ES Feedback - Good idea? Bad idea? Let us know what you think.

[pjfootballer]

I just want to be able to coherently read what they are saying. In the Wizards forum, there is one guy (no names please) who is incredibly knowledgable of the Wizards and their roster, but like others in here, he uses initials for the players names. I just can't do that much thinking. Sometimes someone will say "I think we should get rid of PD" and I honestly can't figure it out. Phillip Daniels by the way.

[LD0506]

:laugh: @ vulgarity. This catering to people because they may lack the knowledge and don't care to find out the meanings (ignorance) has got to stop. This forum already enforces enough censorship.

vul·gar·i·ty

1. The quality or condition of being vulgar.

2. Something, such as an act or expression, that offends good taste or propriety.

I know the meaning of the word and I used it precisely the way I intended. l33t-speak gibberish is an offense to the language, and people deciding not to dumb down their conversation with it hardly qualifies as ignorance. I know what pedophilia is and I do not practice it, I guess I am ignorant there as well.

You go off the deep end characterizing anything that goes on here as censorship, and insult the people that maintain this board in the process. Expecting someone not to throw garbage on the ground is not oppression, resenting taggers defacing your neighborhood with graffitti is not bigotry. I know I am not the only one that appreciates the fact that ES aspires to a higher standard.

[stevenaa]

It's a form of censorship not community service.

Censorship would be preventing someone from expressing their opinion, feelings or beliefs. This site has never been about that. Go to another football site and get banned immediately when you state you are a competing team's fan, and you'll experience censorship. Wanting to maintain a reasonable standard of discourse is hardly censorship. Chat speak is great in a medium where you don't have space or easy ability to type in "proper" english. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to use local colloquialisms, slang, or even be lazy and use some well used abbreviations. But using abbreviations for entire posts is going too far, IMO. I'm not sure a rule should be created, but I do think the community should demand more from it's members. Why be satisfied with less than we are capable of?

[smoke-n-mirrors]

Not a big deal to me. Although it did take me a while to figure out IMO! I'm kinda slow I guess.

[Springfield]

Seeing as how my post from the Tailgate was used in this thread I feel compelled to give my opinion. I'm totally against any sort of censorship. People can write how they see fit, different strokes for different folks. That said, I hold the opinion of a well written person to a higher regard than someone who writes like they haven't graduated middle school. Writing with good spelling and grammar goes a long way to making a person look educated regardless of their intellegence. That would be my argument for people to write with correct spelling and grammar.

PS: I voted no.

[Koolblue13]

As a horrible speller and armed with minimal grammer skills, I would like to say that I can't stand text speak, even when texting and don't allow it in daily conversations.

We already monitor the boards, by harrasing the crap out of anybody who does it. No more rules.

[Thinking Skins]

There are things that confuse me like QFT, but its just a matter of getting to know the online lingo more than it is something about breaking a rule. As far as the spelling stuff goes, its kinda annoying sometimes, but more often than not people can see what the OP means. And if not, they can just ask a question like we do now. I have no problem with thiss stuff, and I'd be against such a rule.

[TotalRecall]

No rule needed. The obvious ones will be picked out by the grammar police.

[HapHaszard]

I don't see where its a problem, if I can't understand the posted thread, I go on to the next, I've lost maybe 10 seconds, but I'm upset about it. Not every thread interests me anyway.

[KNGwithOUTaCrwN]

theres no need for a rule like this.typing that way is jst so much faster and makes things easier for everyone. it doesnt make it look dumb or anything....no need to add a rule for something as small as this.....

[Skeletor The Invincible]

As someone who has been here pre-merger:

No.

For God's sake, No.

No rule.

Use common sense.

If some topic is unreadable, close it. Or kill it. Or, more often than not, just go on to the next one.

But don't create an "umbrella rule" about it.

Use common sense.

[kingdaddy]

I want to preface this by saying that yes, I am 20 years old.

I do not tend to write my posts with IM lingo. I also do not think that the forum rules should say that you cannot use that kind of lingo because it is a message board. We are all individuals AND fans of the Redskins. We should be talking about our team, rather than taking shots at each other over spelling and grammar etc. I notice it, and it does sometimes bother me, but who cares as long as I understand the poster's message. Sometimes people have very good things to say that are never seen because they don't type perfectly and I think that is a shame.

Just my 2 cents...

What he said.

[TomE]

...I'm totally against any sort of censorship. People can write how they see fit, different strokes for different folks....

Censorship is about what one says, this thread is addressing how one says it.

Certainly, folks can “write as they see fit” but should they?

One who chooses to post “in tongues” is effectively censoring himself by not coherently expressing his thoughts and opinions to the group he is addressing.

If that same poster is being cryptic in order to exclude this diverse group from his meaning then the purpose of this forum is defeated.

Acronyms, IM shorthand and the “vernacularized” typos (pwned, paloffs,n00b, etc.) all have their place but if one really expects to be heard then choose a language that reaches all that are willing to listen.

PS: I voted no.

Me too.

[Doctorfro]

Soapbox: Our society puts no expectations on our youth or anyone else for that matter. Let's behave and act like we're intelligent beings and write the language like it's supposed to be spoken. The other Instant Messenger-speak is just lazy. I am not perfect when it comes to spelling or grammar but I think a person's credibility is tainted when they write terms like "omg" and the like. Heck, we're bad enough when we write HTTR, FA, FO, and OC. Maybe there's a happy medium but I'll be darned if I know where it is.

[S.T.21 will eat you alive]

R U Srius?

(I said, "Are you serious?".)

Just so the Government doesn't bust me for discriminating against IM illiterate folks

[Jumbo]

JCSMCPCCrskins--This thread is dumb---

This statement is dumb. It's an opinion which is fine, but as a statement it is dumb. The thread is an open discussion with many comments. Discussion is good. See the difference? Since you are talented enough to write a "grammar free post" :laugh: I'm sure you can.

Also, 21, the moderator who started the thread, is sensitive.

what is this message board high an mighty and above all the rest?

"high and mighty" are your idiosyncratic choice of descriptors, so I will leave them alone. Some folks have spent a lot of time to make the board quite special, however, so I will state that as a fact. I think most here will say its the best board overall of its type they have seen.

All the older people who did not grow up talking that way in IMs, I can see how you do not like it. However this is the internet and this is the way people talk informally, if you dont like it pick up a phone or start your own message board with those elite rules.

Actually, the "older people" you're speaking of are the ones who did start up their own message board (you're on it now) and made the rules to keep it special and built it up to this level of quality and may make more rules if needed.

But I don't think we need this rule at this time. We use a lot of abbreviations here now, and its hard to me to justify singling out one "set" unless it becomes a bigger source of problem than it seems to be now.

If you can understand what the person said than get over yourself.

I am confident that the instructor who grades your grammar free papers has got over your apparent struggle here to follow your own advice.

[Mooka]

Thanks for asking for our feedback, kudos.

But uh, do you mods actually want to enforce this kind of rule? I'm guessing it would be a severe pain in the ass and would take some heavy moderation to enforce it.

[SKINS FAN #56]

Yeah there should be atleast some rule against those people who type paragraphs with no spaces in between.

Though they might bring up some good points, reading it is annoying as hell.

[motorhead]

Us old guys can learn. What does HTTR mean anyway. :whoknows:But then again do we DOM know.

[csizemore11]

some people are too anal

Me secon thwat!:cop:

[dewyane]

What would Riggo Do? What would John Wayne do? What would Jesus do? Would any of these guys change their style in order to get their message accross? I don't think so. Why should we be considering a socialist approach on grammar. How about we let Liberty stand in ES. Let us not become the correct lingo nazi's in here. This is a community website. Some of us deal with the pc pr and parking ticket nazi's all day at work. Why would any of us want to consider dealing with them here for entertainment?

[DRSmith]

Will this rule end up meaning more people get the nnt label or bans?

[Special K]

While I find many of the "short-hand" text-message type posts annoying, I simply skip over them and move on. I agree that those types of posts are frustrating to have to wade through, and I do believe it's an issue that needs to be addressed, I just don't think it is necessary to implement a censorship rule.

Like some people have already suggested, I think there should be some sort of "reminder" blurb on this topic in the forum rules under the "Please respect other ES members" rule.

Another possibility would be to NOT count those types of posts toward a member's total post count. I don't know if there's some way moderators could sift through these posts and remove post counts on serial offenders...that would probably be too large of a task I guess. I don't know, it's just that I have noticed that a lot of people who use this abbreviated language tend to be repeat offenders and continually do this to boost their count. By removing incentive to post crap like this, it might force people to add something quasi-intelligent to the conversation.

Anyway, just a few thoughts.....

[LD0506]

Sad but true keeast, but as much as people claim others pad their post count I think that even if they eliminated the post count altogether we'd still see the same things. I'd like to see it in profiles or something but not under the avatar the way it is now. People make far too much out of it.

I am surprised at how many people seem worried that there is going to be a big new ES banhammer with a copy of Webster's for the head. There is a phrase for something like this, it is called a "trial balloon". Ideas get floated to test responses, to get the thought circulating without having to burn in on anyone's flesh and maybe, just MAYBE, the fact that it gets discussed makes the point without having to do anything further. Just my take on it anyway.

[DRSmith]

I think what we need to ask ourselves is WWJD