TD_washingtonredskins Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Just like Percy Harvin is so much of an offensive factor for the Vikings? Not following. ---------- Post added November-24th-2012 at 03:35 PM ---------- This thread is ridiculous. How about getting behind everyone on the team to make a playoff push rather than calling to cut someone. I think Banks is a good returner and his lineups in the offense keep the defense guessing. All you Vinny Cerratos please just shut up. Banks is not the problem. The defense is. I started the thread 6 weeks ago. Teams, even good ones, have cut underperforming players in October before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Team Ever Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Yeah Banks scares the **** out of me every time he touches the ball. I've never seen someone in the NFL fumble as much as he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hammer Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Reading this thread makes me think twice about getting a Banks jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 This thread is ridiculous. How about getting behind everyone on the team to make a playoff push rather than calling to cut someone. I think Banks is a good returner and his lineups in the offense keep the defense guessing. All you Vinny Cerratos please just shut up. Banks is not the problem. The defense is.What in your opinion is making Banks such a good returner? Thursday against Dallas Banks fielded a punt on the ****ing one yard line and returned it for a staggering five yard jaunt. Who does that? Why didn't he just let the ball bounce into the endzone and let us have the ball on the twenty? Why does he constantly run out of bounds on returns instead of trying to turn it up field? Ever?I wish that cheerleaders would shut up and stop defending players that don't contribute and look at the bigger picture, the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I've given up playing manager, Banks IMO does not add any value to the team, but he is a Redskin and I root for him. It is doubtful that he will be here next year, but unless there is a player that can come in and start in his place ( which does not appear to be the case) he finishes the season. Who knows, maybe he breaks one against the Giants. Hell I stopped bashing DHall and he has played a really nice couple games...karma. As long as BB is a Skin, regardless of my opinion of his takent level, I root fir him. Hail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPAllTheWay012 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think some people are underestimating Banks as a player in the offense. When they use him in those packages where he motions into the backfield it has to be obnoxious for defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think some people are underestimating Banks as a player in the offense. When they use him in those packages where he motions into the backfield it has to be obnoxious for defenses. It's not obnoxious because he doesn't seem as fast as he used to be and they know if they can get to him he will go down pretty easily with a high chance of fumbling it. If I was the defense I would be glad to see him come into the offense rather than Morgan, Robinson etc or somebody that has a chance of taking it to the house or breaking some tackles. I root for him because he can help the team but his play this season has not warranted him having a roster spot. I would say 9/10 times we are better on kickoffs and punts if he just never touches the ball. That is pretty damning. Would love to see Robinson get Banks reps the remainder of the season. If it works out great, if not we know we can move on from Banks and keep AR as a receiver for us and maybe look to grab somebody like Austin or Denard for kickoff/option and gadget duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Funny thing about Banks and the fumbles. Although he has fumbled 12 times in his career here, he has never lost a single one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Funny thing about Banks and the fumbles. Although he has fumbled 12 times in his career here, he has never lost a single one. Didn't realize that stat, that is quite remarkable. You have to figure that luck will run out eventually though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Didn't realize that stat, that is quite remarkable. You have to figure that luck will run out eventually though. Shanny was asked about Banks a couple weeks ago. I do not remember the exact quote, but he basically said that he told Banks he is okay as long as he continues to recover his own fumbles, but as soon as he starts losing them it will be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Shanny was asked about Banks a couple weeks ago. I do not remember the exact quote, but he basically said that he told Banks he is okay as long as he continues to recover his own fumbles, but as soon as he starts losing them it will be a problem. Explains why Banks beelines to the sidelines avoiding any forward progress or running lanes. He is creating his own job security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Explains why Banks beelines to the sidelines avoiding any forward progress or running lanes. He is creating his own job security.Best explanation/theory yet.It is going to continue to drive me nuts to watch Banks run straight for the sideline. Even if he is doing it to keep his job, he is hurting the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think some people are underestimating Banks as a player in the offense. When they use him in those packages where he motions into the backfield it has to be obnoxious for defenses. 1.9 yards per reception and just over 5 yards a carry. 21 of his rushing yards came on one carry. His longest reception on the year is 8 yards. I get that he is fast and defenses have to account for him when he motions into the backfield but you could use Robinson in that role. I simply don't understand why we keep sending Banks out when we are on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 At this point like I stated before I would cut him and sign a kickoff specialist kicker.. Someone that has the leg to put 50% of the kicks out of the end zone. Cobra Kai is not very good at this and besides I want to make sure he has a fresh leg. Banks adds nothing to our team as far as I can see right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub70s Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Ace? What exactly is he acing?You're dangerously close to obvious trolling here. Based on what, your feelings. I think you should roll up your sleeve and stop wearing them for us to see. I like Banks, I like what he adds to this team. You put anyone else on kick offs or punt returns and you get 5 more yards. Kick offs and punt returns require more than just a person to return them.......they require solid blocking up front! Sounds like YOU should focus your frustration on Danny [the golden child] Smith and the special teams blocking. Where are the running lanes for a guy with Banks speed? ---------- Post added November-24th-2012 at 07:17 PM ---------- I wish that cheerleaders would shut up and stop defending players that don't contribute and look at the bigger picture, the Redskins. And I wish that the crybabies would do the same and realize that the coaches know something that we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 This thread is ridiculous. How about getting behind everyone on the team to make a playoff push rather than calling to cut someone. I think Banks is a good returner and his lineups in the offense keep the defense guessing. All you Vinny Cerratos please just shut up. Banks is not the problem. The defense is. More than one position can't be a "problem" at the same time? Why is Banks a good returner, in any ways try to quantify it and you'll realize what a ridiculous statement it is. You're running off of pure homer emotions. ---------- Post added November-24th-2012 at 07:42 PM ---------- Funny thing about Banks and the fumbles. Although he has fumbled 12 times in his career here, he has never lost a single one. Recovered fumbles are pretty much accepted as a 100% random statistic. That's an incredibly lucky number, and it's mostly because he is always running along the sideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I love when fans try to come at other fans for being critical of players/coaches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Based on what, your feelings.I think you should roll up your sleeve and stop wearing them for us to see. So based upon that second sentence, you believe that liking Banks' play is the rational, non-emotional stance? Gotcha. I like Banks, I like what he adds to this team. You put anyone else on kick offs or punt returns and you get 5 more yards. Kick offs and punt returns require more than just a person to return them.......they require solid blocking up front! Sounds like YOU should focus your frustration on Danny [the golden child] Smith and the special teams blocking. Where are the running lanes for a guy with Banks speed? Tough to create running lanes for a guy who dashes straight for the sideline to offset the fact that he's a horrid fumbler with no wiggle and no ability to break tackles. I don't like smith, but our FG kicking, kick coverage, and punt coverage units have been playing superbly. I find it hard to believe that the problem is with the ten guys comprising the entire punt/kick return blocking units and not with the one returner who, if you actually watch him play and remove you're homer goggles, obviously sucks at his job. And I wish that the crybabies would do the same and realize that the coaches know something that we don't. Keeping Banks was 100% Danny Smith's decision. So which is it, is it Banks or Smith? If its Smith, as you contend, then this comment makes no sense. Sometimes coaches ARE liable to make stupid decisions that fans can see coming from a mile away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 After watching Denard break a sandwich tackle today on a designed run, I'm really thinking we need to get our hands on him. The even better part of it is, he would be durable if you only had him running a little bit (as opposed to all the time for most of his career) and he can present a threat to throw on plays. I don't know that he's ever returned punts but he has some of the best pure speed in football and is fairly agile as well. He'd be a hell of a lot better gadget player than Banks and he's shown time and again that he can take hits. ---------- Post added November-24th-2012 at 07:28 PM ---------- This is why I'm an advocate of drafting Denard Robinson Me too. If people think our offense is dangerous now, it would be positively lethal with a guy who can break tackle and go 60 with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Did these banks homers buy his jersey or something? He isn't getting it done, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsarethebest Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The rational side of me says cut his ass ASAP... But I've got this irrational feeling that as soon as we do, he's gonna light it up for whatever team claims him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzwiz Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 More than one position can't be a "problem" at the same time?Why is Banks a good returner, in any ways try to quantify it and you'll realize what a ridiculous statement it is. You're running off of pure homer emotions. That's ironic you say that because every "cut Banks" posts seems to be oozing misguided emotion. What magical running lanes do you want this guy to take? He gets all the yards he can every return. You want somebody to quantify?! How about you look at the only stat there is. For return yards and average he is on par with every returner in the league. What the **** else can you quantify! And people talking about him fielding a punt on the 1 yard line...yes, that was a terrible play and I was disgusted with that. But the best returnees make mistakes. Devin Hester looses 10-15 yards on some punt returns trying to do too much every now and then. It happens. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I think your viewpoint is delusional. He has gotten utterly complacent returning punts and kicks. He no longer puts his body on the line by using his straight line speed! Pay attention to this next time you see him return a kick, hes consistantly crow hopping left and right making sure the defenders dont get a clean shot on him. Obviously this is part of his goal but he refuses to turn on the speed when he finds a crease. If he does start to pick up speed he cant get to the sideline fast enough. It's not delusional, its just not as merciless as your feeling on the issue. I said he hasn't been the same since he got hurt, and there's no telling where his head is on the issue. This team doesn't need another 1000 yard receiver right now, and he is putting the ball on the ground way less then he used to. I don't see the point in kicking him to the curb for another backup linemen. The linemen won't be used to score and change field position. Shanny has no problem getting rid of our favorite hopefuls (Colt, Marko, etc), so the fact he's STILL on the team tells me something. It really does. ---------- Post added November-24th-2012 at 09:40 PM ---------- My guess would be Walmart.Serioulsy - fielding a punt in your own end zone. Really? Second year player? Young player mistake, maybe? Look, I've been on the fence about cutting this guy a couple games this season. But the reality is he's the 7th WR on the roster. He's not hurting us more then he helps, and he's STILL not as bad as ARE was at returning punts. I'm fine with him being pushed off the roster, but I don't agree with just cutting him. Not unless he has another subpar year in a row... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzwiz Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's not delusional, its just not as merciless as your feeling on the issue. I said he hasn't been the same since he got hurt, and there's no telling where his head is on the issue. This team doesn't need another 1000 yard receiver right now, and he is putting the ball on the ground way less then he used to. I don't see the point in kicking him to the curb for another backup linemen. The linemen won't be used to score and change field position. Shanny has no problem getting rid of our favorite hopefuls (Colt, Marko, etc), so the fact he's STILL on the team tells me something. It really does. ---------- Post added November-24th-2012 at 09:40 PM ---------- Second year player? Young player mistake, maybe? Look, I've been on the fence about cutting this guy a couple games this season. But the reality is he's the 7th WR on the roster. He's not hurting us more then he helps, and he's STILL not as bad as ARE was at returning punts. I'm fine with him being pushed off the roster, but I don't agree with just cutting him. Not unless he has another subpar year in a row... Exactly this whole discussion seems ridiculous. I not saying the guy is a superstar but he is not really hindering the team. Banks can not be blamed for any loss this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibbidoe Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 It seems that his primary function on this team is as a returner, which he hasn't been good at. What he brings to the offense does not offset how little he has provided in the return game. Keeping him for his offensive production makes no sense. To me, it'd be like hiring a really crappy assassin, and keeping him around because he makes an okay PB&J sandwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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