest Airlines flew in any SEAL and their family from any airport they flew into ...free of charge.
 The employees donated buddy passes, and one lady worked for four days without much of a break to see that it happened.
 
Volunteers were at both airports in Dallas to drive them to the hotel.
 
The Marriott Hotel reduced their rates to $45 a night and cleared the hotel for only SEALs and family.
 
The Midlothian, TX Police Department paid the other $45 a night for each room.  I would guess there were about 200 people staying at the hotel, 100 of them were SEALs.  Two large buses were chartered (an unknown donor paid the bill) to transport people to the different events, and they also had a few rental cars (donated).  The police and secret service were on duty around the clock during our stay at the hotel.
 
At the Kyle house, the Texas DPS parked a large motor home in front, to block the view from reporters. It remained there the entire five days for the SEALs to congregate in and all to use the restroom so as not to have to go in the house.  Taya, their two small children and both sets of parents were staying in the home.
 
Only a hand full of SEALs at a time went into the home, as they had different duties, and meetings were held sometimes on a hourly basis.  It was a huge coordination of many different events and security.  Derek was assigned to be a Pall Bearer, to escort Chris' body when it was transferred from the Midlothian Funeral Home to the Arlington Funeral Home, and to be with Taya.  A tough job.
 
Taya seldom came out of her bedroom.  The house was full with people from the church and other family members that would come each day to help.  I spent one morning in a bedroom with Chris’ mom and the next morning with Chad Littlefield's parents.  A tough job.
 
George W Bush and his wife Laura met and talked to everyone on the Seal Team, one on one.  They went behind  closed doors with Taya for quite a while.  They had prayer with us all.  You can tell when people are sincere and caring.
 
Nolan Ryan sent his cooking team, a huge grill, and lots of steaks, chicken and hamburgers.  They set up in the front yard and fed people all day long including the 200 SEALs and their families.  The next day a local BBQ restaurant set up a buffet in front of the house and fed all once again.  Food was plentiful and all were taken care of.  The family's church kept those inside the house well fed.
 
Jerry Jones, the man everyone loves to hate, was as solid as a rock.  He made sure that we all were taken care of.  His wife and he were just making sure everyone was taken care of….Class... He donated the use of Cowboy Stadium for the services, as it was determined that so many wanted to attend. 
 
The charter buses transported us to the stadium on Monday at 10:30 am.  Every car, bus, motorcycle was searched with bomb dogs and police.  I am not sure if kooks were making threats, trying to make a name for themselves, or if so many SEALs in one place was a security risk, I don't know.  We  willingly obliged.  No purses went into the stadium!
 
We were taken to The Legends room high up, and a large buffet was available.  That was for about 300 people.  We were growing.
 
A Medal of Honor recipient was there, lots of secret service and police, and Sarah Palin and her husband.
 
The service started at 1:00 pm, and when we were escorted onto the field I was shocked.  We heard that about 10,000 people had come to attend.  They were seated in the stadium seats behind us. It was a beautiful and emotional service.
 
The Bagpipe and drum corps were wonderful, and the Texas A&M men's choir stood through the entire service and sang right at the end.  We were all in  tears.
 
The next day was the 200-mile procession from Midlothian, TX to Austin for burial.  It was a cold, drizzly, windy day, but the people came out.  We had dozens of police motorcycles riders, freedom riders, five chartered buses, and lots of cars.  You had to have a pass to be in the procession, and still it was huge.  Two helicopters circled the procession with snipers sitting out the side door for protection. It was the longest funeral procession ever in the state of Texas.  People were everywhere. The entire route was shut down ahead of us; the people were lined up on the side of the road the entire way.  Firemen were down on one knee, police officers were holding their hats over their hearts, children waving flags, veterans saluting as we went by.  Every bridge had fire trucks with large flags displayed from their tall ladders, people all along the entire 200 miles were standing in the cold weather.  It was so heartwarming. Taya rode in the hearse with Chris' body, so Derek rode the route with us.  I was so grateful to have that time with him.
 
The service was at Texas National Cemetery. Very few are buried there, and you have to apply to get in. It is like people from the Civil War, Medal of Honor winners, a few from the Alamo, and all the historical people of Texas.  It was a nice service, and the Freedom Riders surrounded the outside of the entire cemetery to keep the crazy church people from Kansas (that protest at military funerals) away from us. 
 
Each SEAL put his Trident (metal SEAL badge) on the top of Chris' casket, one at a time.  A lot hit it in with one blow.  Derek was the only one to take four taps to put his in; it was almost like he was caressing it as he did it.  Another tearful moment.
 
After the service Governor Rick Perry and his wife, Anita, invited us to the governor's mansion.  She stood at the door,  greeted each of us individually, and gave each of the SEALs a coin of  Texas.  She was a sincere, compassionate, and gracious hostess.
 
We were able to tour the ground floor, and then went into the garden for beverages and BBQ.  So many of the Seal team guys said that after they get out they are moving to Texas.  They remarked that they had never felt so much love and hospitality.  The charter buses then took the guys to the airport to catch their returning  flights.  Derek just now called, and after a 20 hour flight he is back in his spot, in a dangerous land on the other side of the world, protecting America.                    
 
We just wanted to share with you the events of a quite emotional, but blessed week.
 
Punch-line:
 
To this day, no one in the White House has ever acknowledged Chris Kyle.
 
However, the President can call some sport person and congratulate him on announcing to the world that he is gay?  What is happening to our
society, our honor and our  pride??
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Have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the movie as a movie (liked the Imitation Game much better, and somewhat better even as a war movie) and it was more than easy for me to block the (often dumb IMO) noise on all sides and view it as a movie drama that was respectfully based on a real person and real events, yet was not offered as a comprehensive historical documentary.

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Max Blumenthal: ‘American Sniper’ Chris Kyle was just a popular mass murderer

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/26/max-blumenthal-america-sniper-chris-kyle-was-just-a-famous-mass-murderer/

Filmmaker: ‘Neocon Fantasy’ American Sniper Gets People ‘Cheering’ for More War

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/filmmaker-neocon-fantasy-american-sniper-gets-people-cheering-for-more-war/

Howard Dean Trashes ‘American Sniper’ Viewers, Gary Sinise Fires Back

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/01/27/howard-dean-trashes-american-sniper-viewers-gary-sinise-fires-back/

NBC Reporter Says American Sniper Chris Kyle Was A Racist On ‘Killing Sprees’ In Middle East

http://www.redstate.com/2015/01/29/nbc-reporter-says-american-sniper-chris-kyle-racist-killing-sprees-middle-east/

Real ‘American Sniper’ was a hate-filled killer — why are simplistic patriots treating him as a hero?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/chris-kyle-american-sniper-was-a-hate-filled-killer-why-are-simplistic-patriots-treating-him-as-a-hero/

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Makes me wonder what would be written about Audie Murphy or John Basilone today.

 

 

It was a simpler time vis a vis our understanding of good and evil.  

 

I found the Economist's review of American Sniper to be interesting.  The Economist is generally very supportive of the USA and of our military.  They said:

 

"American Sniper” celebrates regret-free heroism. Small wonder critics hate it—and half of America loves it

 

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One reason why “American Sniper” has caused such a kerfuffle is that its main character, Chris Kyle, is such an unusual Hollywood type. Film convention dictates that villains are charismatic, heroes troubled, misfits celebrated and so on. Kyle’s character is a hero with no flaws, a good man who kills without regret. At one point in the film a psychologist tries to pry into his memories, rummaging around in search of guilt. Kyle replies that his only regret is that he did not use his rangefinder and rifle to protect more marines.
 
Characters this reluctant to examine themselves are usually either mocked or brought low. Not Kyle. His wife threatens to leave with the children if he goes back for another tour in Iraq. When he chooses duty she sticks around anyway. He never shoots an innocent—even a mother-and-boy team of grenade-throwers get the bullets they deserve. After he shoots his arch-enemy, a Syrian sniper, with a bullet that travels in slow motion, Kyle comes home for good, wrestles with something like shell-shock and beats it in around ten minutes of screen time. The viewer spends two hours expecting nemesis to visit at any moment, and then the credits roll.
 
Throughout the film the insurgents get the sort of character development afforded to Nazi soldiers in a second-world-war romp. Kyle and his buddies refer to them as “savages”, and there is no hint from the director that they might be anything else.
 
This is key to the film’s appeal: it is Iraq minus the bad bits, a celebration of heroism, skill and the bond between comrades. Such themes delight the half of the nation that Hollywood habitually ignores. When a director reaches out to conservatives, as Mel Gibson did with “The Passion of the Christ”, they open their wallets.
 
The real Chris Kyle, a navy SEAL who wrote an autobiography, took more pleasure in the killing than his on-screen character does. “I’m not lying or exaggerating to say it was fun,” he wrote. A more faithful film would have been more unsettling and probably less popular.
 
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It is a good graphic (and I agree with the major's critique of it), and another reminder to me of the myriad ways we humans find to have some truly crippled and malformed thinking and label it "good stuff." 

 

What we lionize.

 

What we hold in contempt.

 

So arbitrary, hypocritical, irrational, and self-serving so much of the time.

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So to the whole "these people are pooping on this movie for political reasons" i say this.

Did you like the movie?

Yes?

then good. Be strong enough to have enjoyed it for whatever reason you did, and also be strong enough to not cry and whine about what other people say about it. If film is art, and it is, OF COURSE people will have different opinions about it.

In other words: Grow up and have your own opinions and quit worrying about it.

Everything is a fight anymore.

Oh no! Some liberals said bad things about the movie!

But i liked it, so whatever.

Even if you're the ONLY person who sees it and it flops badly,, did you like it?

(and as is quite obvious, it did not flop, it's up for Oscar, and it's gotten about every rave it could get.. except by these people over here, and so let's focus on that because we simply haven't got the maturity to ignore it and recognize the movie for the success it has had (on MERIT, not politics.), and most importantly, if YOU liked it.

~Bang

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