HOF44 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Better factor in a sloppy field this weekend, looks like the rains a comin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 It's been well established that I believe that RG3 can be a pocket passer, but due to our OL being shoddy at times, sometimes that pocket is somewhere other than where it generally is. Hence the term, "pocket mover". He moves the pocket very well. He's not a run first pass second guy. If it's a pass play he passes unless all of his reads are covered.Okay.My post actually affirms that Griffin is a pocket passer and it wasn't even directed at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Okay.My post actually affirms that Griffin is a pocket passer and it wasn't even directed at you. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 ...Then how do you come to the conclusion that RG3 is the better QB?I judge them on the tangibles -- what I can see -- what they can do with their arm and legs.Robert is better because he can use both his arm and his legs as weapons. So, he needs less help to win than Matty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I think Matt Ryan is overrated, but I still think he is a good QB. The last two playoff games they have played have been about as pathetic as any I can remember. Last year they hung a "2" spot on the NYG, and the year before they got blown out at home by the Packers. If they don't win one this year (especially if it's a poor performance), he'll have to start answering some of the same questions Mr. Romo sits to pee did and still does to this day. And I think their coach is a real POS. He looks like he might be Danny Smith's long lost older brother. I wanna set that dude on fire. And Mattie Ice would've been a cool nickname in 1985, now...not so much. If you can't tell, I absolutely hate the Falcons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 How did MattFancy's post wind up first? I opened the thread and thought, "Great thread, bro." Then, "Well, at least KDawg saved it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 KDawg with the assist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Yes, you could start to see White we going to blow up big though in 2007 if he ever got a QB throwing to him. Vick gets a lot of Blake but I think I remember reading that White didn't really put in the time till Vick went to prison. Also, Joe Horn deserves a lot of credit for the development of Roddy White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Vick gets a lot of Blake but I think I remember reading that White didn't really put in the time till Vick went to prison. Also, Joe Horn deserves a lot of credit for the development of Roddy White. I remember that as well. In the latter part of Vick's career there, he and Michael Jenkins had a tendency to drop passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 I opened the thread and thought, "Great thread, bro." Then, "Well, at least KDawg saved it." I still think its funny that not only is my post the first one, but it says I started it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Yep, Jenkins isn't very good. Even with Ryan he never amounted to much. Ironic though Ryan's first nfl pass ever was a long td pass to Jenkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I still think its funny that not only is my post the first one, but it says I started it lol You would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Maybe KDawg is MattFancy? Hmmmm.:pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hammer Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Vick gets a lot of Blake but I think I remember reading that White didn't really put in the time till Vick went to prison. Also, Joe Horn deserves a lot of credit for the development of Roddy White. Vick just wasn't a good QB when he was in ATL. Whites stats dramatically improved once Vick was gone. I doubt it was because he was lazy. For that matter almost all the receivers looked better whenever Mike wasn't in the line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Atlanta board in case you're interested. http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/forum/45-talk-about-the-falcons/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Atlanta board in case you're interested.http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/forum/45-talk-about-the-falcons/ I really like some of the football talk on that thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Good stuff there One of these days, maybe the opposition team will be the one that needs to run the ball, to keep our offense off the field. Seeing where our offense is ranked, maybe we are on our way to finally hearing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I know, kinda off-topic but saw this on that Falcon board: http://profootballmock.com/?p=4810 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paredskinsfan Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 ^^^^^ that is some funny **** right there !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I know, kinda off-topic but saw this on that Falcon board: http://profootballmock.com/?p=4810 Stop stealing MattFancy's thunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Just saw the Vick talk pop up here. Vick never took anything off his passes in Atlanta. That's why his receivers dropped everything. People talk about how strong an arm is, but one thing Ryan does well is know when to take something off. There's no reason to throw a dart 4 yards to a wide open guy. Ryan makes a lot of different throws, and Vick pretty much strong arms it at 90 mph (at least in Atlanta, I think he's lost some velocity nowadays). That's what makes Ryan so good, and I'm not a guy that thinks he's as good as people make him out to be. I think there are maybe 10 QB's who could be running that offense just as good if not better. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Schaub, Manning, Manning, maybe Rivers, Stafford. And for the sake of not being a homer, I won't say one way or the other on RG3.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Steve Young was a QB whose numbers reflected a huge difference in performance after being traded. The huge performance difference can only be explained by differences in his support systems. The same is true for other QBs who made moves both up and down. So, QB PLUS support system = performance. Since Ryan is a QB that formula applies to him as well.. You need to actually watch some film of Steve Young with the 49ers. When he first got there he was essentially the same QB he had been in Tampa - most of his big plays came on broken plays, he ran a lot and was inconsistent on the timing plays Montana was brilliant at. His completion percentage his first 2 years in SF was just over 50% almost exactly the same as when he was at Tampa. He threw far fewer picks though and that might be about the supporting cast and not playing from behind like he was every week in Tampa. He was on the bench behind Montana his first few years in SF so that gave a young OC time to work with the natural ability both as an athlete and passer Young possessed. When he replaced Montana the offense he ran under that OC was an adaptation of Bill Walsh's blueprint - same route combinations but more run heavy with much more designed movement off run action to take advantage of Youngs ability to throw on the run. In his 3rd year in SF his completion percentage jumped to well over 60% and it newer dropped below this the rest of his time in SF. The OC of course was Mike Shanahan. IMO Steve Youngs improvement in SF was PARTLY a result of a much better supporting cast, PARTLY due to excellent coaching in developing Young as a passer and QB and PARTLY due to the maturation of Young himself. The difference in performance can be explained by other factors than just an improved supporting cast. To change tack slightly take a look at this break down of the Atlanta passing attack versus a cover 2 concept against the Panthers. Since we leave both our inside backers on the field on literally every snap look for Atlanta to look for opportunities to isolate White on a 'backer in the same way this week as well. I hope our defensive staff have been watching film this week and have an adjustment ready for this. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Playbook-Falcons-put-on-a-clinic-vs-Cover-2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 You need to actually watch some film of Steve Young with the 49ers. When he first got there he was essentially the same QB he had been in Tampa - most of his big plays came on broken plays, he ran a lot and was inconsistent on the timing plays Montana was brilliant at. His completion percentage his first 2 years in SF was just over 50% almost exactly the same as when he was at Tampa. He threw far fewer picks though and that might be about the supporting cast and not playing from behind like he was every week in Tampa... When I speak of supporting cast, I am thinking of everything:offense, defense, special teams and coaching.I have heard Steve Young comment on this point. He talks about "organizational support." He used Archie Manning as an example of an excellent QB who never got the help he needed. Archie and Steve Young had similar skill-sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 When I speak of supporting cast, I am thinking of everything:offense, defense, special teams and coaching. I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that the supporting cast as you describe it is not vital to a QBs development and success. However it still took Young to buy into what Shanny was selling and teaching - it was not until his 3rd year in that system and under Shanny that he started to become the QB we all remember. Some QBs with great talent just never get it whatever the supporting cast ... It was more than JUST the supporting cast however defined that accounts for the change in Young in SF and in Tampa. It was a big part though I will give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I apologize for all the gushing, by the way. I like both these guys a lot and wish them both the best... Except for Sunday and any other future Falcon/Redskin matchups. When that happens, I hope Ryan throws 8 interceptions. And fumbles. Six times. And we recover them all.---------- Post added October-4th-2012 at 09:42 AM ---------- How did MattFancy's post wind up first? I saw this happen in another thread yesterday and just looked past it. Something on the forums is bugged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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