Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[HoggLife]

I had fun reading thru all this thread. Very amusing. 

[JCB]

So you're down with fascism and criminality? ^^^

 

Get bent and find a new team.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Trump called deceased service men and women “losers and suckers”.

 

Happy Memorial Day. 

Edited May 30, 2023 by AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy

[tshile]

On 5/26/2023 at 11:53 AM, The Evil Genius said:

 

Ken Starr made a huge amount of money in his post failed whitewater bull**** investigation career. 

I don’t think this is right. 
 

He was a federal judge appointed to investigate that the death of Vince foster. Then later selected for the Lewinsky stuff, and he got Clinton impeached. 
 

he was a federal judge during whitewater. I believe his only involvement was in that side investigation. 
 

 

 

I guess my point is he was a federal judge and had already established a very good career, and was appointed for a side investigation. He then later successfully impeached a president. 
 

I don’t think that’s the same as some random people at doj (meaning we don’t even know who they are yet) going after trump. I’m sure if you’re that high up at DOJ you have a solid career but you’re not a federal judge and likely would like to be one (meaning it’s way above what you are right now)

[EmirOfShmo]

 

Trump lawyer said to have been waved off searching office for secret records

 

Donald Trump’s lawyer tasked with searching for classified documents at Mar-a-Lago after the justice department issued a subpoena told associates that he was waved off from searching the former president’s office, where the FBI later found the most sensitive materials anywhere on the property.

The lawyer, Evan Corcoran, recounted that several Trump aides had told him to search the storage room because that was where all the materials that had been brought from the White House at the end of Trump’s presidency ended up being deposited.

Corcoran found 38 classified documents in the storage room. He then asked whether he should search anywhere else, like Trump’s office, but was steered away, he told associates. Corcoran never searched the office and told prosecutors the 38 papers were the extent of the material at Mar-a-Lago.

The assertion that there were no classified documents in Trump’s office or elsewhere proved to be wrong when the FBI retrieved 101 classified documents months afterwards, including from the office, which was found to be where the most highly classified documents had been located.

Corcoran’s previously unreported account, as relayed to the Guardian by two people familiar with the matter, suggests he was materially misled as the special counsel Jack Smith examines whether his incomplete search was actually a ploy by Trump to retain classified documents.

It was not clear who waved off Corcoran from searching elsewhere at Mar-a-Lago – whether it was Trump himself or Trump employees who advised him to look for classified documents in the storage room, according to an account of his testimony to the grand jury.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/30/evan-corcoran-trump-lawyer-waved-off-secret-document-search

[LadySkinsFan]

1 hour ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

Trump lawyer said to have been waved off searching office for secret records

 

Donald Trump’s lawyer tasked with searching for classified documents at Mar-a-Lago after the justice department issued a subpoena told associates that he was waved off from searching the former president’s office, where the FBI later found the most sensitive materials anywhere on the property.

The lawyer, Evan Corcoran, recounted that several Trump aides had told him to search the storage room because that was where all the materials that had been brought from the White House at the end of Trump’s presidency ended up being deposited.

Corcoran found 38 classified documents in the storage room. He then asked whether he should search anywhere else, like Trump’s office, but was steered away, he told associates. Corcoran never searched the office and told prosecutors the 38 papers were the extent of the material at Mar-a-Lago.

The assertion that there were no classified documents in Trump’s office or elsewhere proved to be wrong when the FBI retrieved 101 classified documents months afterwards, including from the office, which was found to be where the most highly classified documents had been located.

Corcoran’s previously unreported account, as relayed to the Guardian by two people familiar with the matter, suggests he was materially misled as the special counsel Jack Smith examines whether his incomplete search was actually a ploy by Trump to retain classified documents.

It was not clear who waved off Corcoran from searching elsewhere at Mar-a-Lago – whether it was Trump himself or Trump employees who advised him to look for classified documents in the storage room, according to an account of his testimony to the grand jury.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/30/evan-corcoran-trump-lawyer-waved-off-secret-document-search

 

Whether Trump himself or his lackeys waved him off, the direction certainly came from Trump. More obstruction of course.

[China]

Trump’s legal team is an epic disaster

 

The attorney-client relationship is historically one of the most sacred, cloaked with the (usually) impenetrable privilege of complete confidentiality and one that is imbued with explicit and implicit trust. Clients look to their lawyers for guidance, a keen knowledge of the law, and the ability to provide favorable public-facing content for those moments and cases where the client cannot interface with the media and the public. There are professional standards and each state has rules of conduct.

 

But when it comes to the many cases of former President Donald Trump, those sacred bonds are sometimes bent to the point of breaking. Who’s to blame? Depends on who you ask, I suspect. But regardless of where the fault may lie, this kind of havoc does not bode well for Trump’s legal future. When faced with so many legal challenges, a surgically orchestrated strategy is necessary. Sometimes, even just the outward image of prepared and organized calm is the goal. But with Trump, you have the perfect storm of infighting lawyers jostling for pole position and a client who is prone to embracing the microphone and never meeting a camera he didn’t love. It’s a recipe for an attorney-client disaster.

 

Trump presently has several pending cases and investigations, both state and federal:

 

• He is being prosecuted by way of a 34-count felony indictment by the Manhattan district attorney’s office, led by Alvin Bragg, charging him with falsification of business records relating to payments made to Trump’s former “fixer” and personal attorney, Michael Cohen, to reimburse Cohen for a hush money payment made to adult film star Stormy Daniels. That case was just set for trial in March 2024.
• After being found civilly liable for $5 million in damages by a New York jury of his peers for the sexual abuse and defamation of E. Jean Carroll, Trump is now facing the prospect of an amended complaint (to include statements made after the verdict in another case) for his earlier defamation of Carroll in June 2019, when he was president of the United States.
• New York Attorney General Letitia James has filed a $250 million civil lawsuit against Trump, three of his adult children and the Trump Organization, accusing them of falsely inflating the value of assets in order to defraud insurers and lenders. Trump has been deposed twice now in that case; the first time he invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 400 times.
• Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith presently has at least two investigations into the twice-impeached Trump: (1) allegations of improper and illegal retention of classified materials once his presidency was terminated and (2) allegations of Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in various states, including Georgia.
• In Georgia, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is pursuing an investigation into Trump’s alleged attempts to extort officials in the state into overturning the results of the 2020 presidential election and to install a fake slate of electors to vote for Trump over the lawfully elected Joe Biden.

And to be clear, these are the cases and investigations about which we are aware. There could be other investigations that are underway about which we have no knowledge at this stage. Considering all of the above, you would think a client facing that amount of legal peril would have a top-notch team of lawyers in place to defend him. But when you have a client like Trump, normal expectations don’t apply.

 

Just recently, attorney Tim Parlatore announced — very publicly, via voluntarily testifying for the Mar-a-Lago documents investigation — that he was resigning from the Trump legal team, allegedly because of his inability to provide the right kind of counsel to Trump due to obstacles created by fellow Trump lawyer Boris Epshteyn. Parlatore claims that Epshteyn was keeping him and other lawyers from being able to speak to Trump and that Epshteyn was not being honest with their client.

 

Interestingly, it was just a few months ago that Parlatore was singing Epshteyn’s praises, according to The New York Times, whom he told, “It’s good to have someone who’s a lawyer who is also inside the palace gates.” It doesn’t bode well that only a few months after that, Parlatore publicly derided Epshteyn and said Epshteyn was gatekeeping the rest of the legal team from accessing their one client (Trump).

 

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[Captain Wiggles]

20 hours ago, tshile said:

I don’t think this is right. 

 

Kenn Starr cashed in bigly for years after his special prosecutor days. Baylor University paid him $5 million dollars in 2016 alone. Ya know for that fantastic job he did as University President. 🤣

[EmirOfShmo]

 

[@DCGoldPants]

 

 

 

[China]

On 5/23/2023 at 11:05 AM, China said:

They're definitely investigating potential espionage with regard to the documents case.

 

Prosecutors Sought Records on Trump’s Foreign Business Deals Since 2017

 

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Legal experts: Trump could be charged under "Espionage Act" over report that he showed off docs

 

Prosecutors obtained evidence that former President Donald Trump kept classified documents in his office and sometimes showed them to people, according to a recent report from The Washington Post. 

 

Legal experts say the report suggests the former president may be facing more serious charges than obstruction.

 

"The news report suggests an escalation in the seriousness of the charges Trump faces," former federal prosecutor Kevin O'Brien told Salon. "Evidence that he showed highly sensitive documents to third parties implicates the Espionage Act, which forbids willfully conveying such a document 'to any person not entitled to receive it,' or willfully failing to deliver the same on demand to a government officer or employee entitled to receive it. Trump appears to fall under both prongs of the statute, which is punishable by up to 10 years in prison per violation."

 

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[Captain Wiggles]

Quote

SCOTUS & the Executive Branch agree that VP & President are not "officers of the government" - a requirement to move the case

 

Trump gonna claim diplomatic immunity next? 🤭

[China]

Just now, Captain Wiggles said:

 

Trump gonna claim diplomatic immunity next? 🤭

 

Only once he's outed as a Russian agent.

[@DCGoldPants]

Looking forward to Meadows being called deep state if this is true. 

 

 

[China]

On 5/29/2023 at 3:29 PM, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

 

Should have said, "So you think he's guilty then?"

[EmirOfShmo]

 

[The Evil Genius]

 

[LadySkinsFan]

Federal indictments are coming next week. My prediction.

[Long n Left]

1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said:

Federal indictments are coming next week. My prediction.

 

[China]

Exclusive: Trump attorneys haven’t found classified document former president referred to on tape following subpoena

 

ttorneys for Donald Trump turned over material in mid-March in response to a federal subpoena related to a classified US military document described by the former president on tape in 2021 but were unable to find the document itself, two sources tell CNN.

 

Prosecutors issued the subpoena shortly after asking a Trump aide before a federal grand jury about the audio recording of a July 2021 meeting at Trump’s golf course in Bedminster, New Jersey. On the recording, Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran.

 

Prosecutors sought “any and all” documents and materials related to Mark Milley, Trump’s chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Iran, including maps or invasion plans, the sources say. A similar subpoena was sent to at least one other attendee of the meeting, another source tells CNN.

 

The sources say prosecutors made clear to Trump’s attorneys after issuing the subpoena that they specifically wanted the Iran document he talked about on tape as well as any material referencing classified information – like meeting notes, audio recordings or copies of the document – that may still be Trump’s possession.

 

The fact that Trump’s team was unable to produce the document underscores the challenges the government has faced in trying to recover classified material that Trump took when he left the White House and in understanding the movement of government records that Trump kept.

 

Over the course of the Justice Department’s investigation, prosecutors have expressed skepticism that all classified documents had been returned. The federal government recovered dozens of documents with classified markings from Trump at various points throughout 2022.

 

The special counsel’s office complained late last year to a federal judge that they couldn’t be sure Trump had turned over all documents with classified markings in his possession, even after the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago last August, CNN previously reported.

 

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[LadySkinsFan]

It wouldn't surprise me that TFG squirreled away more documents somewhere else. 

[Larry]

27 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:

It wouldn't surprise me that TFG squirreled away more documents somewhere else. 

 

I would bet that Trump has worse odds of remembering where his classified documents are, than my squirrels have of remembering every nut they've buried.  

[China]

1 hour ago, Larry said:

 

I would bet that Trump has worse odds of remembering where his classified documents are, than my squirrels have of remembering every nut they've buried.  

 

Did you say buried?

 

[China]

Trump Lawyer’s Notes Could Be a Key in the Classified Documents Inquiry

 

Turning on his iPhone one day last year, the lawyer M. Evan Corcoran recorded his reflections about a high-profile new job: representing former President Donald J. Trump in an investigation into his handling of classified documents.

 

In complete sentences and a narrative tone that sounded as if it had been ripped from a novel, Mr. Corcoran recounted in detail a nearly monthlong period of the documents investigation, according to two people familiar with the matter.

 

Mr. Corcoran’s narration of his recollections covered his initial meeting with Mr. Trump in May last year to discuss a subpoena from the Justice Department seeking the return of all classified materials in the former president’s possession, the people said.

 

It also encompassed a search that Mr. Corcoran undertook last June in response to the subpoena for any relevant records being kept at Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s private club and residence in Florida. He carried out the search in preparation for a visit by prosecutors, who were on their way to enforce the subpoena and collect any sensitive material found remaining there.

 

Government investigators almost never obtain a clear lens into a lawyer’s private dealings with their clients, let alone with such a prominent one as Mr. Trump. A recording like the voice memo Mr. Corcoran made last year — during a long drive to a family event, according to two people briefed on the recording — is typically shielded by attorney-client or work-product privilege. Some details of the notes were reported earlier by The Guardian.

 

But in March, a federal judge ordered Mr. Corcoran’s recorded recollections — now transcribed onto dozens of pages — to be given to the office of the special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading the documents investigation.

 

Mr. Corcoran’s notes, which have not been previously described in such detail, will likely play a central role as Mr. Smith and his team move toward concluding their investigation and turn to the question of whether to bring charges against Mr. Trump. They could also show up as evidence in a courtroom if a criminal case is ultimately filed and goes to trial.

The level of detail in the recording is said to have angered and unnerved close aides to Mr. Trump, who are worried it contains direct quotes from sensitive conversations.  

 

In an early scene in his account, Mr. Corcoran describes meeting Mr. Trump at Mar-a-Lago last spring to help him handle a subpoena that had just been issued by a federal grand jury in Washington seeking the return of all classified material in the possession of his presidential office, the people familiar with the matter said.

 

After pleasantries, according to a description of the recorded notes, Mr. Trump asked Mr. Corcoran if he had to comply with the subpoena. Mr. Corcoran told him that he did.

 

That exchange could be useful to prosecutors as they collect evidence on whether Mr. Trump sought to obstruct the subpoena process and interfere with the government’s broader efforts to retrieve all of the sensitive records that he took with him from the White House.

 

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