oraphus Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Looks like Cole Holcomb got hurt tonight. Knee injury. Hope he is ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 4 hours ago, lovemaskins said: most likely we have just next year. His price increases the longer we wait and he continues to improve and we can’t take advantage of the 5th year option. We should be resigning him after next year going into the final year of his rookie contract vice potentially playing the franchise tag game sans Kirk Cousins… it’s what the best teams did, San Diego, Philly, Kansas City, Cincy, all signed their QBs early… letting the contract expire isn’t smart. Extending him after next year will still limit the cap hit in 2025 bc the base salary will remain low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 I would rather grab Al Shair off the Titans vs White, Queen, Brooks and others mentioned. Al Shair is a green dot who is not going to break the bank - the other guys are not (except Brooks) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, oraphus said: Looks like Cole Holcomb got hurt tonight. Knee injury. Hope he is ok I didn’t see it, but the way the announcers described it, it sounded pretty bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: I didn’t see it, but the way the announcers described it, it sounded pretty bad. It was. They showed one replay of the Hopkins catch and you can see it. Sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Might have missed this, when we traded Sweat and Young did their remaining contract money for this season go with them ? Or did we eat some of that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Est.1974 said: Might have missed this, when we traded Sweat and Young did their remaining contract money for this season go with them ? Or did we eat some of that ? I may be totally wrong, but I think the standard for trades are any bonuses get accelerated to the trading team's cap but the team getting the player has to pay their regular salary, unless some sort of deal is worked out. So I think we have basically nine games of rookie contract signing bonus hitting us, but Chicago and San Fran are taking their base salary 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 11 hours ago, clskinsfan said: Anyone else been playing with draft games with the extra 2 picks? Do it and realize why getting rid of dead weight for 2nd and 3rds makes sense. And even if those picks dont hit. Neither did the players we traded. Gutting the 31st ranked defense in the NFL was the right move. The rebuild has started. EMBRACE IT. Josh Harris and/or Shiny New Eugene. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 I wish we would have traded Manny Forbes to Pitt for Joey Porter. You see him lock down Hopkins? In his grill calling incompletions before the ball gets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: I wish we would have traded Manny Forbes to Pitt for Joey Porter. You see him lock down Hopkins? In his grill calling incompletions before the ball gets there. We probably could traded Forbes for Porters jock carrier today. He needs to prove he is worthy before we could ever get anything for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 In the total hypothetical realm, assuming the market for Chase Young is not there due to the injury and he could be signed here for say 4 years 60 million dollars this offseason, would you guys do it? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, philibusters said: In the total hypothetical realm, assuming the market for Chase Young is not there due to the injury and he could be signed here for say 4 years 60 million dollars this offseason, would you guys do it? After the coaches said they would have dealt him for any pick they could get, because they wanted him off the team that badly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: After the coaches said they would have dealt him for any pick they could get, because they wanted him off the team that badly? The coaches never said that. For what its worth the beat writers never insinuated that is how the coaches felt (except for maybe Chris Russell who is more prone to give hot takes on social media than any of the other beat reporters). What the beat writers did say was that the team didn't plan on resigning Chase Young this offseason regardless of what happened with Montez Sweat. The fans kind of intrepreted that as teh coaches wanted him off the team. I think the reality is Young aggravated the coaches some because of his free lancing and him skipping OTA's and not always taking to coaching, but just as big of a factor was his injury history. With those two things in mind, they didn't want to heavily invest in him. But, if he was available for a reasonable price, say 4 years 56 million, I do think that would change the equation, not just with the fans, but with the organization. Now I think this is all highly unlikely, but I just thought it was an interesting hypothetical. Edited November 3, 2023 by philibusters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) Chase's ideal role a few years from now may be sideline hype guy at DT in obvious passing downs. Situational player. I cant shake the feeling that if we kept him he'd have likely sat out disgruntled from our insulting offer for a 2nd OA or from being tagged. Edited November 3, 2023 by RandyHolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, philibusters said: The coaches never said that. For what its worth the beat writers never insinuated that is how the coaches felt (except for maybe Chris Russell who is more prone to give hot takes on social media than any of the other beat reporters). What the beat writers did say was that the team didn't plan on resigning Chase Young this offseason regardless of what happened with Montez Sweat. The fans kind of intrepreted that as teh coaches wanted him off the team. I think the reality is Young aggravated the coaches some because of his free lancing and him skipping OTA's and not always taking to coaching, but just as big of a factor was his injury history. With those two things in mind, they didn't want to heavily invest in him. But, if he was available for a reasonable price, say 4 years 56 million, I do think that would change the equation, not just with the fans, but with the organization. Now I think this is all highly unlikely, but I just thought it was an interesting hypothetical. There was a tweet during a game a few weeks ago when Ron and the coaches stayed out of the locker room. Said Chase stood up and said it's on the players doing their jobs and not the coaches and everyone laughed at him. They've been leaking that Chase might be smoking weed when away from the team and is bad in the locker room. Ron said "we'd have taken a lower pick". Suggesting they might bring him back, is ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: Chase's ideal role a few years from now may be sideline hype guy at DT in obvious passing downs. Situational player. I cant shake the feeling that if we kept him he'd have likely sat out disgruntled from our insulting offer for a 2nd OA or from being tagged. Young has the 5th highest pass rush win rate in the NFL this season. I do agree that he is undisciplined (both as a pass rusher and run defender), but I feel like fans perspective has veered way off course since he was traded. He was playing reasonably well this year. 2 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: There was a tweet during a game a few weeks ago when Ron and the coaches stayed out of the locker room. Said Chase stood up and said it's on the players doing their jobs and not the coaches and everyone laughed at him. They've been leaking that Chase might be smoking weed when away from the team and is bad in the locker room. Ron said "we'd have taken a lower pick". Suggesting they might bring him back, is ridiculous. Did Ron actually say that? That is a bit weird for a coach to say. John Keim said they likely would have traded him for a 4th rounder, but the premise is that you might as well get what you can because there is no intention to bring him back. Back again a lot of that has to do with money and his injury. And yes I definitely think he aggravated the coaches at times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 3 hours ago, MrJL said: I may be totally wrong, but I think the standard for trades are any bonuses get accelerated to the trading team's cap but the team getting the player has to pay their regular salary, unless some sort of deal is worked out. So I think we have basically nine games of rookie contract signing bonus hitting us, but Chicago and San Fran are taking their base salary We went from $3m in cap space to $10m, per OvertheCap. 12 hours ago, clskinsfan said: Anyone else been playing with draft games with the extra 2 picks? Do it and realize why getting rid of dead weight for 2nd and 3rds makes sense. And even if those picks dont hit. Neither did the players we traded. Gutting the 31st ranked defense in the NFL was the right move. The rebuild has started. EMBRACE IT. Uh ... yeah ... me. I have a problem lol. I usually wait until at least February to start running the mock drafts. SO much can change with the draft process that it doesn't even make sense to do them until a few weeks out. At this point guys we are drafting in the 3rd and 4th round could easily be 1st rounders (see the OT from Oregon State) but it's a fun exercise nonetheless 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Est.1974 said: Might have missed this, when we traded Sweat and Young did their remaining contract money for this season go with them ? Or did we eat some of that ? I was curious too so I looked it up and Spotrac shows Chase cap hit on SF ~$3 mil and Sweat on Bears ~$6.4 mil so you'd think ours would go up $9.4 mil this year. It aligns with our post trade cap, according to Spotrac that's $16.5 mil. Prior to the trade it was somewhere in the $7 mil range. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) Here's what Overthecap has: And here's what our cap would be if we cut Leno and Thomas after the season (Standard cuts, not post-June 1st) So if we roll like $7m over to 2024, we're looking at about $112m if we cut Leno and Thomas Edited November 3, 2023 by JamesMadisonSkins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Just now, HigSkin said: I was curious too so I looked it up and Spotrac shows Chase cap hit on SF ~$3 mil and Sweat on Bears ~$6.4 mil so you'd think ours would go up $9.4 mil this year. It aligns with our post trade cap, according to Spotrac that's $16.5 mil. Prior to the trade it was somewhere in the $7 mil range. You would not expect to go up 9.4 million because we signed two new guys to the roster. Granted they are going to be cheap players, but you expect to go up like 8 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 This is what Spotrac shows 2 minutes ago, philibusters said: You would not expect to go up 9.4 million because we signed two new guys to the roster. Granted they are going to be cheap players, but you expect to go up like 8 million. Who'd we sign? I must have missed that unless it was elevating from PS? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 27 minutes ago, DWinzit said: We probably could traded Forbes for Porters jock carrier today. He needs to prove he is worthy before we could ever get anything for him. That's why not extending Young made sense and the right move. 32 minutes ago, philibusters said: In the total hypothetical realm, assuming the market for Chase Young is not there due to the injury and he could be signed here for say 4 years 60 million dollars this offseason, would you guys do it? No still too big for me. Maybe 1 year 12mil with bonuses to prove it. To risky for me at 15 mil/year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 54 minutes ago, DWinzit said: We probably could traded Forbes for Porters jock carrier today. He needs to prove he is worthy before we could ever get anything for him. Haha. Hey Pittsburgh, we would like to trade for Porter. Ok, what's the offer? Danny Johnson's back up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 We'd be lucky to get Joey Porter senior for Forbes's sorry behind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 35 minutes ago, philibusters said: Young has the 5th highest pass rush win rate in the NFL this season. I do agree that he is undisciplined (both as a pass rusher and run defender), but I feel like fans perspective has veered way off course since he was traded. He was playing reasonably well this year. Sure we are laying it on thick. Some of us maybe veered off course years ago when he started grossly under performing to fans high expectations after being taken 2nd overall. I was kind of surprised he got rookie of the year to be honest, which further inflated fans expectations. I question the validity of win rate since as a full time player is not even top 20 in sacks. That reeks of him being inefficient. Rushing from the blind side he takes the lead in creating turnovers which is something the coaches stressed... and that didn't happen. Fact is he was a key cog on what is on pace to be the worst defense in team history (points and yards). https://deadspin.com/2023-nfl-sacks-leaders-1850875599 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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