Bacon Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 6-8 months is pushing it. Is it possible? Sure. Is it foolhardy? Yes. Based on how our doctors have handled him so far, we'll see him week 1 whether he's ready or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike21 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Can someone who knows what they're talking about comment on how this compares to Adrian Peterson's injury and surgery/rehab process? AP tore both his MCL and ACL in December of 2011 so it's basically the same time frame as RG3 has for this offseason minus a few weeks. I can. RGIII is a human. AD is a cyborg/alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Love, prayers and positive thoughts going out to RG3 and his family that this will be a smooth surgery and rehab. Hopefully some of this ridiculous doom and gloom will now dissipate and fans can focus on moving on and being positive about his recovery, our team, and looking forward to a bright 2013 - whether that be with Kirk Cousins leading our team while RG3 continues to recover, or a healthy RG3 So here's to no more negativity! Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trung Canidate Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Love, prayers and positive thoughts going out to RG3 and his family that this will be a smooth surgery and rehab.Hopefully some of this ridiculous doom and gloom will now dissipate and fans can focus on moving on and being positive about his recovery, our team, and looking forward to a bright 2013 - whether that be with Kirk Cousins leading our team while RG3 continues to recover, or a healthy RG3 So here's to no more negativity! Yeah right. I'm 100% with you. RGIII will come back better, stronger, smarter and hungrier than ever. Believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In 93 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 well i guess in cousins we trust, next man up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSkinsFan92 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'm kinda surprised by the negativity, i mean originally we were hearing like 14-18 months lol. 6-8 and that's inlcuding setbacks sounds pretty good to me get well soon RG3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewU Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Can someone who knows what they're talking about comment on how this compares to Adrian Peterson's injury and surgery/rehab process? AP tore both his MCL and ACL in December of 2011 so it's basically the same time frame as RG3 has for this offseason minus a few weeks. I can. RGIII is a human. AD is a cyborg/alien. correct No one should expect a Peterson like recovery for any player Dr. Andrews has done A LOT of surgeries so check this out: "AP's genetics were apparent in the immediate wake of the injury. He had his surgery moved up from the first week in January to December 30, six days after he tore his ligament on Christmas Eve. Afterwards, Dr. James Andrews, who performed the procedure in Birmingham, Alabama, pulled AP's father aside and told him he had never seen the interior of a knee like that. "It's like a newborn baby," the famous orthopedic surgeon marveled. Dr. Andrews agreed to talk to me about AP's knee. "He runs good tread on it," he says in that reassuring Louisiana country doctor accent that the most famous athletes in the world pay premium to have available on speed dial. "The big problem that we have in the NFL is that they wear out the patellofemoral joint, where the kneecap glides on the end of the thigh bone. We even start seeing this in college, sometimes even in high school. That articulate cartilage wears early in them. But the inside of AP's patellofemoral joint looks like white glistening marble. When it's worn it looks like a shaggy rug. That's a problem, because when you go to rehab 'em, it propagates further wear and they break down because they already have bad surfaces."" http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...football-again Peterson is a genetic freak among genetic freaks I will keep my hopes up but not expect too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bifflog Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'm kinda surprised by the negativity, i mean originally we were hearing like 14-18 months lol. 6-8 and that's inlcuding setbacks sounds pretty good to me get well soon RG3. This place will be miserable for the off-season, might be time to just take a 6 month break from it and just see how the whole process goes. Not sure I can take minute by minute woe-is-me musings and negativity in every post. I already know if it's possible for Griff to come back at 100%, he'll make it happen so what else is there to say? Hope the surgery goes as planned and we get to see him play next year. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffout Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 correctNo one should expect a Peterson like recovery for any player Dr. Andrews has done A LOT of surgeries so check this out: "AP's genetics were apparent in the immediate wake of the injury. He had his surgery moved up from the first week in January to December 30, six days after he tore his ligament on Christmas Eve. Afterwards, Dr. James Andrews, who performed the procedure in Birmingham, Alabama, pulled AP's father aside and told him he had never seen the interior of a knee like that. "It's like a newborn baby," the famous orthopedic surgeon marveled. Dr. Andrews agreed to talk to me about AP's knee. "He runs good tread on it," he says in that reassuring Louisiana country doctor accent that the most famous athletes in the world pay premium to have available on speed dial. "The big problem that we have in the NFL is that they wear out the patellofemoral joint, where the kneecap glides on the end of the thigh bone. We even start seeing this in college, sometimes even in high school. That articulate cartilage wears early in them. But the inside of AP's patellofemoral joint looks like white glistening marble. When it's worn it looks like a shaggy rug. That's a problem, because when you go to rehab 'em, it propagates further wear and they break down because they already have bad surfaces."" http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...football-again Peterson is a genetic freak among genetic freaks I will keep my hopes up but not expect too much Wow I didn't know that about Peterson. Thanks for the info. RG3 needs to give Ray Lewis a call and ask him about that cyborg arm brace he wore last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Smith Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 It's been a long time since I've been this emotional as a Redskins fan, I gotta admit. All the wins this year, all the great moments, the NFC East title over Dallas in week 17... and they're all shaken back into perspective by this injury. Last time I was this depressed as a Redskins fan would have to be... well, we all know when. I have no idea what the true prognosis is at this point. I think only Dr. James Andrews will really, truly have the clearest picture, after the surgery, and even that won't be definitive. The pessimist in me thinks about the severity of the injury and wonders if it's career-threatening, and the optimist in me imagines how overjoyed Washington would be if Griffin ever came back and brought us a Super Bowl, after all of this. Somehow, something like that would just suit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyLeeGhostHunter Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 A doctor on ESPN said without set back you're looking at a start anywhere from week 1 to 6. Take that for what its worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphs56 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 It's been a long time since I've been this emotional as a Redskins fan, I gotta admit. All the wins this year, all the great moments, the NFC East title over Dallas in week 17... and they're all shaken back into perspective by this injury. Last time I was this depressed as a Redskins fan would have to be... well, we all know when.I have no idea what the true prognosis is at this point. I think only Dr. James Andrews will really, truly have the clearest picture, after the surgery, and even that won't be definitive. The pessimist in me thinks about the severity of the injury and wonders if it's career-threatening, and the optimist in me imagines how overjoyed Washington would be if Griffin ever came back and brought us a Super Bowl, after all of this. Somehow, something like that would just suit him. Look at this way. Last time this happened, RG III worked his butt off. He couldn't walk so he would sit in a chair and throw passes to his dad, over and over. Pre-ACL surgery in 2009, the deep ball wasn't a big part of his game. Post surgery, it became one of his primary weapons. 2 seasons after the ACL tear, he won the Heisman. He's a motivated, determined kid. If anybody is going to come back and be better than he was before, it is him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I hope to hell they rehab him conservatively and let him heal than trying their best to get him in the opener. 8 months just seems low to me compared to all the news we have been hearing recently. Because the news has been full of conjecture and a lot of panic from people who have no clue what the specific injury is. I'm not a doctor, but I just woke up the orthopedic surgeon in my house and asked him to read the ESPN report. He said barring unforseen surgical complications, surgical procedure ESPN described is a typical 6-9 month recovery, depending on rehab, health, age, etc., of course. I'm pretty sure there are other orthopedics here on ES, Bonez3?, or something who will have more specific input. But that's my hearsay from my family member... Hope it helps ya and others who are thinking this time frame is too short. I certainly have faith in that time frame with a surgeon like Dr. Andrews and the incredible advances made in orthopedic surgery from year to year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins2victory Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Dang it. Get well RG3! sigh.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Since its not actually linked in the OP, the ESPN story is here. Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III will undergo total reconstructive surgery of his right knee early Wednesday morning to repair torn anterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligaments, but he is expected to be ready for the opener of the 2013 NFL regular season, according to team sources familiar with the determination made by orthopedic specialist Dr. James Andrews.The torn ACL was diagnosed late Tuesday as a complete tear of the patella graft that was used to repair Griffin's torn ACL suffered at Baylor in 2009. A team source said Andrews likely will use a patella graft from Griffin's left knee to repair the most recent tear. Griffin's recovery is projected at six to eight months, barring any setbacks, sources said. The rehabilitation plan will focus primarily on strengthening Griffin's quadriceps to help protect and help stabilize the knee, according to sources. The reconstruction of the LCL is considered a complication, but sources said Andrews informed the Redskins it should rehab well during the same six-to-eight month time frame as the ACL injury. Under this projected time frame of surgery, recovery and rehab, Griffin should be able to participate at some level during training camp in August and be ready to open the season in September, according to the sources. There is also a video at the above link. If this ESPN report is accurate, the bad news is that he did re-injure his ACL. Most of us knew about the LCL already. The good news, if there is any, is that they are talking a much shorter recovery time than some of the Chicken Little types on this board (you know the ones who were saying that RG3 would be out until 2014, or forever) were suggesting. Its bad news, and the second injury to the same ACL is especially alarming, but Griffin has the best doctor in the country and the work ethic to help him come back as strong as ever. Get well Robert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prototype Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Glad the cat is finally outta the bag. I knew the time frame we're looking at would be from 6-8 months.... So he's either gonna be ready by training camp, or the regular season.... my money is on the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 NBC Sports is re-reporting the Mortenson's ESPN report. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/report-robert-griffin-iii-out-6-8-months-with-complete-acl-lcl-tears/ The final diagnosis appears to be in for Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III.According to Chris Mortensen of ESPN, Griffin will undergo “total reconstruction” surgery early Wednesday morning to repair complete tears to his ACL and LCL. Dr. James Andrews will perform the surgery and he is expected to miss six to eight months. Mortensen reported at 1:03 a.m. ET that the surgery would take place in “about six hours” placing the actual time of the surgery somewhere around 7 a.m. ET. . . . The timetable of the injury could mean Griffin is ready to go in time for training camp in late July or that he could still be sidelined when the season begins in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'm curious, is there a great difference between the quality of care Griffin will receive having Andrews do this work as compared to whoever did the work before? Not looking for silly rah rah "Redskins have the most money for the best things.." type of answer. I am just wondering if there is a disparity in quality of drs performing this procedure for a qb at a bottom tier 1a college and an nfl team or is it done basically by the same people even for college athletes. If there is a disparity and Andrews is a lot better than the previous doc, would it be likely that his knee comes out of this stronger than when he entered the NFL at least as far as the ACL is concerned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'm curious, is there a great difference between the quality of care Griffin will receive having Andrews do this work as compared to whoever did the work before? I'm sure the surgeon who did the previous work was good, but Andrews is considered the best of the best. If anybody can get RG3's knee right its Andrews. We can take some solace in the fact that Robert has the best doctor he could possibly have. We all know Andrews did AP's surgery, we can only hope RG3's is as successful. Maybe that strikes some as too optimistic, and without making light of the potential complications, I like the chances because of Andrews' skill and Griffin's heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 What they are going to work on RG3's good knee to get a good tendon? I though Danny bou flew down there with RG3 so he can be the donor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hopes and prayers for a successful surgery and ultra-smooth recovery, Robert! We're with you...HTTR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston2Taylor2Landry Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 This is fantastic. It's about the best scenario possible, right? I'm not worried about him missing games. We drafted a back up. He has been pretty awesome, too. He is gonna be better than this year. He's also gonna be another year wiser. Would i ever think we couldn't win a game with Cousins' ? No. If we can make a positive out of this, it's that Cousin's will be preparing all off season as a starter. First team reps in mini camp and all through out the summer and preseason. We are gonna be fine as long as Griff and the coaching staff let him heal. Just let him heal and gain his confidence back. Thats all I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 How I feel about every person on this board who has suddenly become a doctor and lets us all know about his sudden medical expertise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc7mS4N2r3U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Can someone who knows what they're talking about comment on how this compares to Adrian Peterson's injury and surgery/rehab process? AP tore both his MCL and ACL in December of 2011 so it's basically the same time frame as RG3 has for this offseason minus a few weeks. From what I understand, the graft that was used to fix RG3's ACL back in 2009 has.... come undone.... for lack of a better way to put it (I'm not a doctor ). Dr. Andrews is going to fix the LCL, then he is going to take a graft from RG3's other knee to repair the the work that was done in 2009. Re-hab will be about 6-8 months. Since RG3 is VERY young, healthy, and athletic, we hope and believe that it is closer to six than eight. Which means he'll be ready by training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 This gives me hope. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3379779 About three months after ACL surgery, Rivers returnsExactly 100 days since his January surgery to repair the torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee, gutty QB Philip Rivers celebrated the landmark day by practicing, Bill Williamson writes. People aren't supposed to play on a torn ACL, either. Rivers did. On Jan. 13 in Indianapolis, he injured his right knee in the Chargers' upset win over the Colts in the AFC divisional playoffs. On Jan. 14, he had arthroscopic surgery to clean out the damaged cartilage. He was told all week leading up to the Jan. 20 AFC title game at New England that there was no way he could play. Somehow, Rivers did. He had surgery Jan. 23 to repair the torn ACL. Less than four months later, he's back on the field -- and wearing a heavy brace on his right knee. By the way, that season Rivers played in all 16 games, threw for over 4000 yards, 34 TDs and 11 Ints. He wasn't hindered at all by his repaired knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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