The Official 2024 NFL Draft Day Thread

[Going Commando]

Didn't realize Sinnott was so low on the consensus boards.  I had him at 58 on my board, so for me we got him at about his natural slot.  I don't understand why he was outside the top 100 for so many sources.  What am I missing?  I didn't see any weaknesses and he popped on film like LaPorta did last year.

[Skinsinparadise]

Just now, Going Commando said:

Didn't realize Sinnott was so low on the consensus boards.  I had him at 58 on my board, so for me we got him at about his natural slot.  I don't understand why he was outside the top 100 for so many sources.  What am I missing?  I didn't see any weaknesses and he popped on film like LaPorta did last year.

 

Yeah he was my 2nd TE when I ranked TEs.   He made my guys list, too

 

But I noticed PFF, Brugler among others weren't that high on him.

 

He can do it all, agree.   And he has both good production and a good RAS score.

 

Only thing about him that I can see some hesitate on his seperation skills don't jump out at me watching him in the same way like for example Laporta did last year.

[skinsmania123]

5 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

Didn't realize Sinnott was so low on the consensus boards.  I had him at 58 on my board, so for me we got him at about his natural slot.  I don't understand why he was outside the top 100 for so many sources.  What am I missing?  I didn't see any weaknesses and he popped on film like LaPorta did last year.

I really like the pic and read more about him based upon what people posted on here to be honest.

 

  Some in the media have claimed he is an "average" route runner and struggles to consistently make clean breaks.  And that he is an average blocker, but he has put weight on his frame, which should help.  

 

I think he is pretty versatile. You can line him up in the slot or the backfield and seems to exploit soft spots in coverage, which Kelce with Kansas City does a lot.  

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

PFf blocking grades.  Barner best, Sinnott 2nd best, feels right to me,

 

PFF is weird about Sinnott like they were with Quan Martin last year.  They both scored well on their individual metrics but they felt the sum of their parts is less than the whole.

 

I disagreed with them about Martin.  And I disagree with them about Sinnott

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Sidebar.  

 

Hearing about Peters working around the clock nonstop and barely even saw his familly since he got here. Quinn I heard has been coming in 5 amish in the off season and has gone at it nonstop,

 

I appreciate Ron being a nice guy working for a douche owner and an organization desperate for class.  But aside from that with the benefit of hindsight he was a poor man's Bruce Allen (but way classier than Bruce). 

 

Like Bruce, he treated mediocrity like success and with an odd swagger and complacency about their off seasons.  Bruce in retrospect was better with personnel.  Both both below average at their job.  I'll grant Dan made them along everyone worse at their jobs.  Both were obsessed with winning off the field.  Bruce lost off the field big time though claimed victory.  Ron actually did win off the field but seemed to want to be celebrated for it as if that alone changed the culture.   To me changing the culture isn't just about not being a douche -- its also about building a winning culture.  Building a winning culture isn't about being a nice guy alone.

 

Sheehan rebroadcasted this off season Ron's farewell press conference in Carolina and the dude came off a bit angry and defiant.  And he came here with the swagger of there was nothing to learn from his mediocre run in Carolina.

 

Quinn is 180 from that.  He's so obsessed with being a better HC he hired a firm to interview people he's worked with to scope out how to do it better.  He comes off manical in his desire to kill it this time

 

It's tough to build Rome in a day.  But my gut is that this defense is already going to be top 10.  They will need another off season to build the O line.  I think Jayden has a good shot to be the answer at QB.  The sky is brighter to me.

Edited April 28 by Skinsinparadise

[Warhead36]

53 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

Didn't realize Sinnott was so low on the consensus boards.  I had him at 58 on my board, so for me we got him at about his natural slot.  I don't understand why he was outside the top 100 for so many sources.  What am I missing?  I didn't see any weaknesses and he popped on film like LaPorta did last year.

Hes not the athlete La Porta is. La Porta gets open way more. I like Sinnot but do think we took him a wee bit early. Its nit picky though and ultimately I think we got a good football player.

[HTTRDynasty]

 

 

 

[skinny21]

Obviously there’s personal preference in terms of rating our draft - how we rate guys, did they give Daniels enough help, did they address OL adequately, etc.  

However, landing arguably a top 2 QB, a top 2 DT, a top 2 slot corner, and a top 2 TE… that’s promising to say the least.  I’ll add that I’m a fan of McGee and Hampton getting a chance to learn behind Wagner and Chinn.

 

One other note - this defensive staff has a lot of really interesting toys to play with.

[Going Commando]

14 hours ago, seantaylor=god said:

From Ben Standig via the Athletic:
 

BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia  garnered some late first-round chatter, but three team/league sources told The Athletic they lowered their grades after concerns emerged during the pre-draft process. Suamataia was selected by the Kansas City Chiefs at No. 63.

 

I wish Standig would specify what the concerns were.  It's too vague to judge whether or not we were justified in passing over him based on them without knowing the nature of the concerns.  I heard a rumor that he was homesick at Oregon and that's why things didn't work out there, but if that's the concern, that would not have kept me from picking him.

[skinny21]

5 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

 

 

I understand the argument that our D was horrible, but to me, after adding a lot of defensive pieces in FA (3 DEs, 2 LBs, 1 S and a corner), once we drafted Daniels, I thought the number one goal was going to be to give him all the help we could.

With that said, between the draft and FA, we did give him 2 TEs, 2 OTs*, 2 IOL, a quality 3rd down back, and a (slot) receiver of the future.

 

* I know Lucas was here last year, and there’s a legitimate question about him manning the LT spot, but 1) he was still a FA they signed, and 2) he’s at the least a quality swing tackle.

[Going Commando]

25 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Hes not the athlete La Porta is. La Porta gets open way more. I like Sinnot but do think we took him a wee bit early. Its nit picky though and ultimately I think we got a good football player.

 

Very similar builds and testing:

 

 

 

Laporta ran a better 40, but Sinnott's jumps were better.  Feels like the main difference between them is Laporta's hands are bigger, but Sinnott is a little bigger overall.  I think they're really similar players, both F / H-Back TEs in the Chris Cooley vein, both soft-handed pluckers with exceptional contested catch skills.  Unlike Cooley and Laporta, Sinnott is a true dog as a blocker.

 

It's water under the bridge now, but when I was watching Sinnott, it occurred to me that Will Howard is the guy that Drake Maye's critics thought he was.  I feel like that kind of summed up the lack of perspective that they had.  But now that Howard is going to get tutored by a guru in Ryan Day and play with all of that blue chip talent, I can see him becoming a high quality NFL prospect next year.  He would be my early pick for QB1.

[London Kev]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Weird formatting sets my OCD off, hope you don't mind me tidying it up a little bit. The 'picture to text function' didn't know what the Top Routes were.

 

[Andre The Giant]

41 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

I wish Standig would specify what the concerns were.  It's too vague to judge whether or not we were justified in passing over him based on them without knowing the nature of the concerns.  I heard a rumor that he was homesick at Oregon and that's why things didn't work out there, but if that's the concern, that would not have kept me from picking him.

According to Tony Pauline, Kingsley’s Coaches badmouthed him to potential teams. Supposedly he faked an injury before their last game of the season because he didn’t want to play. Believe BYU still needed the win for competitive reasons. 

 

 

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[Veretax]

5 hours ago, KDawg said:

Sainristril isn’t going to be outside. 
 

Nickel will likely be a four front and a basic 4-2 alignment.

 

Fowler - Allen - Payne - Ferrell

               Luvu - Wagner

Forbes                                 Juste

          M.Davis-Forrest-Quan

 

Newton/Sain/Jamin Davis rotational pieces

Yes you are absolutely right on that, i wan't thinking of positioning on either line when I wrote it out.
 

[Riggo#44]

17 hours ago, kingdaddy said:

I'm with ya, and I can't stand Roseman, but he may have had his best draft ever this weekend. That being said, I'm willing to give Peters a learning curve.

Or, you know, give the players time to actually take a snap before making any judgements

[DogofWar1]

 

[FootballZombie]

Huh...

 

It just hit me how little tragedy porn there was in the draft this year.  Usually they are all up in your face about if a guy so much as stubbed his toe once.

 

I guess the NFL got the memo on that front. Greatly appreciated.

[SoCalSkins]

5 hours ago, Llevron said:

The best quote of the offseason by far. Witt has me so excited to see what he can do. 

And he followed it up that this life is not for everybody. The days of phoning it in are over. First competent defensive staff since Gregg Williams. 

[CommDownMan]

1 minute ago, Riggo#44 said:

Or, you know, give the players time to actually take a snap before making any judgements

 

I think you can do both.

 

I think Peters did well with the draft.  But judging the draft should include all the 2025 picks that Roseman got.  His ability to move about is really impressive (which sucks).

 

That being said, part of that ability is having done it over several years, his team has a stronger base to work with.  As a result, there is less need to build the roster and allows for more gambles.  Trading out of 3 picks for future picks means you have a team that is well built now (generally), and Peters didn't inherit that luxury.

 

We had one successful trade down and at least 2 mentions of failed trade ups (end of first and end of second I think).  Whether it was first draft nerves, sticking to the board or simply working through being the top guy with all it entails, there were times it appears we weren't able to get our guy.  I do wonder if Coleman was the target and 49ers did Peters a solid saying that wasn't who KC wanted (but we'll never know).  I think grrading the ability to move around can be judge now, as it has nothing to do with players suscess of the field.

 

Peters did well from a handling the responsibility point of view.  Any of us doing something for the first time there is going be room for improvement..  Comparing him to Roseman at this point is a high bar.  There are pkenty of GMs that did far worse with more experience.  However, the goal should be the best and to do that we need to beat the best.  For Peters that is as a GM and his target should be beating GMs for Eagles, Ravens, Steelers.  It was a solid start, but I believe there will be some lessons learned and there is room for improvement.  

 

 

[Chump Bailey]

Easy A for me. So glad Peter's is here. The difference between this draft and our prior ones is night and day for me right off the bat.

[DogofWar1]

15 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

Or, you know, give the players time to actually take a snap before making any judgements

Absolutely not.

 

Snap judgments are the only judgments that matter.  Who cares what a player does in 3, 5, 7 years?  Where they were supposed to go in the draft is what matters.

[Conn]

3 hours ago, Ball Security said:

It’s fun to get excited about this year’s picks under a new regime, but it’ll take time to see how they pan out.

 

We can put a bow on Rivera’s four drafts:

 

2020

Young - fifth year option not picked up.

Gibson - signed 2nd contract in FA ($5.3M guaranteed)

Charles - signed 2nd contract in FA (1 year $250k guaranteed)

Gandy-Golden - retired early

Ismael - cut within four years, bounced around, currently guaranteed $25k in AZ

Hudson - signed 2nd contract ($491,500 guaranteed)

Curl - signed 2nd contract ($6M guaranteed)

Smith-Williams  - signed 2nd contract ($167k guaranteed)

 

2021

Davis - no fifth year option

Cosmi - starting guard, potential building block

St-Juste - 37 games played in 3 seasons

Dyami Brown - 2024 bubble player/roster casualty 

John Bates - blocking TE, 508 yards in 3 years

Darrick Forrest - still in the mix at S

Cheeseman - LS couldn’t last 3 seasons.

Bradley-King - on and off the roster now in NE with no guarantee money

Toney - took a bet on himself, but is no longer on the team.

Milne - on and off the roster. Currently outside the top 6 WR under contract.

 

2022*
Dotson - needs a bounce back year 3 to get a fifth year option.

Mathis - injury riddled two years, DT3 was drafted early in 2024. Cut candidate 

Robinson Jr. - starting RB

Sam Howell - 1 year starter, traded away.

Cole Turner - roster bubble

Chris Paul - roster bubble

Holmes - roster bubble

* traded back to get extra picks, but passed on Chris Olave and Kyle Hamilton

 

2023

Forbes - couldn’t play at all in last year’s scheme. Maybe new coaches can salvage.

Martin - chess piece for Whitt Jr

Stromberg - team signed two centers and a guard this offseason

Daniels - roster bubble

Henry - roster bubble

Rodriguez - back of the roster RB

Jones - roster bubble.

33 selections for the Rivera era. I would expect only 9 to definitely make the 2024 roster, with an additional 9 maybes.

 

This post should qualify as hate speech it offends me so much 

[Veretax]

I'd say A or A- the - depends on the OL from TCU they took and the last pick in the 7th. the rest of the picks I think are sure fire fits.

 

[redskinss]

21 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

 

 

 

Here's another good one.