Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

[LadySkinsFan]

2 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

I guess the question is...will anyone actually hold him accountable for it? If you or I were to do something along those lines, it's likely we'd be hauled in front of a judge, found in contempt (or charged with a whole new crime) and would be cooling our asses in a jail cell right now.

 

Since he's in a court right now (his case anyway), I guess it's where the judge has enough of his crap. I think this judge is getting close.

[TheGreatBuzz]

FWIW I heard Andrew McCabe on a podcast the other day say that a judge is more likely to rack up contempt fines into the millions before they considered further action but also thinks a judge would go further if they had to.

[Bang]

Oh, fines will stop him, I'm sure.
One weekend whining about his troubles should net him enough sucker money to pay it.

But hey,, if his followers manage to kill a lawyer or two, maybe go after a few of their kids, what's the harm?

A dog that has proven to bite BITES. 

 

~Bang

Edited April 26, 2023 by Bang

[mistertim]

1 hour ago, Bang said:

Oh, fines will stop him, I'm sure.
One weekend whining about his troubles should net him enough sucker money to pay it.

But hey,, if his followers manage to kill a lawyer or two, maybe go after a few of their kids, what's the harm?

A dog that has proven to bite BITES. 

 

~Bang

 

Yeah at some point you have to realize that a certain punishment has no effect and adjust tactics accordingly.

 

Trump doesn't give two ****s about fines. He'll just ignore them and then maybe pay a partial amount of them years down the road after he's exhausted all appeals and frivolous counter-suits.

 

But throw him in a jail cell and toss the key? That's some **** he'll have no clue how to deal with. He'd probably lose his goddamn mind within hours.

[skinsmarydu]

2 minutes ago, mistertim said:

But throw him in a jail cell and toss the key? That's some **** he'll have no clue how to deal with. He'd probably lose his goddamn mind within hours.

Absolutely.  The food alone would send him straight over the edge. 

[PokerPacker]

On 4/26/2023 at 5:36 PM, skinsmarydu said:

Absolutely.  The food alone would send him straight over the edge. 

Given his diet, the only thing that might upset him is the knowledge that it's prisoner food, not the actual food itself.

Edited May 4, 2023 by PokerPacker

[skinsmarydu]

6 minutes ago, PokerPacker said:

 not the actual food itself.

It's barely edible.  Any galley in the Navy is fine dining cuisine in comparison.  

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

 

[Fan since a Fetus]

He’ll be fine as long as he’s supplied with ketchup

[skinsmarydu]

Just now, Fan since a Fetus said:

He’ll be fine as long as he’s supplied with ketchup

That's the only condiment they gave us!!  Lunch is like 4 slices of bread that may or may not have mold on it, a slice of mystery meat, a slice of plastic cheese, 2 ketchup packets and a Little Debbie something.  (I hoarded salt and pepper packets, they're even more valuable than the Little Deb.) 

 

[TheGreatBuzz]

3 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said:

That's the only condiment they gave us!!  Lunch is like 4 slices of bread that may or may not have mold on it, a slice of mystery meat, a slice of plastic cheese, 2 ketchup packets and a Little Debbie something.  (I hoarded salt and pepper packets, they're even more valuable than the Little Deb.) 

 

Was this jail or the ship?

[skinsmarydu]

3 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Was this jail or the ship?

Jail.  My ship had awesome food. 

I actually had the chance to be the Captain's crank and turned it down (stupid decision on my part).  I was cranking in the scullery when I had my motorcycle accident and ended up getting medically discharged. 

[China]

16 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said:

Jail.  My ship had awesome food. 

I actually had the chance to be the Captain's crank and turned it down (stupid decision on my part).  I was cranking in the scullery when I had my motorcycle accident and ended up getting medically discharged. 

 

As a non-naval person not knowing the slang, the Captain's crank sounds like the Captain's personal handjob giver.

[skinsmarydu]

1 minute ago, China said:

 

As a non-naval person not knowing the slang, the Captain's crank sounds like the Captain's personal handjob giver.

  Very funny. 

Nope, it's the "mess-crank" person who gets his meals ready, makes sure he has everything ready in his cabin or the Wardroom.  My C was easy, and I should've taken the job.  Super cool guy, too, on a lot of different levels that I won't go into in this thread.  (He hated being saluted when going out for his noon run.) 

Sorry to go OT. 

 

Let's get back to Trump going to jail for contempt. 

[Jabbyrwock]

5 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said:

  Very funny. 

Nope, it's the "mess-crank" person who gets his meals ready, makes sure he has everything ready in his cabin or the Wardroom.  My C was easy, and I should've taken the job.  Super cool guy, too, on a lot of different levels that I won't go into in this thread.  (He hated being saluted when going out for his noon run.) 

Sorry to go OT. 

 

Let's get back to Trump going to jail for contempt. 

 

My ex wife's C was easy too....that's why I divorced her.

[PokerPacker]

49 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said:

It's barely edible.  Any galley in the Navy is fine dining cuisine in comparison.  

Look, I just wanted to throw some shade at the orange tub of poor culinary choices.

[skinsmarydu]

26 minutes ago, Jabbyrwock said:

 

My ex wife's C was easy too....that's why I divorced her.

TOO MANY ? FOR ANSWERS.  Hope you're happier now????

[mistertim]

I think depriving Trump of the ability to surround himself with people who shower praise on him would do him in even faster than the food.

 

Don't let him go into gen pop because he'll undoubtedly find some mouth breathing MAGAs in jail who worship him. Keep him in ad seg the whole time. He'll lose what's left of his mind really fast.

[Fan since a Fetus]

2 hours ago, China said:

 

As a non-naval person not knowing the slang, the Captain's crank sounds like the Captain's personal handjob giver.

Why do you think she went to jail?

[EmirOfShmo]

 

[LadySkinsFan]

So that's a third investigation that Jack Smith is conducting out of WDC. And it's another federal one. 

 

I. Jan6 investigation: getting close after Pence testified. 

2. Classified documents at MAL: getting close plus Pence might have answered questions about this too

3. Wire fraud: duping the MAGAs into sending money about fake voter/election fraud. Maybe new, maybe ongoing but DOJ kept it really quiet until now. A bunch of people that's already appeared before the Grand Jury spilled about this too. 

 

Goodness! That's quite a list. #1 alone might have multiple charges. 

 

Not to mention Georgia with multiple charges too.

 

Hard for him to make police arrests and court appearances and campaign at the same time. Whether the cases actually make it to trial before November 2024, he's ****ed.

[EmirOfShmo]

Yeah, it seems - to my non-lawyered eye - that the wire fraud case will be the easiest to prove. For some reason, I was on his email list so I saw the **** he was slinging. The entire 'stop the steal' campaign they ran was bull****. And it sounds identical to the scam Bannon et.al. ran about funding the wall. 

[China]

6 hours ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

 

I love how the press uses terms like "may have" and "allegedly" when we all know full well Trump is a grifter and criminal, and wire fraud is just his de facto way of doing business.  Just one more crime for the pile.  Maybe someday the feds will actually indict and charge him with something rather than just perennially investigating.

[China]

How Trump’s Legal Jeopardy Will Test American Democracy

 

Donald Trump's 2024 campaign for the White House is about to collide with an 1892 Supreme Court decision and a federal criminal trial rule, setting up a spectacular legal clash that the Framers of our Constitution could never have imagined.

 

As the subject of two federal grand jury investigations, Trump faces the prospect of running his presidential campaign—whether as the Republican Party nominee or an independent—from the defense table in a federal courtroom in Washington, D.C.

 

If you’ve followed Trump’s legal tactics closely—as I have for decades—gaming out this situation isn’t difficult.

 

Trump will ignore his right to a speedy trial starting within 100 days of any federal indictments. Instead, following the advice taught by his “second father,” the notorious lawyer Roy Cohn, Trump’s strategy would likely be to delay using every tactic his legal team can conjure.

 

Each day that passes without Smith asking grand jurors to return an indictment, known as a true bill, it heightens the issues over a criminal trial delay and Trump’s desire to campaign freely.

 

The federal judges assigned to try these cases would also face enormous pressure over how to resolve conflicts between Trump’s campaign, and potentially his second presidency, and the absolute rules governing the conduct of felony trials in federal court.

 

At issue is Rule 43 in federal criminal procedure, which requires that felony defendants attend their trials.

 

Trump skipped out on the trial now underway in federal District Court in Manhattan, in a case brought by the journalist E. Jean Carroll. In her 2019 memoir What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, Carroll wrote that, in 1995 or 1996, Trump raped her in a lingerie dressing room of the Bergdorf Goodman department store across the street from Trump Tower in Manhattan.

 

Trump called Carroll a liar and labeled her accusation a hoax. Carroll then sued for defamation. Because the trial is civil rather than criminal, Trump’s attendance was optional.

Under Lewis v. United States, an 1892 Supreme Court decision which formed the basis for Rule 43, Trump would be required to attend every minute of his trial.

 

The high court held in Lewis that a “leading principle that pervades the entire law of criminal procedure” is that once an individual is indicted “nothing shall be done in the absence of the prisoner… in felonies it is not in the power of the prisoner, either by himself or his counsel, to waive the right to be personally present during the trial.”

 

That standard applies even if Trump were free on his own recognizance or on bail.

 

If he tried to boycott the trial, he would be arrested and held in custody until the trial ended.

 

A similar attendance rule applies for criminal trials in New York, where Trump was indicted last month on 34 felony counts connected with hush money paid in 2016 to Stephanie Clifford, better known as the porn star Stormy Daniels. The mandatory attendance rule also applies in Georgia, where Trump is under investigation by Fani Willis, the Fulton County district attorney.

 

So, would Trump’s already announced campaign enable him to delay a trial? If he succeeds and becomes president again, would that further delay any proceedings? What if he pardoned himself?

 

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[China]

Apparently, the peope in the Trump Org can't do anything without lying and/or obfuscating:

 

Exclusive: Special counsel probing Trump Organization’s handling of Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage

 

Prosecutors for special counsel Jack Smith have been asking questions in recent weeks about the handling of surveillance footage from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort after the Trump Organization received a subpoena last summer for the footage, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation.

 

The handling of the footage, and how employees within the Trump Organization responded to the Justice Department’s demand for it, have prompted a new round of grand jury subpoenas to top Trump employees in the last few weeks, the sources told CNN.

 

Longtime Trump Organization executives Matthew Calamari Sr. and his son Matthew Calamari Jr. are expected to appear Thursday before the grand jury investigating possible mishandling of classified documents brought to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, sources said. Prosecutors are expected to ask them about the handling of the surveillance footage and Trump employees’ conversations following the subpoena, according to the sources.

 

Calamari Sr., the executive vice president and chief operating officer of the Trump Organization, has primarily overseen security operations for Trump and his properties during his decadeslong career working for Trump. His son, Calamari Jr., is director of security for the Trump Organization.

 

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