RandyHolt Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Carlos needed glasses, and Laron was not used to his strengths. They both went to pro bowls immediately after leaving here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 Except they both sucked. Have you forgotten how many game changing interceptions old stone hands flat out dropped?!! And LL, what a freaking joke. He couldn't stay on the field and when he was he was good for one big hit a game and was getting toasted or run over the rest of the time. Those two guys are almost as bad an example as Haynesworth and Mcnabb. haha, okay man. You continue to believe those guys are worse than what the Skins currently have in the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 That was a great article. That article was filled with every cheap-shot imaginable towards this organization and fan base. It is riddled with hyperbole and speculations with zero facts. It was pointed out last night on CBSSports that the notion that Shanny had cleaned out his office before the Seattle game was PROVEN absolutely false by multiple sources. Do you think a head coach could really clean out their office and no one, the owner, the players, the assistants, etc. not know about it? This is all crap. This is media BS that is being spewed by the same idiots that have been spewing any nonsense they could think of about this team for years, knowing that some fans will believe anything when they are pissed about losing and an article, regardless of how ridicules it is, supports the fans’ mob-mentality. Not one single shred of evidence, fact, proof, has been presented to state that this story has any legs. And, the idea that a HC would leave his franchise QB in a guy to intentionally ruin that player’s career is beyond asinine. Period! I’m sick of people believing every single half-assed written article that fits their agenda. We have posters battling over the truth about RGIII articles, Shanny articles, now Snyder articles, Name articles, blah, blah, blah. Most of these articles offer nothing substantial, just speculation, but people eat them up if they come close to their view-point or agenda. Can we stop acting like Sheep? There are enough animals in this circus as there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 He hasn't worked out but he can't even admit it like a man. He knows perfectly well what he's doing and how much harm what he's saying is gonna have and it's beyond pathetic. It really pisses me off after all the **** we've had to endure with this guy, the trades, the benchings, the banishments, Grossman, Beck....all that **** for him to quit slinging **** around WORSE than any other previous Snyder HC.....it's truly unbelievable. It's not only that the past four years haven't worked, it's now that the past four years have been the typical Snyder disaster and he can somehow be absolved. Sure it is. You'd think a guy with his pedigree wouldn't be so petty, selfish, cowardly, and vindictive. The only thing I wanted from the guy personally was respectability either on or off the field and he's been the worst culprit against both. I feel it more than anything for the non-delusional fans that with the best of intentions actually believed in him and are swayed again by the sense that the franchise is a "circus" and worse than it actually is. The owner gave this guy the reigns, Griffin busted his butt for him on top of being injured and undermined by him. He didn't want to be here when he was a 10-6 division champion with a home playoff game......THAT's who he is? All the other **** aside he couldn't get it up for that? THAT'S HIS ONE SAVING GRACE AS A HEAD COACH HERE IN FOUR YEARS!!!!!!! AND HE DOESN'T WANT IT?!?!?!?!?! Seriously, what. the. ****? Good riddance, you were always full of **** and no matter how much you try now we know better. At least Snyder wants the Redskins to succeed, he doesn't know how to, but he wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 That article was filled with every cheap-shot imaginable towards this organization and fan base. It is riddled with hyperbole and speculations with zero facts. It was pointed out last night on CBSSports that the notion that Shanny had cleaned out his office before the Seattle game was PROVEN absolutely false by multiple sources. Do you think a head coach could really clean out their office and no one, the owner, the players, the assistants, etc. not know about it? This is all crap. This is media BS that is being spewed by the same idiots that have been spewing any nonsense they could think of about this team for years, knowing that some fans will believe anything when they are pissed about losing and an article, regardless of how ridicules it is, supports the fans’ mob-mentality. Not one single shred of evidence, fact, proof, has been presented to state that this story has any legs. And, the idea that a HC would leave his franchise QB in a guy to intentionally ruin that player’s career is beyond asinine. Period! I’m sick of people believing every single half-assed written article that fits their agenda. We have posters battling over the truth about RGIII articles, Shanny articles, now Snyder articles, Name articles, blah, blah, blah. Most of these articles offer nothing substantial, just speculation, but people eat them up if they come close to their view-point or agenda. Can we stop acting like Sheep? There are enough animals in this circus as there is. When Adam Schefter confirms this "clean out the office" report, you know it has legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 When Adam Schefter confirms this "clean out the office" report, you know it has legs. Schefty confirmed there was a report, not that the info in it was all true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 Schefty confirmed there was a report, not that the info in it was all true. Also, did you listen to the post game press conference with Mike? He was asked several times if the story was true, he said he has no comment about "something that happened a year ago." Take that for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Schefty confirmed there was a report, not that the info in it was all true. Shanahan's non-denial speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 This mess is a lot of things, but good isn't one of them. Shanny leaving is no cure-all. I cannot see a scenario where this team is good next season. I can tell you a way that can possibly sway at least a FEW wins our way .. one thing that has been so embarrassingly bad this year but is pretty overlooked (at least at the severity of its impact) ... 1) Bring in a good punter 2) Sign 2-3 special team specialists 3) Sign or draft a true return man People forget how historically bad BOTH sides of special teams are. Opponent's starting field position and our OWN starting field position are last in the NFL ... that would be tough to overcome with a great offense and great defense ... let alone a struggling offense and a terrible defense. Those 3 things are likely "cheap" fixes in the grand scheme of things. Those 3 things can at least make some of these blowouts respectable losses. THEN you focus on rebuilding the defense ... and protecting your QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatankgough Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Never ever would have imagined this debacle in January 2010 Or January 1st 2013. Michael Wilbon called it on Jan 7th 2010 here is the link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/06/AR2010010602367.html Although I wasn't a Shanahan fan when he was hired and am even more not a fan now I do see that Snyder does create a large wake that is more than difficult to overcome. Snyder has done everything Shanahan wanted him to do, build a practice dome, hire a chef for better nutrition for the players, move the training camp to Richmond, hire his son as OC, hire Hasslett as DC, etc... Snyder didn't assemble this OL, didn't hire the coaching staffs, the special teams coach or draw up the X's and O's on the chalk board. It is not uncommon for an owner to be a fan of star players. So what!!! If Shanahan isn't able to confront the owner that has done everything else he wanted him to do, then why wouldn't he not listen to him on this...?? Don't get between me and the players. Why wouldn't RGIII not listen to Shanahan if he had that talk with him?? Your relationship with Dan is detrimental to the team so stop it. Because it never happened, Shanahan is using the well known dislike of Snyder ( deservedly so ) to weasel his way out of being responsible for this miserable failure of a team he has managed into the ground. Bye bye Mike and don't let the door hit you on the way out!!!! Oh, and take Hazmat, Keith Toast and sonny boy with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I can tell you a way that can possibly sway at least a FEW wins our way .. one thing that has been so embarrassingly bad this year but is pretty overlooked (at least at the severity of its impact) ... 1) Bring in a good punter 2) Sign 2-3 special team specialists 3) Sign or draft a true return man People forget how historically bad BOTH sides of special teams are. Opponent's starting field position and our OWN starting field position are last in the NFL ... that would be tough to overcome with a great offense and great defense ... let alone a struggling offense and a terrible defense. Those 3 things are likely "cheap" fixes in the grand scheme of things. Those 3 things can at least make some of these blowouts respectable losses. THEN you focus on rebuilding the defense ... and protecting your QB You hit upon something that is so obvious. If your ST is comprised of 11 guys who are not good enough to be O/D starters, then you are giving up on 10-15 plays a game. If your return man is 4.8 backup TE, then you are starting from the 18-22 yard line every time. If your punter is dead last in the NFL and you don't care, then your opponent starts from 40 yard line every time. Simple fixes could mean a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Wait, so RG3 and Snyder are all buddy-buddy and Shanny doesn't like it...and we're supposed to be mad at Shanny? Whatever, Boz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Shanahan's non-denial speaks volumes. He was even asked yesterday why he stepped up quickly to deny other recent reports like Robert not wanting bad film shown but he won't deny this and he dodged that question too. It is because the story came from him, he wants it to be discussed and he wants to frame the conversation around his departure which is exactly what has happened. All Mike & Mike discussed of this issue this morning was the RG3-Snyder relationship and how that is a problem. The truly sad part is that until he is fired, he will bring as many people down with him as possible and stir more controversy on his way out the door like the comment about not announcing the starting QB next week. The longer he is employed the worse it is. He doesn't care about the team or the players and it will only get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 He was even asked yesterday why he stepped up quickly to deny other recent reports like Robert not wanting bad film shown but he won't deny this and he dodged that question too. It is because the story came from him, he wants it to be discussed and he wants to frame the conversation around his departure which is exactly what has happened. All Mike & Mike discussed of this issue this morning was the RG3-Snyder relationship and how that is a problem. The truly sad part is that until he is fired, he will bring as many people down with him as possible and stir more controversy on his way out the door like the comment about not announcing the starting QB next week. The longer he is employed the worse it is. He doesn't care about the team or the players and it will only get worse. I don't think there's any real evidence that the story came from him and that he wants it to be discussed and that he wants to bring people down with him. That all sounds very dramatic and everything, and while I don't think he's completely free of blame in this situation, all evidence points back towards Snyder. Snyder's been doing this for years. Remember when Portis had as much power as anyone else in the franchise? It's understandable that Shanny was upset last year about the developments with RG3 and Snyder if these reports are true. Quite frankly, RG3 and Snyder shouldn't have a relationship like that. At the time, RG3 was a rookie quarterback and should have been treated like one. What business does he have in going directly to the owner with issues? At least he's not a liar. You can slam him for not denying yesterdays reports, but so what? Would it make people feel better if he let it all air out at the podium after that game? Who cares if he hasn't decided which QB he'll start next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 In retrospect Shanny lost the team in that Seattle game last year. I don't think he did. That's what is bizarre to me in all this. Until yesterday, I thought this team was competing. They were bad, but they were professional. Shanahan is the obvious plant of that story and the clear effect was to undermine the team. And that is such an un-Shanahan thing to do. This is guy who kept his dignity in a public spat with Al Davis after all. When he was finally let go in Denver, the owner freaking cried. The story to me is that Snyder is such an awful owner that he turned Mike Shanahan into an unprofessional, team-destroying, quitting basket case. That's not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I don't think there's any real evidence that the story came from him and that he wants it to be discussed and that he wants to bring people down with him. That all sounds very dramatic and everything, and while I don't think he's completely free of blame in this situation, all evidence points back towards Snyder. Snyder's been doing this for years. Remember when Portis had as much power as anyone else in the franchise? It's understandable that Shanny was upset last year about the developments with RG3 and Snyder if these reports are true. Quite frankly, RG3 and Snyder shouldn't have a relationship like that. At the time, RG3 was a rookie quarterback and should have been treated like one. What business does he have in going directly to the owner with issues? At least he's not a liar. You can slam him for not denying yesterdays reports, but so what? Would it make people feel better if he let it all air out at the podium after that game? Who cares if he hasn't decided which QB he'll start next week? I think it's pretty clear the report came from Shanahan's camp or he had knowledge of it and its also obvious he wants it to be discussed because he hasn't denied it. He could have denied it at the beginning of his PC yesterday, shot the whole thing down and the said he wanted to discuss football/the game but he didn't. He wants this story out there since it distracts from how sorry and unprepared the team on the field is and shapes him as a sympathetic figure. Also, many of said the report of his office being cleared out prior to the Seattle game is untrue so that nugget seems to have been added to the story for dramatic effect for some reason. Quite possibly because it paints Shanahan in a better light? It has never once been mentioned that RG3 went around Shanahan and to Snyder with issues he had either. I don't know where you got that from. The only issues listed were use of personal security when he went out and having Snyder's limo pick up Grffin's fiance once. Insiders have stated the two rarely talk during the season and have only done a handful of offseason events together like the White House Correspondence dinner. It's also been pointed out that this happens with a lot of other owners and star players. The starting QB point matters because not it is open for discussion this week and invites more circus to the team that he could have avoided. For some unknown reason, he doesn't want to avoid a circus. There is no reason to not announce Griffin as the starter unless it is to drum up controversy and distraction. Watch, eventually the report will come out that Shanahan was a Cousins guy but had to stick with RG3 because of Snyder and it ruined our season, woe is Shanahan its not his fault. I am literally expecting that domino to fall any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Stupid Loser Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Agreed. Seems like low hanging fruit to me. He was supposed to be a brilliant mind last season catering his offense to Griffin, and suddenly everyone has decided that he was a weasel and undermining Griffin the entire time. He's gone downhill, but I think these conspiracy theories are getting out of hand. When I hear everyone getting so personal about his failures after loving him so much last season, I can't help but think of this: Yep, this is the same coach that most on here were slobbering all over the last couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Can we do it tonight so I can sleep? Hail. I cannot believe what I have been reading the last few days. Talk about a failure to launch. Now we need the inevitable scapegoat. Looks like Shanny is it. I know the Skins have had countless failed seasons and we have analyzed the causes to DEATH BUT never have I seen so many gossipy negative articles, commentators, media circuses centered on the Skins. Robert Griffin who I have supported since Day 1 and throughout this whole season, leaves comments out there that beg interpretation that fuels gossip. He sometimes, not always, offers the strong impression that he is "above" or "beyond" the woes of this team. And I am beginning to suspect given his teammates comments that he is not well liked in the locker room. While we have been miserable as fans and we have called for many coaches heads, hell even Gibbs could not turn the franchise around NEVER has there been all this pansy gossipy carp. I am disgusted with it all. We will now where Shanny is concerned always go back to the Seattle game. NO he never should of left Griffin in that game after the re-injury. He was already injured. We all know that and yes, it may signal a marginal career at best for Griffin, that could have been better but it is done. Here is something I notice consistently. Players leave this team and excel. Look at all the players that have left here and reignited their careers. Graham Gano as one example is suddenly the kicker of the year in Carolina and we wanted to run him out on a rail because he missed everything. And Carlos Rogers. Mr. Brick had career high INT's last year. Hell even Campbell is starting to look NFL caliber like although it took a long recovery after leaving here. With the circus in Washington right now Shanahan has to be praying to be let go. He will not quit. I believe the team as a whole is in disarray and I believe that right now, at least right now, Griffin who was the savior last year may very well be the pariah on the team. It is unbelievable to me. And how do you explain all the gossip and innuendos? All the attacks from the media and the talking bobble heads? And how does this team pull itself back together and at the same time bring in what is needed so the team can be successful or is it even possible? I just cannot believe all the articles I have read in the last week Disgusting and disheartening. Dan Snyder should NOT have a relationship with RG3 that is different then the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Wait, so RG3 and Snyder are all buddy-buddy and Shanny doesn't like it...and we're supposed to be mad at Shanny? Whatever, Boz. That's the thing ... who says RGIII and Snyder are buddy-buddy? other sources say they haven't "hung out" this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 As far as who calls the plays if Mike and Kyle both go? three thoughts Rex Kurt Robert Between the three of those guys, someone should be able to do that. Heck Hire Rex as Offcoord for all I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 If Shanahan really doesn't want to get fired, then you have to fire him. But that's not going to fix us. What it will do is probably **** up RG3's career and we'll be starting over from scratch soon, the team selling some new form of bull**** hope, meanwhile if I know us, no one will have ever been able to build a winner the way we're going to try and do it. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. This is intolerable. If Shanahan goes, clean the whole house. Allen should be fired too and replaced with an actual GM who runs player personnel. Fire everyone involved with all these leaks for a start. Shanahan made this current bed by ****ing up 2010 and 2011. It's depressing because he actually had good offseasons in 2012 and 2013. We'll be lucky if any of that stays intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantu Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I don't think anyone should forget that Shanahan is the one that has leaked this story and is willing to burn every bridge he's built in this town. However, I know many of us find his allegations about Snyder And RGIII's relationship to be very plausible. Even a known fact, according to a lot of the beat reporters around here. Having an open door policy with select players is a surefire way to undermine coaches and empower said players to feel like they can go around the coach if they are not pleased with something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 As far as who calls the plays if Mike and Kyle both go? three thoughts Rex Kurt Robert Between the three of those guys, someone should be able to do that. Heck Hire Rex as Offcoord for all I care. Rex Grossman as offensive coordinator sounds exciting, like Steve Spurrier on LSD exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSchewe Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Oopps sorry duplicate post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 I think it's pretty clear the report came from Shanahan's camp or he had knowledge of it and its also obvious he wants it to be discussed because he hasn't denied it. He could have denied it at the beginning of his PC yesterday, shot the whole thing down and the said he wanted to discuss football/the game but he didn't. He wants this story out there since it distracts from how sorry and unprepared the team on the field is and shapes him as a sympathetic figure. Also, many of said the report of his office being cleared out prior to the Seattle game is untrue so that nugget seems to have been added to the story for dramatic effect for some reason. Quite possibly because it paints Shanahan in a better light? It has never once been mentioned that RG3 went around Shanahan and to Snyder with issues he had either. I don't know where you got that from. The only issues listed were use of personal security when he went out and having Snyder's limo pick up Grffin's fiance once. Insiders have stated the two rarely talk during the season and have only done a handful of offseason events together like the White House Correspondence dinner. It's also been pointed out that this happens with a lot of other owners and star players. The starting QB point matters because not it is open for discussion this week and invites more circus to the team that he could have avoided. For some unknown reason, he doesn't want to avoid a circus. There is no reason to not announce Griffin as the starter unless it is to drum up controversy and distraction. Watch, eventually the report will come out that Shanahan was a Cousins guy but had to stick with RG3 because of Snyder and it ruined our season, woe is Shanahan its not his fault. I am literally expecting that domino to fall any day. RGIII's wife denies using Snyder's limo. Dan Steinberg @dcsportsbog 15h Griffin’s wife "told a team official that she rides taxicabs to games" http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-mike-shanahan-daniel-snyder-relationship-might-be-damaged-beyond-repair/2013/12/08/344ae398-6033-11e3-94ad-004fefa61ee6_story.html?tid=pm_sports_pop … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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