Which Player Woud You Select at #5?

[Burgold]

Some of you BPA guys are going to be really frustrated with McCloughin when with our first round draft pick with no trade downs he chooses a place holder.  This guy will be the highest rated placeholder in NFL history. Then follows it up in the second round by drafting a long snapping tight end.

[Commander Adama]

BPA is Amari Cooper for me at this point.

[Commander Adama]

Kevin White.

 

Dude has skills on skills and will make defenses look silly for a long time to come.

[ThomasRoane]

Cooper is just going to be a beast WR at this level.  White is a little faster and a little taller, but so much more raw.  Cooper over White every day of the week for us.

 

 

I dunno why everyone is so high on Cooper except for the press he gets.  He's six-footish and has the body type of Garcon.  Not blazing speed and he had some injury concerns the last two years.  A #5 in the first round has to be of exceptional potential.  I agree with Mayock that White has a much higher ceiling.  The Redskins need to build for the future so potential is more important to me.  Plus White has the size that the Redskins lack.  He's listed at 6'3.5" (vitally important in the red zone) and had blazing speed.  His ability to track the long ball is almost D-Jax good.

[mistertim]

I dunno why everyone is so high on Cooper except for the press he gets.  He's six-footish and has the body type of Garcon.  Not blazing speed and he had some injury concerns the last two years.  A #5 in the first round has to be of exceptional potential.  I agree with Mayock that White has a much higher ceiling.  The Redskins need to build for the future so potential is more important to me.  Plus White has the size that the Redskins lack.  He's listed at 6'3.5" (vitally important in the red zone) and had blazing speed.  His ability to track the long ball is almost D-Jax good.

Agree about Cooper. No doubt he is a good WR but he has never really "wowed" me. Runs great routs, is quick and shifty after the catch but I don't see him as a guy who will ever be a dude who will really make your eyes pop (ala AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc). I think White is obviously more raw but he has that potential IMO. To be honest, I would probably take DeVante Parker before Cooper. He and White at the kind of guys who you can just throw it in their general vicinity and they'll go up and get it...which is what we REALLY need. Garcon is physical and good after the catch but he isn't a very good contested ball guy...seems to time his jumps poorly. DJax is our speedy deep threat. We really lack that safety valve who will make the crazy catches and has sure hands. Parker was only credited with 3 drops since 2012 which is pretty amazing.

[jflow78]

It would really depend on who's left. If Beasley, Fowler, and Williams are gone, well I guess I'm going WR or, hopefully, trading back. I really don't have much of a preference this year.

[Bishop Hammer]

Outside of Beasley thats how I feel. But Cooper would be my second option.

[bedlamVR]

it may be something of a luxury pick but I think Beasley would be my choice. Not that I do not like Fowler, but I think we have seen that play out before. I think Fowler could be double figure sack guy in time but very Orakpoish as he does not seem to finish plays and seems limited going forward . Beasley may be undersized but with Murphy rotating in with him could be a pass rush specialist that makes this defence something special. 

[HTTRDynasty]

I dunno why everyone is so high on Cooper except for the press he gets.  He's six-footish and has the body type of Garcon.  Not blazing speed and he had some injury concerns the last two years.  A #5 in the first round has to be of exceptional potential.  I agree with Mayock that White has a much higher ceiling.  The Redskins need to build for the future so potential is more important to me.  Plus White has the size that the Redskins lack.  He's listed at 6'3.5" (vitally important in the red zone) and had blazing speed.  His ability to track the long ball is almost D-Jax good.

 

What makes you say Cooper doesn't have blazing speed?  He ran the 40 faster than Kevin White did.  They made a mistake at his combine and gave him the wrong time, which they then retracted after people pointed to this video (the media guys got the names mixed up, but you can clearly see Cooper beating White):

 

 

@Rand_Getlin: Teams have been informed that WR Amari Cooper ran the 40-yard dash between 4.35 and 4.38 seconds at the Combine

 

[Wyvern]

Odd poll -- Skins would be picking 5th, but only Winston and Williams have been picked ahead of Washington's pick. Did two of the teams picking before the Skins decide to pass on their picks?

Well I'll take it as an exercise on who I HOPE the Skins were able to pick at 5.

First choice would be: Fowler ... because at only 20, I think he can develop further. (Something about Beasley makes me feel he'll be only fair at stopping the run.)

Second choice would be: White ... Although Cooper seem shows to show nearly the same amount of promise, I just liked the way White seemed to promise more upside with more coaching, and would be a great successor to one of the three WRs currently on the Skins roster.

[RedBeast]

Cooper is the safe pick for WR...but I really want someone tall and aggressive like White. Its the one year wonder that worries me. We have bet on "upside," and lost, so many times I am gun shy.

[goskins10]

I dunno why everyone is so high on Cooper except for the press he gets.  He's six-footish and has the body type of Garcon.  Not blazing speed and he had some injury concerns the last two years.  A #5 in the first round has to be of exceptional potential.  I agree with Mayock that White has a much higher ceiling.  The Redskins need to build for the future so potential is more important to me.  Plus White has the size that the Redskins lack.  He's listed at 6'3.5" (vitally important in the red zone) and had blazing speed.  His ability to track the long ball is almost D-Jax good.

 

 

Cooper also has drop problems. 13 drops over the last 2 season, many in critical situations. He is a poor mans Garcon IMO. Also, he is not the kind of WR Scot M looks for. He likes the bigger guys which is what we lack. I think if we go WR unless he is gone already, it will be Kevin White.

 

There are good arguments to be made for just any pick from the people listed. Not sure you could go very wrong outside of bad luck (injury). Even Cooper, esp if he cleans up his drops. Put him on the field with Garcon and DJax and Defs will have a lot of trouble covering all 3.

 

My choice would be Brandon Scherff. You can plug him at LG next to Trent and just forget about him as he goes to 5 or 6 probowls over the next 10 yrs. He also provides depth at T. But Beasley, Fowler, Ray, White, all good choices. I would not be upset with any.

[Warhead36]

I think Cooper is solid but I'm not sure he'll be a star. I mean some people say hes Marvin Harrison but I could easily see him being Pierre Garcon as goskins above me said. Not really elite size or speed but is just polished and knows how to play the game. Do you really just want a solid, pretty good WR with the #5 pick? You can find someone like that in the middle rounds. On the flip side, if he really is Marvin Harrison, he'd absolutely be worth it. Definitely a gambe though...

 

Kevin White petrifies me. I would absolutely not take him at pick #5. He could be a monster but those one year wonders always scare me. Every year there are WR prospects who have all the talent in the world but never figure it out. I'm not sure if we're the right team that can develop him. If he went to a team like the Giants though, that could be scary(Beckham/White duo, holy cow...)but I just don't think we have the coaching stability to develop that kind of talent.

[mistertim]

I think Cooper is solid but I'm not sure he'll be a star. I mean some people say hes Marvin Harrison but I could easily see him being Pierre Garcon as goskins above me said. Not really elite size or speed but is just polished and knows how to play the game. Do you really just want a solid, pretty good WR with the #5 pick? You can find someone like that in the middle rounds. On the flip side, if he really is Marvin Harrison, he'd absolutely be worth it. Definitely a gambe though...

 

Kevin White petrifies me. I would absolutely not take him at pick #5. He could be a monster but those one year wonders always scare me. Every year there are WR prospects who have all the talent in the world but never figure it out. I'm not sure if we're the right team that can develop him. If he went to a team like the Giants though, that could be scary(Beckham/White duo, holy cow...)but I just don't think we have the coaching stability to develop that kind of talent.

Unless he really sees almost sure-fire superstar potential, I don't really see SM selecting White. Not enough time and production under his belt, given SM's draft history. Which is a shame, because I think he will be a beast after a bit of polishing. As I said earlier, not really feeling Cooper at 5. He is "safe" but I agree with what you said...I don't see him ever really being a superstar. A good WR, but not elite or a game changer. I could see maybe picking Parker but I doubt it would be with the 5th pick (though I think if he hadn't been injured for part of the season he would easily be in the running for a top 5 spot). If we traded back a bit and picked him up I think that would be a steal.

 

Cooper's drop issues also bug me. I'm sick of guys with the dropsies and as someone else noted he seems to do it in critical situations. 13 drops in 2 years is quite a bit. I want a guy who will catch pretty much anything thrown to him.

[s0crates]

I don't follow college ball too closely, so I don't know who to pick, but my general philosophy is to draft fat boys.

Football games are won and lost in the trenches, and the mass and talent needed there is the rarest of rare commodities. Skill positions players are much easier to find.

So I say take the best linemen (either offensive or defensive) on the board. I'll let you guys tell me who might fit the bill.

[mistertim]

I don't follow college ball too closely, so I don't know who to pick, but my general philosophy is to draft fat boys.

Football games are won and lost in the trenches, and the mass and talent needed there is the rarest of rare commodities. Skill positions players are much easier to find.

So I say take the best linemen (either offensive or defensive) on the board. I'll let you guys tell me who might fit the bill.

Agree the trenches are extremely important, however what we need is Guards and a RT...both of which can be found in later rounds with good scouting. In fact most of the top Guards in the NFL were picked outside of the 1st round. Lots of people here want Scherff and move him to Guard but IMO 5 is a huge reach for a Guard and a reach for him in general. He is a great lineman but not elite IMO. If we traded back I could possibly see it, but even top 10 is very high for a Guard when some of the top Guards in the league were picked in rounds 2-4

[Probos]

I'd take Cooper,....no question.

[Wyndorf25]

I'm liking the case for Beasley more and more. If you want one sure thing and that is edge-rushing prowess, then you go with the BEST prospect at doing THAT. If that is Beasley, then so be it. Trust that he can add bulk and not get flattened by pulling O-lineman who will try to run right at our #5 overall pick over and over again.

 

The reason I am thinking Beasley over Fowler is the presence of Murphy. Beasley would give the Redskins what they originally hoped Orakpo would and if he fails, Trent Murphy remains a "poor-man's" Fowler.

 

Unless, of course, if Fowler turns out to be something more like Khalil Mack...

 

However, I would not be upset if Scot and the Redskins brass felt that the BPA was WR White or Cooper at #5.

 

That being said, I would be NOT happy if Mariota is the selection at 5 if only because I think Mariota is too much like RG3 and is a project to become a starter in the NFL, just like the Redskins have in year 3 of RG3 (injuries included). That would feel like a re-boot at the QB position at the expense of making the rest of the team stronger.

[Alexa]

Beasley all day long. He's just what we need on our defense.

[ThomasRoane]

What makes you say Cooper doesn't have blazing speed?  He ran the 40 faster than Kevin White did.  They made a mistake at his combine and gave him the wrong time, which they then retracted after people pointed to this video (the media guys got the names mixed up, but you can clearly see Cooper beating White):

 

I didn't catch the mistake on the 40.  My larger point is Cooper seems like another Garcon.  We have one of those who probably has at least 3 good years left.  What we don't have is a guy over 6'3" that can run neck and neck with Cooper. 

[mistertim]

I didn't catch the mistake on the 40.  My larger point is Cooper seems like another Garcon.  We have one of those who probably has at least 3 good years left.  What we don't have is a guy over 6'3" that can run neck and neck with Cooper. 

And who can go up and snag contested balls. I rarely saw Cooper do that but both White and Parker are beasts at that...with Parker having a bit better hands. He just makes it look easy when he times his jumps and snatches the ball out of the air at it's highest point. The defenders really just don't have much of a chance. One scouting report I saw on him the guy said "Even when Parker isn't open, he's open". 

[Boss_Hogg]

Amazing talent options. 

 

I chose Brandon Scherff.

 

Have a feeling Cooper is going to the Raiders. 

[mistertim]

Amazing talent options. 

 

I chose Brandon Scherff.

 

Have a feeling Cooper is going to the Raiders. 

I think they go White. Just too much pure physical talent and upside for them to pass up. Remember, this is the Raiders we're talking about. 

 

I'd be fine with Scherff if we trade down, but at 5 its a huge reach.

[Bishop Hammer]

I agree. Him or Shelton would be fine in the mid first round, maybe bottom of the top ten. But there are far more prominent impact players the Skins can get at the fifth.

[Birdlives]

Shelton.

I'm big on front line talent and would pick an A- lineman over an outside player with an A grade. If the differences were not too big, I'm going lineman all day. Since there really isn't a top end O-lineman, I'll take a potentially dominating nose. Shelton, with NFL caliber training and coaching can potentially be a force of nature inside.