SWFLSkins Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Violate child labor laws and put 'em to work in the damn coat factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick7423 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 people called native Americans savages all the time. How is Redskin worse than that? Really? In what circles do you travel? I hear that in movies... not in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearfeather Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Really? In what circles do you travel? I hear that in movies... not in real life. Going in the wrong direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Really? In what circles do you travel? I hear that in movies... not in real life. I said callED, past tense. Redskins shouldn't have been the biggest insult to Native Americans, because they already had a biggest insult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseGoForTheWin Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I recently came across an article on the Cleveland Indians' name and how much is has to do with actually honoring a Native American player. It's full of quotes from the early 20th century that most definitely stereotype Native Americans and associate terms like savage with them. Regardless of where you stand on this issue, if you're interested in it you might check out the article. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/18/the-cleveland-indians-louis-sockalexis-and-the-name/ Really? In what circles do you travel? I hear that in movies... not in real life. I said callED, past tense. Redskins shouldn't have been the biggest insult to Native Americans, because they already had a biggest insult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 It's more and more evident that the driving force behind the media coverage has nothing to do with the name, who is offended and who isn't, or any kind of compassion for Native Americans. It has everything to do with an intense hatred of Dan Snyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 OK, a little something to ponder. The so-called Native American councils, tribes, etc, could be properly labeled hypocrites. The name 'American' came way after the introduction of indians, so why would they adopt a name from the white people who invaded their land, which BTW is actually Italian! Now, i'm not trying to badger the indian tribes or their people, but from the time the brits colonized this land, both sides have learned and adopted different things from each other. In modern times, the name 'Native American' has been improperly used, because they're technically not 'americans'. And just to throw a bone to the pit bulls, Jerry Jones should be equally involved with helping indian tribes and their people; cowboys and indians was the old west, the most bitter of enemies, and logic would say that the word 'cowboy' would at least be equally offensive being they brought death, pain, suffering, imprisonment, etc, to indians, so why no uproar over the name cowboys? Mr. Snyder has pulled out a wild card in this poker game brought on by those who claim the name offensive, by extending himself to helping the very people imaged onto the helmets, and help, regardless of where it comes from, is a good thing, used properly. Dispersement of the help/aid is the key; Mr. Snyder has found a clever way to circumvent the administrative aspect of it, by addressing the very people its intended for, but eventually corruption will ultimately infest the good deeds attempted, which will put the whole ordeal right back to 1st base. But for the time the help actually reaches its destination, it should come with a message about indians adopting modern day habits of the white man, because I do not believe indians came up with LSD, PCP, or other illicit drugs which plague some of the indian people. But then again, words can only go so far... SIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 We have indeed all learned from one another. Frankly, i like when my doctor takes some mescaline and goes off into the spirit world to decide what will help me get over my sinus infection.But i will admit telling me it will get better if I camp on top of a mesa for nine days without food gets old. He could just give me some antibiotics.Besides, do you know how hard it is to find a mesa in Maryland? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poman Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 We have indeed all learned from one another. Frankly, i like when my doctor takes some mescaline and goes off into the spirit world to decide what will help me get over my sinus infection. But i will admit telling me it will get better if I camp on top of a mesa for nine days without food gets old. He could just give me some antibiotics. Besides, do you know how hard it is to find a mesa in Maryland? ~Bang On a serious note, great move by Mr. Snyder and the Redskins. There will always be people complaining about the name, but the good this foundation can potentially do will far outweigh the perceived negative impact of the name. Most of the good the WROAF does will probably fly under the radar, while every idiot with a gripe about our name will get national headlines, but it will make a world of a difference to those in need. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On a serious note, great move by Mr. Snyder and the Redskins. There will always be people complaining about the name, but the good this foundation can potentially do will far outweigh the perceived negative impact of the name. Most of the good the WROAF does will probably fly under the radar, while every idiot with a gripe about our name will get national headlines, but it will make a world of a difference to those in need. Hail. That's one of the things a lot of critics don't understand, at all: if this was little more than a PR stunt, where the hell is all the positive PR? lol ...There is no way in the world the officials in the Skins organization all thought they'd be getting pats on the back in the media after announcing the formation of OAF. No, it's a million times more likely that they damn well knew they'd get blasted by critics and professional cynics. No, they most likely viewed this foundation in a "big picture" kind of way...they are focusing on years and decades down the road, not the superficiality of instant soundbites and moronic comments thrown all over twitter. No other Redskins owner has ever started a charitable foundation of this magnitude the for NA community, and yet Snyder is getting bashed for doing so as if he himself named the team. "Snyder should have done this sooner"...No, the Redskins should have done this sooner, not Snyder. Because say what you will about Snyder...but when it comes to charitable ventures the man does not **** around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 That's one of the things a lot of critics don't understand, at all: if this was little more than a PR stunt, where the hell is all the positive PR? lol ...There is no way in the world the officials in the Skins organization all thought they'd be getting pats on the back in the media after announcing the formation of OAF. No, it's a million times more likely that they damn well knew they'd get blasted by critics and professional cynics.I'm not so sure. Our PR department is pretty incompetent. I love the foundation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section106 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 It's more and more evident that the driving force behind the media coverage has nothing to do with the name, who is offended and who isn't, or any kind of compassion for Native Americans. It has everything to do with an intense hatred of Dan Snyder. This. The critics, some of whom are serious journos, can't be bothered to even ask the foundation for a quote or a rebuttal. It's just hate for Snyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I'm not so sure. Our PR department is pretty incompetent. I love the foundation though. If they are that incompetent they never would have come up with the foundation to begin with, nonetheless orchestrated its successful launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 If they are that incompetent they never would have come up with the foundation to begin with, nonetheless orchestrated its successful launch. Their ratio of good decisions to bad is somewhere around 1 : 20 since Snyder has been owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Matthew chapter 6 vs 2-4. Glad folks are getting help though. And I'm glad UnWise Mike has something to write about again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I actually like the term original Americans better than Native Americans since they crossed the Berring Straights and were migrants just like the rest of us, but were the original setlers. Overall, a good act. Was it done with some desire to shut up the controversy. I suspect it was, but I suspect most of those whining haven't put their two cents in despite loving to give their two cents. Words are reinvented all the time. It's not really for me to say if "Redskins" is offensive to someone else. I believe it was offensive at one time, but I think in the context of football it is not (last season's play notwithstanding) the term means something else. Being clumsy, I kind of liken it to someone talking about a bomb in an airport versus a bomb on the football field. One is very dangerous while the other can be very good. Likewise, the term Redskins might be offensive, but also might not be. The fact that most of the polls suggest its not to the original Americans carries the most weight with me. Back to the foundation, this has the potential to do real good for a people who continue to be marginalized and need support. How can that be a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Burgold, I look at it as an opportunity to better the indian heritage and overall well being. But on the same page, the actual culture of tribes shouldn't involve cars, internet, drugs, or any other things which come with the modern society. There is a line crossed when tribes venture into modern society and become involved with it that they begin suffering the same plights as the white man [ generalizing ]. I'm trying my best NOT to stereotype, and I keep flashing back to the movie 'Maverick' with Mel Gibson [ pretty good movie actually ] where his buddy says ' the days are gone of holding our hands up saying 'how', but it can be difficult, if not impossible, to evolve as a people without adopting/picking up habits, good or bad. If I peeked inside your window and saw you were giving your child a spanking, it wouldn't be my business to tell you how to live your life or conduct yourself in the confines of your own home; so, with natives, their involvement and issues with, for example, drugs, although sad, was an affliction brought on by their involvement in modern society; poverty has no racial preference, but I never knew that natives had a social platform based and measured against modern society. Still, Mr. Snyder stepped up to the plate, knocked it out of the park, and there will be those who cheer it and those who will boo. Just can't please everyone every time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wow Harry Reid is a dick: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10684223/senator-harry-m-reid-says-washington-redskins-foundation-not-quell-controversy-nickname "We have Native Americans who now are not all poor," Reid said. "We've got these Indian gaming establishments who have money, who are going to help with this. And Dan Snyder's not the only person in the world with money." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 It's sad how quick people are to attack the Foundation. Do they realize that they will be cutting off their nose to spite their face on the issue of helping Native Americans? I mean, if we did cave, then what purpose is there for the foundation to exist? It folds, and people go back to starving and dying on reservations. Do they expect the foundation to persist after the name changes? For perfect altruism? I sometimes feel like the PC crowd is actually secretly conspiring to eradicate Native American culture from the Earth, by getting it out of the public eye entirely, and then just letting the culture die off in poverty on reservations within a few generations. I mean, they're not, they're not that clever, but frankly that is the probable end result. Take the Redskin's actions away from the Lakota, and does their language survive another generation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Washington Redskins Original Nations Group? (W.R.O.N.G.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Matthew chapter 6 vs 2-4. Hey! No politics or religion in the stadium! ~~Book of Jumbo~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wow Harry Reid is a dick: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10684223/senator-harry-m-reid-says-washington-redskins-foundation-not-quell-controversy-nickname Careful dude. I don't like Reid either but let's save this for the Tailgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Careful dude. I don't like Reid either but let's save this for the Tailgate. No, he is a Dick for comments like this: "He's going to throw a few blankets to the Indians and get a tax deduction for it," Reid told the Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Oh dear: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ceo-of-new-washington-redskins-foundation-connected-to-defective-federal-contract/2014/03/28/382142b4-b678-11e3-a7c6-70cf2db17781_story.html The man leading a Washington Redskins foundation aimed at helping Native Americans is also the head of organization that was the subject of a federal investigation into a “defective contract” that cost the Bureau of Indian Affairs nearly $1 million. Gary L. Edwards is the chief executive of the National Native American Law Enforcement Association, which won a contract in 2009 with the Bureau that called for recruiting Native Americans to work in law enforcement in Indian country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Careful dude. I don't like Reid either but let's save this for the Tailgate. No, he is a Dick for comments like this: "He's going to throw a few blankets to the Indians and get a tax deduction for it," Reid told the Post. I had contemplated putting it in the tailgate--but this had everything to do with this thread. Whatever your (the collective 'your,' I am not addressing anyone in particular) personal politics aside--anyone who basically decries a charity--whatever the motivations behind it are--by basically saying "They have tons of money now, we gave them Casinos!" deserves to be called on the carpet. It further goes to show who is concerned about the welfare of Native Americans (you know, clearly the driving force behind the name debate ) and who is concerned with getting their name in print and/or bash Dan Snyder. Harry Reid should be ashamed of his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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