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Your last sentence brings up a point I was about to make about Maye fanhood. I suspect a strong predictor of whether or not someone favors Maye over Daniels is whether or not they believe Sam Howell was a serviceable option at QB or not. I consider Howell to be straight up garbage, and that even with a better O line, he would have been terrible. Of course, it’s not something that can be proven one way or the other. However, I suspect that how you feel about Howell can be a pretty accurate predictor of where you fall in the Maye versus Daniels debate. Am I right or wrong here? Anyone who thinks Howell was trash also think that Maye’s a better pick than Daniels?

You correctly noted that the poll taken was one “on here” so that is something I would take with a grain of salt. Instead, I’m looking at articles and comments and Twitter feeds and Instagram posts. For example, look at the comments to the recent WaPo article debating the relative merits of Daniels and Maye. I know maybe that doesn’t count as hard evidence and you are correct that a lot of polls may be of coaches and football professionals so by definition not “fans” per se. But if one wants to assert that Maye is a more popular choice than Daniels among the fanbase at large (again, not Extremeskins), I would find that very very hard to believe.

If you think the majority of the fanbase prefers Maye, you’re delusional. The Quinn situation was totally different - they have complete control over who they pick at #2 whereas their choice of coach was not something entirely up to them, as Ben Johnson and other candidates took themselves out of the running or were hired by other teams.

If they were decided on Maye, I think they would have made it clear by now. The reason: among casual fans, and yes, the majority of the fanbase, though of course not at Extremeskins, picking Maye would be viewed as a disappointment. I believe this new FO and ownership group is very savvy about PR and optics. If Maye really was the pick, they would want to “get in front of it” as soon as possible and start getting their fans, especially their casual fans, to be acclimated to and “ok” with the choice sooner rather than later.

Which would be like getting a lump of coal for Xmas for most fans of the team. Outside of Extremeskins, most people think Daniels is a clear choice for the #2 spot.

If the trade offer to Chicago is true, I’d say that’s also more evidence Daniels will be the pick. He’s much more similar to Caleb than Maye is in terms of playing style, and it shows the FO wants to make a “splash.” They could boast they got this year’s Heisman winner, while Chicago got last year’s.

yeah, how will his career look if he passes on Jayden in favor of Maye and Maye becomes Sam Howell 2.0 or the second coming of Zach Wilson or Josh Rosen, while Daniels is the NFC’s version of Lamar Jackson and wins multiple super bowls with the Giants?

you’ve been living inside the extremeskins bubble for far too long. Google Jayden Daniels and Commanders and you’ll see the vast majority of hits of any kind (from all kinds of sources) have had him at #2 to the Commanders since at least the Mariota signing and just recently it’s only gotten stronger and stronger. There are some that list Maye as the likely #2 but those are probably less than 15% and are clear outliers and are seemingly dwindling with each passing day.

yes, but my point is that Maye didn’t even have those stellar college numbers to point to, so why don’t we have even more skepticism towards him, rather than less…? Seems like he’s being given way too much benefit of the doubt, whereas conversely, for a QB who actually did put up those good numbers, there’s a tendency to dismiss them out of hand.

and this is the same kind of logical fallacy that has people pining for Sam Howell…. Trying to prove a positive point with a negative… ”well, he didn’t have X so he could have been good if he did have X”…. That’s the most that can be proven: that the person COULD have been good. Yet people mistakenly convert that COULD to an IS. The reality is that even if he had a solid O Line and strong supporting cast, he also might not have had success. We just do not know. And yet they claim the evidence of Maye succeeding in the pros is somehow greater than the evidence supporting those who actually did succeed (even if it was with what some might say is a better O line and better receivers and supporting cast). A lot of Commanders fans did it with Howell and now seem like they are doing it with Maye. In other words, if Maye had the same O line and receivers as Daniels, would he have put up the same numbers and won the Heisman? We simply do not know. It is by nature impossible to know. But yet we want to say that non-knowledge is stronger evidence of his likelihood to succeed than the fact that Daniels actually DID succeed with the O line and supporting cast that he did have. Doesn’t make sense speaking purely from the point of view of logic.

In a nutshell, you’re crazy. If the Giants get Daniels, he will torment us for the next decade. Daniel Jones already made a laughingstock out of our team for most of the times he’s played us, and I shudder to think of how we’ll fare against the Giants if Jayden Daniels ends up being their QB of the future.

but you know what’s also good prep for the NFL? Actual games played. In this case, Daniels has nearly 3x as many as Maye. And has actually seemed to improve over those span of games rather than regressing.

Daniels has nearly five years of experience and over 50 games played under his belt. Maye has only two seasons and less than 20 games. That itself already points to Daniels being more ready to play and less likely to need to sit than Maye. but I’m sure you’ll find a way to discount this pretty objective piece of evidence which favors Daniels and perhaps somehow spin it in Maye’s favor.

you're missing my point. I never said that Maye doesn't' have a strong work ethic. Of course, every single QB at this level has to have worked hard to have gotten to where they are. I'm saying that Daniels has been touted in various places as having an insane work ethic. It's the ones that are obsessive bordering on pathological that really take it to another level. The ones who are there at 4am in the morning. Brady was apparently one of those. I've heard the same said about Daniels so yes, I do believe that while both Maye and Daniels are hard workers, it is Daniels that has the more obsessive work ethic. Now of course this could all be BS but I have seen/heard that comment made about Daniels. I have never seen it made about Maye.

Not at all. I've heard from multiple sources that Daniels literally lives in the study room to an extent that might be seen as excessive. Never ever heard that about Maye.

Quite the opposite for me. I find him likable for a simple reason: apparently he has a work ethic (and a hunger for film study) that rivals Brady…. That’s the kind of QB I want to build my team around. Maye strikes me as more of the frat boy type who would prefer going to UNC basketball games than staying up late studying film in the film room.

Exactly. If that were the case, Caleb to DC would be a done deal by now.

the stench of RG3 is not nearly as putrid as the stench of Wentz and Howell RG3 didn’t know how to throw and didn’t know how to protect himself but he was still better than a lot of prospects that have come by since his time. if we’re able to get an RG3 who can actually read defenses and stay on his feet, then it’s a different ball game. Also RG3 cost the team multiple first rounders. That was part of why the deal for him sucked.

I’d be more worried about them with Jayden Daniels as their QB than with Nabers as their WR.

He was indeed the king of bad decisions. Yeah, I know, his OL sucked., etc. etc., but still his decision making was p__ poor, and that was a knock on him in college. It's also why I am hoping we don't go for Maye, who has been prone to some pretty bad decision making when pressured, from the tape I've seen...

Only 2 points in rebuttal: 1) Jacoby came in and lit it up with next to no time to prepare with that same line and group of receivers. 2) Far from being unlucky, he was probably the luckiest 5th rounder in many a moon to be given the keys to the kingdom with virtually no QB competition. He simply failed. That’s ok on him. I’m sure he’ll have a perfectly fine career in insurance sales.

I agree with what you said about RG3 ptsd influencing people’s thinking here a bit too much, and causing them to have an irrational bias against Daniels. I’m glad that AP and crew don’t seem to have that particular flaw in their thinking and hopefully won’t be swayed by that nonsense.

I wonder if the front office will actually allow this to factor into their decision. One QB is electric and fun to watch while the other is a bit more stiff and boring. As a team looking to revitalize fanbase interest after years of putrid play at the QB position, I think it actually is a legitimate factor to consider when making the decision. Man, I hope we take Daniels. It would make the games on Sundays a lot more fun for Commanders fans to watch than if we took Maye.

I would take it. In theory it looks like we’re giving up a lot but anything that lets us keep not only our first rounder but also our second rounder in 2025 is a huge win, IMO.

the only thing any rookie QB would learn from Sam is how to be terrible and how to throw pick 6s all the time. Hard pass on this. Also, I think the rest of the team would probably start an uprising if this were the case. Last season was already spent as a lost season because somehow the coaches couldn’t move on from Sam, and now you want to continue to still tie the Sam Howell albatross around this team’s neck for another season? No thank you.