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My fiance and I passed a car on 66 on Saturday morning. He had a big piece of posterboard in his rear window that said "I used to be gay, but Jesus saved me, now you can meet my WIFE" There were four "Jesus Saves" window flags, and he had his sunroof open with his right hand sticking straight up out of it pointing at the sky while he drove.

So DallasBlowsBig was in the DC area this weekend...

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I used to get nauseated every time I had sex with a man, literally. That was a huge clue that I should stop forcing myself to be heterosexual and just come out and live a true life. And I didn't want to hang out with men, once the sex was over, I was out of there. So the socially accpetable way for me to have sex at that time was to have sex with men.

Forcing oneself to do something that is not innate is not living a truthful life. And gays/lesbians who force themselves into heterosexuality just to please a religion, or society, or parents etc. are fooling themselves. Me personally, I could give a rat's a** what people think about me and me being lesbian. At least I am at peace with myself.

And don't think for one minute that everytime they have sexual thoughts they turn to the sex that they truly desire. So even when a gay man has sex with a woman, he's in his mind thinking about being with a man. And when a lesbian has sex with a man, she's thinking about having sex with a woman.

And there is a continum along the Kinsey line, and people can be fluid with who they have sex with. But it's not just about sex, there is the whole love aspect too.

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Another thread about the gay. Yippeee

Don't like it, don't read the thread. You have total control over your monitor and keyboard.

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I agree with the author in that there is certainly a level of fluidity in sexuality. Otherwise, there would not be any bisexuals.

What I find interesting is how Michael seems to shift from one radical position to another. He wasn't just a gay activist. He was a radical gay activist who believe Christians were evil. Now, he's a radical Christian. That sounds to me like someone with a greater struggle than just his sexuality. In five years, he could be a Scientologist, an eco-terrorist, or dead of suicide.

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Don't like it, don't read the thread. You have total control over your monitor and keyboard.

Just like sexual acts: you do that with the person you choose.

Choices are tough, and define your past.

Only your upcoming actions can define who you are going forward.

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Another thread about the gay. Yippeee

In the not too distant future I'm sure there will be feel good threads showing support to the Animal Lovers, Age Aint Nothing but a Number, and Legalize Sex Doll Marriage demographics, with vocal support demanding they be treated as normal. :rolleyes:

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In the not too distant future I'm sure there will be feel good threads showing support to the Animal Lovers, Age Aint Nothing but a Number, and Legalize Sex Doll Marriage demographics, with vocal support demanding they be treated as normal. :rolleyes:

Yep just like we will have people saying inter-racial marriage is destroying the sanctity of marriage. Oh wait, that actually happened and had a conservative following, the bull**** you made up hasn't been advanced by anyone except in bull**** arguments that try to dance around the issue of giving other people the same rights as everyone else.

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I have seen this in church, gay people that become straight. I don't care what anyone says, saying that you are born gay is a lie from the pit of hell. The people I heard become straight have said the same things, they felt like they were being let out of a years of a prison sentence. That's why as funny as it may seem, don't bash a gay person because a lot of them were sexually abused as kids and this caused them to become mentally unstable. We will never know the pain and suffering these people go through in their minds.

there are plenty of people that are straight, through and through, and that is that.

there are also plenty of people that are gay, through and through, and that is that.

and then there are ALSO plenty of people that are kinda ambiguous. Bi? whtever label?

There is only one thing that is absolutely clear: trying to pigeon hole everyone by a politicized anecdotal example that fits whatever idelogical "happy place" is gonna be gonna be fraught with failure.

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In the not too distant future I'm sure there will be feel good threads showing support to the Animal Lovers, Age Aint Nothing but a Number, and Legalize Sex Doll Marriage demographics, with vocal support demanding they be treated as normal. :rolleyes:

Right after America becomes the first Communist Socialist Caliphate and all the conservatives are rounded up and put in concentration camps, but just before Jesus comes back.

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Yep just like we will have people saying inter-racial marriage is destroying the sanctity of marriage. Oh wait, that actually happened and had a conservative following, the bull**** you made up hasn't been advanced by anyone except in bull**** arguments that try to dance around the issue of giving other people the same rights as everyone else.

Dumbing down morally Deviant behaviour to the point that you can pretend its normal yet people disagree with that POV and Racism are not the same thing. Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat and a progressive who had no problem with Jim Crow laws which included separating the races in the DC Government and in marriage.

And by the way I'm multiracial and so is Mrs ND so try using the race card on someone who will wuss out and shut up since it will never work with me.

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Dumbing down morally Deviant behaviour to the point that you can pretend its normal yet people disagree with that POV and Racism are not the same thing. Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat and a progressive who had no problem with Jim Crow laws which included separating the races in the DC Government and in marriage.

And by the way I'm multiracial and so is Mrs ND so try using the race card on someone who will wuss out and shut up since it will never work with me.

Why is the behavior deviant?

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Right after America becomes the first Communist Socialist Caliphate and all the conservatives are rounded up and put in concentration camps, but just before Jesus comes back.

Unlikely since Liberals don't like guns and always lead by example :rolleyes: and the military tends to lean Right thus the significant number of missing absentee ballots that show up way after elections are decided if at all.

Jesus? I saw him the other day. He was loading up on supplies to do some home improvement work in Charles County.

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Yes, gay people live in such a wonderful and accepting world. I'm not sure why everyone just doesn't choose to be gay.

Interesting you say that. Acceptance and tolerance are better than ignorance and hypocrisy. Acknowlege and accept people for who they are, respect them for what they are capable of. Seems simple to me.

Seems like he's still gay (i.e., he is still sexually attracted to men), but he is not a "practicing" gay.

So is DRSmith a practicing celibate ? I think you are on a reach here.

I agree with the author in that there is certainly a level of fluidity in sexuality. Otherwise' date=' there would not be any bisexuals.

What I find interesting is how Michael seems to shift from one radical position to another. He wasn't just a gay activist. He was a radical gay activist who believe Christians were evil. Now, he's a radical Christian. That sounds to me like someone with a greater struggle than just his sexuality. In five years, he could be a Scientologist, an eco-terrorist, or dead of suicide.[/quote']

Along with other religions that he already showed interest in. I agree his take on it is "night and day".

Good article to me and glad that it got some feedback here.

LSF, I do agree with your stance of not responding about certain topics. :cheers:

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Let's keep it PG in here please

My apologies.

Let's roll with manual, digital stimulation and the various (and most fun) definitions of sodomy.

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I could be wrong, but isn't it deviant by definition (removing all the negative connotations of that phrase)? I realize that people use that phrase as a criticism, but doesn't it just describe any behavior that deviates from the norm?

Fair point. I guess what makes it more "evil" than other, more acceptable forms of deviant behavior.

For all his moral certitude, NavyDave is not a Bible-thumper from what I can recall. So, I am curious as to how he makes this determination without theological reasoning.

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Dumbing down morally Deviant behaviour to the point that you can pretend its normal yet people disagree with that POV and Racism are not the same thing. Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat and a progressive who had no problem with Jim Crow laws which included separating the races in the DC Government and in marriage.

And by the way I'm multiracial and so is Mrs ND so try using the race card on someone who will wuss out and shut up since it will never work with me.

Only you would take a historically accurate and relevant comparison that happens to address race, and immediately bill it as "the race card." Oversubscribe much? :D

It's ironic because people tolerate your "socially deviant behavior" around here all the time, and "pretend it's normal" to be as deliberately intolerant as you are. You could at least return the favor, and exercise more tolerance for people who are different from you because largely they were born that way.

On a different note: Earlier in the thread, there was a suggestion that many anti-gay, hard-core religious folks call it "a choice" to be gay because it helps them justify their own decisions to get tangled up in the many rules and structures of the church. I don't agree with that at all. Instead, I think they're smart enough to realize that acknowledging the truth about gay people would be the death of their intolerant point of view. Once you acknowledge that gay people are largely born gay, you have no choice morally but to afford them the same rights, privileges and acceptance that everyone else gets. By casting gayness as "a choice," fearful people can justify their demeaning treatment of "the gay lifestyle" by pretending that being gay is just some kind of social disease and a sign of condemnable weakness in the bearer.

And that kind of deliberate ignorance is pathetic, but on the other hand we shouldn't judge, right? I mean, maybe they were born that way. :ols:

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Because it satisfiies no reproductive needs at all, it's disgusting

This is an excellent argument.

Protected sex satisfies no reproductive needs at all. Let's do away with that. And while were at it, I think ugly people having sex is pretty ****ing gross, so let's do away with that as well.

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Neither do handjobs.

Are you anti-handjobs?

Hand jobs from a woman to a man does lead eventually to reproductive acts....two guys have sex with each other doesn't .....it's immoral, even as a Dem, I am not supporting two guys putting rings on each other as marriage. I am sorry but if you have homosexual tendencies or urges, you need some serious help,counseling, medication maybe.

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