nonniey Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Sometimes I think society (or the PC part at least) has lost it's collective mind on some issues, this being one. "Child psychiatrist Susan Bradley was a pioneer in treating kids with gender-identity disorders. In the 1970s, she founded the child and adolescent gender identity clinic at the Clarke Institute in Toronto, which eventually became part of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH). Back then, the field was virtually unknown. Today, it is Ground Zero in a fierce battle between oldfangled psychiatry and transgender activists who insist that practitioners like Dr. Bradley are guilty of child abuse. Caught in the middle are confused parents, well-meaning schools, and – most important of all – troubled and bewildered kids. The new rush to turn little Jason into Janey, or Sally into Sam, is generally regarded (in the media, at least) as progress – proof of what a tolerant and progressive society we’ve become. But what if it’s just another fad? What if the radical step of changing genders isn’t always the right answer for a child’s emotional distress – especially when that child is only 10 or 6, or 3? “Some of these kids are quite significantly ill,” says Dr. Bradley. “They often have serious family problems and anxiety disorders. Or they’ve had serious trauma. A girl I saw had been raped, and after that she decided she was going to be a male. If you didn’t pay attention to the trauma you’re not doing that kid a service. These days, that eminently reasonable view is being challenged by people who believe that children’s sexual confusion should automatically be taken at face value. ........." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-raging-battle-over-transgender-kids/article24333224/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Well thank the holy L Ron Hubbard narrow minded pricks don't run the world. No one is giving kids sex changes, read the article, some kids have gender identity issues due to trauma. A very close friend of mine is trans, and if you had the intestinal fortitude to hear what has happened in their life, you might understand, but then again you would probably just call them crazy. You are entitled to your opinion, it doesn't make you right though. At least this is not hate speech. Every human has the right to live how they want. Don't judge and don't assume that all they need is a bit of fixing to make them "normal" like you. To end this rant, guess what the saddest part about being transgender and wanting to get a sex change? A mental health professional denies surgery based on a gender identity issue that requires treatment first. Fix everything in your head before we modify anything else. Imagine if that was a requirement for every surgery: no heart surgery unless you stop smoking, no stomach stapling until you can prove you know how to eat a salad, no breast implants until you prove you can't grow them bigger on your own. They might be weird to you, but they are still human beings. Walk a mile in their shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I have no idea how to approach this situation. But i cannot deny I have thought about it considerably over the last few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Every human has the right to live how they want. Don't judge and don't assume that all they need is a bit of fixing to make them "normal" like you. First off, no they don't. Second, we're taking about children. The same children who are not mature enough to drink, drive, smoke, vote, or sign up for the military. But suddenly they can make insanely life altering decisions about something they are years away from even remotely comprehending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 "I think I want to be a boy" is an "insanely life altering decision"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 "I think I want to be a boy" is an "insanely life altering decision"? When born with a vagina, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 "I think I want to be a boy" is an "insanely life altering decision"? When the parents push for the "boy" to be allowed to use the boys bathroom, dress in boy clothes, and basically live life as a boy starting at the age of 4 then it's kind of hard to go back without a lot of fallout. I would call that life altering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 When the parents push for the "boy" to be allowed to use the boys bathroom, dress in boy clothes, and basically live life as a boy starting at the age of 4 then it's kind of hard to go back without a lot of fallout. I would call that life altering. You say that based on your experiences as a therapist, dealing with that subject? And, if the results are so clearly devastating, that wouldn't that suggest that said therapists know that? But, we all know that letting kids dress funny will scar them for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm just being honest when i say this is unthinkable to me, i can't wrap my brain around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm just being honest when i say this is unthinkable to me, i can't wrap my brain around it. I hear you. To me, any kid doing this is a really big signal that help is needed. But I'm not certain that said therapist needs to be ordered, in advance, to pick one "side" or "the other". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm just being honest when i say this is unthinkable to me, i can't wrap my brain around it. Thats kinda where I'm at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 There was a thread a few months (years?) ago on transgender issues. A very complicated subject. The suicide rate in the trans community is shocking and I hope we can find a way to bring that down. What is also interesting is the debate of intersex surgery and how to deal with children who may be born with ambiguous sexual ID. For years we simply picked a gender, had surgery, and moved on with pretty disastrous results at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Yeah, somehow I suspect that the odds of this problem having a simple solution that can be applied to every single person is gonna be rather low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm with major.. i have no idea. No single solution. What do you do with a kid who wants to be a fireman? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 This is a complicated issue that is made a million times more difficult with the politics that are dragged into it from both sides. Adults can't have frank and open discussions about it, both sides demand that we follow their lead and nod our heads. Kids should never be caught up in this. In a perfect world they wouldn't know either side if this issue exists at all and they'd be allowed to simply be children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm with major.. i have no idea. No single solution. What do you do with a kid who wants to be a fireman? ~Bang Exactly, don't judge unless you know the whole story, and if you don't want to know or don't think you can help, there is nothing wrong in admitting that. The help & support I offer my trans friend might be completely useless to another trans person. To add to an already complicated issue, I refer people to Bruce Jenner's interview. Mental health professionals noted that gender identity does not equal sexual identity. Bruce apparently is sexually attracted to women but not all male to female trans people are sexually attracted to women. so this issue is not as simple as a gay person in denial who likes to play dress up & just needs a good hit on the head to set them right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 First off, no they don't. ? Well then I guess you don't have the right to live your life the way you want. Care to listen to my list of recommendations on how to improve your life?1. If you don't have anything nice to say, well.... 2. If it's not your kid, is it really any of your business? Nobody is perfect, just doing the best with the hand they where dealt. Being trans makes NOTHING easier in the long run, but it might be something that helps someone get through some massive trauma. First trans person in America to achieve notoriety: a returning war vet (WWII) male to female suffering from what today would be called PTSD. The second: Bruce Jenner. RuPaul was a drag queen, know the difference. No one is asking anyone to understand, just don't hate or judge, trans people have had it hard enough already & don't need another uneducated or uniformed opinion thrown in their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 You don't have the right to live your life the way you want. Society would not function. Your recommendations are useless to me. My life is fine, thank you. 1. No one has said anything "not nice." 2. Yea, actually, it is. Or should I just ignore when a child is being abused/molested/bullied every other time too? Sorry, I'm not Mike McQueary. You can stand off to the side with your ilk. Children don't know what trans is. They can't tell you the difference between gender and sex.You simply raise them to respect others and stand up for themselves. They'll be able to figure it out as adults. But you damn sure don't paint them in to a corner any more than you would tell a girl she can't play with legos because they are "boys toys." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Or should I just ignore when a child is being abused/molested/bullied every other time too? Sorry, I'm not Mike McQueary. You can stand off to the side with your ilk. Wait, is that really what you meant to say there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Bruce Jenner has been mentioned twice now, so I have to add this. His story would be a much more heart warming if I didn't know he just killed someone because he was simply not paying attention behind the wheel. It bugs me that it's not a crime because "the only thing wrong he was doing was not paying attention" and it's unlikely he'll even face a civil trial because the woman killed had no relatives to speak of. I'm glad he's finally coming out about who he really is though. He was a big big name so he'll definitely help awareness. But yeah, dude killed someone and it was his fault. Kind of a big deal IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 From the article, in the middle. Find it and read the rest: Today the clinic is run by Dr. Kenneth Zucker, one of the world leaders in the field. He has been forbidden to speak with the media. But Dr. Bradley, who, at 75, no longer has a formal relationship with CAMH, is free to speak. She points out that “conversion” therapy, which tries to turn gay people straight, is based on a religious belief that homosexuality is unnatural and contrary to God’s will. Instead, CAMH’s therapeutic practise is the same as that of other leading gender clinics in Europe and North America. All work with the family and the kids to find the most positive outcome for the child. Often, the gender confusion resolves by adolescence. Sometimes the child turns out to be gay. Sometimes the best answer is transition. But Dr. Bradley cautions that transition is a radical step – involving surgery and a lifetime regime of hormone therapy – and that the road, under the best of circumstances, is rocky. “The child is going to find himself in a really difficult situation,” she points out. “You can argue that it’s society that should change. But despite all the in-betweens that are emerging, we are a two-gender society.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Bruce Jenner has been mentioned twice now, so I have to add this. His story would be a much more heart warming if I didn't know he just killed someone because he was simply not paying attention behind the wheel. It bugs me that it's not a crime because "the only thing wrong he was doing was not paying attention" and it's unlikely he'll even face a civil trial because the woman killed had no relatives to speak of. I'm glad he's finally coming out about who he really is though. He was a big big name so he'll definitely help awareness. But yeah, dude killed someone and it was his fault. Kind of a big deal IMO. Very true & Jenner needs to be held accountable. 1 fact though: accident happened after the interview was taped but before it aired. I'm not absolving Jenner, but I bet they would admit (privately not in a court of law) that they should not have been driving that day, probably due to stress. I feel bad for the victim, I'm sure Jenner does as well. Sometimes when it rains it pours and Jenner is in the middle of a hurricane right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Can't say I wouldn't be disappointed if my son told me he wanted to be a girl. That's real talk. It's a thing though, and our society is better suited to handle it today than it was 100 years ago when they would just lobotomize the gender confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Folks so far two members have received warnings for being dissrespectful to other members in this thread - and it's only 23 posts old. This is an emotive topic but take a deep breath before posting and stick to attacking other posters logic, arguments or position NOT the poster themselves. Which is what you should be doing in every thread by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I consider this child abuse. It's reinforcing the concepts of "masculine" and "feminine". If a boy wants to play with dolls or likes to wear dresses, then he must be a girl! If a girl likes to play with trucks and wear jeans all the time then she must be a boy! Under that criteria, then I must be a boy because I hated playing with dolls and wearing dresses. Why can't boys play with dolls and wear dresses and still be considered a boy? Why can't girls play with trucks and wear jeans and still be a girl? Toys and clothing have no gender/sex. Is it because these children who are gender non-conforming might be homosexxxual? Oh the horror! We must convince them that they are the opposite sex, give them hormone blocker drugs that were not intended for that purpose, rush them into cosmetic surgery to make their genitals appear to be the opposite sex, remove healthy reproductive organs, and sentence them to a life on artificial hormones to mimic the opposite sex without knowing what those drugs will do to their bodies over long time use, even when there is no data related to long term use of those drugs? There is no way in this Earth that sex can be changed. XX cannot be changes to XY and XY cannot be changed to XX. Think about the reasons Iran does so many "sex changes". They kill homosexuals, but give them an out if one of them will get the government sponsored sex change operation. None of this makes sense. Why aren't we accepting the children as they are without assigning some stupid patriarchal notion of masculinity or femininity to their every action? And why are we doing this to children, who cannot sign contracts until they are 18, of legal age of consent? The Medical Industrial complex is on board with the trans phenomena because look at all the dollars this will generate! Yay for Big Pharma and doctors who are promoting this child abuse!! Better a trans child than a homosexual one? I am writing in a sarcastic tone because it warrants it. As far as intersex children, instead of choosing one sex or the other, the thought is to let the child decide when they are of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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