seamonster Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I've always been impressed with how the Shannahan's rebuilt their offense from the floorboards up to accommodate this princess. They created a layered NFL read-option \ zone running offense with three tight ends. At the time RGIII bickered about it. I fully support Jay in his struggles with this weirdo. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profusion Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 39 minutes ago, spjunkies said: Some quarterbacks just don't know how to avoid pressure, we saw that this past season when you look at the difference between Howell and Jacoby. All you can do is hope that they "figure it out". Some never do and they get booted from the league. Essentially, RG3 never learned to play "traditionally" because he never had to. He was the quickest guy on the field and exceled at the read-option. His build (his structure, not his muscle development) was too slight for that to be viable long-term in the NFL. He was going to get destroyed inevitably, and he hadn't developed the tool set to succeed without his running ability. Heck, I'm not sure he would have lasted even as a dropback passer. He was a track-and-field athlete trying to play football. Despite the above, it's also worth remembering that the ankle injury that ended his time in Washington was a non-contact injury. Essentially, he turned while running full speed, and his body went one direction while his foot went the other. He was never going to last. The attitude just made everything worse. He'd have been better off sitting for several years like Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love did and working on the skills needed to be a good NFL passer. Unfortunately, the 2nd pick rarely gets that luxury, and his ego would have caused problems. Edited January 19 by profusion 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 minute ago, profusion said: Essentially, RG3 never learned to play "traditionally" because he never had to. He was the quickest guy on the field and exceled at the read-option. His build (his structure, not his muscle development) was too slight for that to be viable long-term in the NFL. He was going to get destroyed inevitably, and he hadn't developed the tool set to succeed without his running ability. Heck, I'm not sure he would have lasted even as a dropback passer. He was a track-and-field athlete trying to play football. Despite the above, it's also worth remembering that the ankle injury that ended his time in Washington was a non-contact injury. Essentially, he turned while running full speed, and his body went one direction while his foot went the other. He was never going to last. Perhaps, we'll never know. I'm done talking about a dude who hasn't played for us in almost 10 years and an irrelevant ex-coach 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profusion Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, spjunkies said: I'm done talking about a dude who hasn't played for us in almost 10 years and an irrelevant ex-coach Amen!! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Spiers Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said: Jay's judgement has been bad since he was caught smoking outside a bar at One Loudoun with a hottie NOT named Mrs. Gruden sitting on his lap. 😂 I know from experience working as a bellman at one of the best hotels in Los Angeles that these players, coaches, and announcers are not just checking in and getting a good's nice sleep. A certain basketball team that stayed with us multiple times (rhymes with 46'ers) would have a giant herd of "female fans" pile into the lobby the minute they checked in. So Gruden sharing a smoke with a pretty girl isn't that big of a deal. Off topic, Howie Long is a terrible tipper ($1 a bag) and Chris Collinsworth is a super generous tipper (always a $20 spot). Bradshaw they rented a house for, so not sure about him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profusion Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, Tyler Spiers said: I know from experience working as a bellman at one of the best hotels in Los Angeles that these players, coaches, and announcers are not just checking in and getting a good's nice sleep. A certain basketball team that stayed with us multiple times (rhymes with 46'ers) would have a giant herd of "female fans" pile into the lobby the minute they checked in. So Gruden sharing a smoke with a pretty girl isn't that big of a deal. Off topic, Howie Long is a terrible tipper ($1 a bag) and Chris Collinsworth is a super generous tipper (always a $20 spot). Bradshaw they rented a house for, so not sure about him. Terry doesn't *do* hotels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, spjunkies said: Why do people like to pretend like the knee injury never happened? It's simply that what destroyed Griffin. He would've been something special if that never happened. Oh well I dunno man, he never progressed as a passer. The Shanahans worked wonders to get him one read or run situations. That well eventually runs dry, injuries or not. Beyond that, it’s been a decade and this dude is still in his feelings and delusional about why he’s a media personality instead of a quarterback. He’s just messy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Who cares. They both sucked and both should go away 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Wow...RG3 vs Gruden...who to choose? 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I just wonder why RGIII considers himself a relevant Redskin/Commander?? Why is he posting as a Skin in the 1st place. Nobody cares . I just remember all the "Daddy Favors" Dan bestowed on this selfish player and him THREATENING players and coaches about "having pull" with Snyder.... FM.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, woodpecker said: That’s a stretch. Plenty of guys come back from that injury and do just fine. I tend to agree with this. While it's easy to point to Griffin's pre-injury stats (where he made the Pro Bowl and won Offensive ROY) and then post-injury stats, it kind of ignores the fact that most people recover from ACL injuries just fine. Even if you want to believe Griffin was one of the ones who didn't recover just fine (and frankly there's little evidence that he's not physically fine, he can still run really fast), a knee is only a small part of being a good QB. Since the pre-knee injury stats were only those 15 games, it's a far more likely explanation that the league simply caught up to him. Plenty of QBs look good in short bursts before reality sets in. Nick Foles is a guy that comes to mind. Has had a couple of crazy good runs as a QB, but was essentially just a good back-up. Maybe the best comparison for Griffin is Colin Kaepernick. Kaepernick similarly looked crazy good for a brief period before it seems the league figured him out. He eventually got blackballed from the league for other reasons, but he was also 3-16 in his last two seasons as a starter and much poorer QBR figures than his heyday. The knee just seems like a well timed excuse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Jericho said: I tend to agree with this. While it's easy to point to Griffin's pre-injury stats (where he made the Pro Bowl and won Offensive ROY) and then post-injury stats, it kind of ignores the fact that most people recover from ACL injuries just fine. Even if you want to believe Griffin was one of the ones who didn't recover just fine (and frankly there's little evidence that he's not physically fine, he can still run really fast), a knee is only a small part of being a good QB. Since the pre-knee injury stats were only those 15 games, it's a far more likely explanation that the league simply caught up to him. Plenty of QBs look good in short bursts before reality sets in. Nick Foles is a guy that comes to mind. Has had a couple of crazy good runs as a QB, but was essentially just a good back-up. Maybe the best comparison for Griffin is Colin Kaepernick. Kaepernick similarly looked crazy good for a brief period before it seems the league figured him out. He eventually got blackballed from the league for other reasons, but he was also 3-16 in his last two seasons as a starter and much poorer QBR figures than his heyday. The knee just seems like a well timed excuse. To this day, I'm not sure I've seen a quarterback secure the edge quite like he did before his injury. I'm not commenting on his overall ability; it's just the way he navigated in a straight line was exceptional. His track experience truly stood out on the football field – almost as if he were launching from the starting blocks in a track meet. Post injury, the edge was no longer his ally. Edited January 19 by wit33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Command The 414 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Even the host of this video believes RG3 jist won’t let it go… a good 4 1/2min watch lol …appears Jay conceded but RG3 just has to keep the drama going …. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 As a rather random, yet humorous point, do you guys remember what Griffin looked like when he tried to slide? LMAO 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisOneGoesTo11 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I have to look at that infamous graphic of all our coaches that have gone on to success from that team but somehow Robert believes he was Washington'ed here. Right, and The Beatles didn't know how to use Pete Best. Watch his start against the Steelers in '21 (After sitting on the bench backing up Lamar in just about as perfect a situation he could have hoped for), its the same player that I watched play the Chiefs in 2013. Not one step forward in development. Gruden shouldn't throw stones though. He fits right in with the kind of bozos Dan would gravitate to for the last 20 years and now hes out of the NFL because his brother is stupid enough to write down his racist jokes. I just want these two to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 They're both idiots but RG3 is like that bully jock who everyone hated while Gruden is the fat lovable class clown and this is like the fat lovable class clown beating the crap out of the bully jock. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillBill26 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, Warhead36 said: They're both idiots but RG3 is like that bully jock who everyone hated while Gruden is the fat lovable class clown and this is like the fat lovable class clown beating the crap out of the bully jock. This is perfect 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 (edited) Whatever happened to that 'book' RG3 was going to 'write'? I think one reason RG3 never improved was because he was so used to guys like RG2 whispering in his ear that he was the greatest QB since sliced bread and that coaches conspired against him to destroy his career. Like a coach would willingly design a blocking scheme that would expose his QB to more sacks...did RG3 ever think that through? I'm sure Jay didn't have RG3's back, however. But it's baffling how people can be so blind to their own faults. I remember hearing when he was with the Browns he would be passive-aggressive in practice and throw the ball over the fence into the parking lot where reporters were huddled just to 'prove' to them he still had an arm. Edited January 19 by BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Oh joy. Two dip****s arguing on the internet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 40 minutes ago, DiscoBob said: As a rather random, yet humorous point, do you guys remember what Griffin looked like when he tried to slide? LMAO That's why this is out in public....RGIII can't sliiiddddeeeee into Jay's DMs to handle it privately. 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggered Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, spjunkies said: Why do people like to pretend like the knee injury never happened? It's simply that what destroyed Griffin. He would've been something special if that never happened. Oh well He should have ran out of bounds or slide or something not cut back inside where a certain Haloti Ngata was waiting to meet him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, triggered said: He should have ran out of bounds or slide or something not cut back inside where a certain Haloti Ngata was waiting to meet him. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Jay has been doing a podcast with his son latest ep: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINS STOMP Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 50 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said: Whatever happened to that 'book' RG3 was going to 'write'? I think one reason RG3 never improved was because he was so used to guys like RG2 whispering in his ear that he was the greatest QB since sliced bread and that coaches conspired against him to destroy his career. Like a coach would willingly design a blocking scheme that would expose his QB to more sacks...did RG3 ever think that through? I'm sure Jay didn't have RG3's back, however. But it's baffling how people can be so blind to their own faults. I remember hearing when he was with the Browns he would be passive-aggressive in practice and throw the ball over the fence into the parking lot where reporters were huddled just to 'prove' to them he still had an arm. The book got canceled because lawsuits were going to be flying left and right if it had been released. I wish it had come out, I don't think Robert realizes how much it probably would have hurt him, I am sure his hope was to paint himself a victim wouldn't work. I remember a game in 2014, right after a bye week, RG3 threw a stupid pick on the first play of the game, proceeded to stink the stadium up in a bad loss to a below average Tampa team. At the post game presser, he was tossed a softball question about his performance in the game. He could of just done the easy answer and say, I wasn't good enough today, I need to be better. Instead he went on a considerable rant on how it was the entire team, and NOT him. His lack of personal accountability on full display. Couldn't stand the guy after that, and I like many so wanted him to be the guy for the franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The BMitch stuff was better Drunk Jay is a hoot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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