BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, DJHJR86 said: Where are these posts? Yeah, @Jumbo and the rest of us are just making it all up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJHJR86 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Yeah, @Jumbo and the rest of us are just making it all up. That didn't answer my question. Where are they in this thread? Should be easy to find since "the Hive" is so active on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Is the answer calisthenics? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Wentz is in LA now meeting with a hand specialist, any guesses on when we find out how many games he’s out for, and who starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Week 2. There is no saving this season. Wait… you’re saying the team punted the season starting in week 2? 34 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: All of this. The middle of the Oline escorting defenders directly into him isn’t going to help the lack of arm/accuracy either. When TH has clean feet, and can give it everything he has - he can put a little mustard on it. That’s just not something this OL gives a QB very often. Totally agree here. I am not optimistic that we’ll see much, if any improvement with TH behind this oline, even though he moves better and understands the O better than Wentz. I gotta say, I’m in a weird spot here - I like Heinicke (even though I don’t think I’m under any illusions as to what he is and isn’t), so I’d like to see him play well. On the other hand, Howell is the one I really want to see behind center. And while I’d like the team to show some competence so I can at least be a bit less embarrassed to be a fan, I’d also like them to wind up with an early pick to improve our chances at landing a franchise qb*. Feels like a lose, lose situation across the board… *the combo of ownership and whether I trust this staff to develop/support such a qb is a different story. I’ve gotta have something to be hopeful about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 For me, I’m team “whoever the **** can win us games”. I like wentz. I like heinicke. I like Howell. I don’t hate any of them. Hopefully one of them can get us some wins or something….. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 What exactly is everyone who wants to keep Howell on the bench saving him for? It's very likely he is a career backup at best. But there is always that sliver of a chance he could be more. You cannot find that out with him riding pine. As far as if he is ready - there is nothing to suggest he is or he isn't. If he is, he should be given al lthe time they can possibly give him to earn the job - or at least a chance at #1 next season. If he is not, that will be evident very fast and gives you the answer to - do they need to draft a 1st rd QB next season. If the argument is draft a QB in the 1st rd no matter what I can at least see that argument. But you still need to see in live fire what Howell is capable of. Again, I am just not exactly sure of what people they are preserving by not playing him - and please save the "saving his life" line. He is an adult. He knows how to run. It's on him to stay alive 🙂 Unfortunatly I guess we will see TH. Same frustration jsut more frenetic movement (if he will use his legs again) and less pushing the ball downfield. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, KDawg said: And why do you think playing Howell shows the players he's punting on the season? Because Howell has arm strength? It doesn't make sense to think playing him hurts this team UNLESS he is struggling with the playbook, isn't improving and looking lost in practice. If that's the case, playing him IS punting on the season and the wrong move. If he has any semblance of ability to run the offense, however, he brings a similar set of skills to Heinicke, minus the playbook knowledge, and he has an arm in the ilk of Wentz. He's a mix of the two of those two guys. Would be shocked any veteran wants Howell to start. Can that change quickly by Howell balling out showing promise? 100%. 1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: I’m not sure how much a guy can really do to increase arm strength, approaching age 30. It’s not just about the deep ball though, or how far he can heave it down the field. There’s just a lot of throws defenses don’t have to account for with Taylor, hence every team getting closer and closer to the LOS as the season went on, and with that his performances got worse and worse. The Hive tends to believe that was primarily due to roster shakeup and missing pieces. I expect to see the same defensive strategies even with more folks healthy. I felt a large part of stacking the box was due to Washington playing smash mouth football and lacking talent on the outside. If I remember right, Mcclaurin was hobbled to close the year and that’s all Washington had after Mckissic and Thomas went down. 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: Exactly. Its not about being able to throw 50 yard bombs. Its about zipping in those 15-25 yard intermediate passes to the outer edges of the field. Heinicke simply can't execute those. This true 100%. In his defense he does threaten the intermediate areas consistently in the middle of the field. To your point, passes to the sidelines ain’t happening. 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: On top of that, people forget he's actually pretty terrible in terms of accuracy as well. How often did he overthrow open receivers or get our guys head hunted in the middle of the field? This was huge part of my frustration as I got to know him last year; sure, you can lack arm strength, but you must be deadly accurate. This coupled with him becoming pocket passer. 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: You thought this offense was bad with Wentz...just wait till you see it with Heinicke. Nah man, there’s no way this can be a real conclusion after watching Wentz and the offense. Wentz is playing below average football, Heineke established this level throughout the entirety of last season. 100% believe the Washington offense will establish better rhythm and overall flow with Taylor when comparing what we’ve seen from Wentz this season to Taylor last season. This is not to say I believe Taylor is better, due to feeling Wentz has a potential higher ceiling in the offense. but he’s not earned that distinction to date. The offense hasn’t in the least proved to be better with Wentz than with Taylor last year. 31 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: That’s the neat part about it all. The Hive generally puts out a disclaimer that they know he’s not a god send, and most likely only the best backup QB in the world. But then they go on and on describing his play as anything but pedestrian. Touting that he’s super mobile, doesn’t take sacks, great at reading defenses, and the list goes on. If he was really that great at all that stuff, he’d be pretty close to a god send for this team. This is just classic backupitis when the offense can’t get anything going with the starter, guys start convincing themselves the backup is the answer. Wentz is playing below average football, when you’re playing at this level you deserve to be grouped with QBs 20-40 in the NFL. Not much separating that level of QB. Edited October 17, 2022 by wit33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 IMO TH has a decent shot to beat the Packers. Rodgers is suffering from the exact thing TH was last year, and it was broadcast across the nation on tv of how much he needed weapons; weapons gone or injured. Again, not trying to be a defender of TH, if he doesn't have it he doesn't have it, but 99.5% of QBs coming into the league went through a sophomore slump, they played bad, but then picked it up the next year. Now, Turner's play calling will have alot to do with his success or failure, if he strictly sticks to Turner's calls or he extends the plays, and thats 1 thing that TH is far more better at than Wentz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, DJHJR86 said: He played terrible in this game. A lot of 3rd and longs that didn't get converted. You're telling me! lol... 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, wit33 said: Wentz is playing below average football, when you’re playing at this level you deserve to be grouped with QBs 20-40 in the NFL. Not much separating that level of QB. Not sure what Wentz play has to do with anything I’ve said. Wentz being bad doesn’t make Heineke good, or even better. Im all in on a disaster season, so playing Heineke or whomever doesn’t bother me a bit. My only point is that if Heineke was as skilled as he’s made out to be by some of our posters, he’d actually be considered a pretty damn good player, lack of arm strength or not. They say he’s not a franchise QB but then describe pretty much a franchise QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: You're telling me! lol... At this point, I’d be elated and encouraged with that score during this stage of the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Heinicke will perform better than Wentz and his 0 3rd down conversions & 0 points in the first half of multiple games. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Re: the "Hive" talk... When you have multiple ES posters starting their posts with "I'm not part of the Hive, but..."...to me it means the "Hive" talk is getting way too overblown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Love Heinicke and his grit, but please lord let Howell play! I’m with KDawg on this one. He was a sure-fire first rounder had he come out last year. I’m beyond excited to see Howell play and see what he can do with these weapons. He’s got the speed and can Chuck the ball. I have a feeling he’s got the Herbert effect 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, SemperFi Skins said: Love Heinicke and his grit, but please lord let Howell play! I’m with KDawg on this one. He was a sure-fire first rounder had he come out last year. I’m beyond excited to see Howell play and see what he can do with these weapons. He’s got the speed and can Chuck the ball. I have a feeling he’s got the Herbert effect Howell isn't gonna play until we're mathematically eliminated. He's a project and Ron would lose the locker room if he played Howell as it'd basically be punting the season. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, Warhead36 said: Howell isn't gonna play until we're mathematically eliminated. He's a project and Ron would lose the locker room if he played Howell as it'd basically be punting the season. I look at it the other way, he’s only a ‘project’ until he’s not… he’s got as much, if not more, talent than any other rookies playing on game day. And you’re assuming he’s worse than Heinicke. I 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, SemperFi Skins said: I look at it the other way, he’s only a ‘project’ until he’s not… he’s got as much, if not more, talent than any other rookies playing on game day. And you’re assuming he’s worse than Heinicke. I I'm not assuming anything. He's a 5th round pick. He's small and has unpolished mechanics. No team in their right mind would start a guy like that over someone like Heinicke who, even with all his flaws, at least has legitimate NFL experience, while the season is still in play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) Our OL has been a turnstile but did seem better last week regardless it sure seems like a difficult time for us to see what Howell has. I can assure you will see him under duress if that saves anyone keystrokes. I am curious why can't we see what he has next week or the week after when he has gotten more 2nd string reps and been exposed to 20% more live games. Or you know, actually been dressed for an NFL game and been a backup first. Just seems rushed to push in Howell right now but I know its fueled by fans quest for instant gratification, knowledge that the books already written on Taylor, curiosity, and or tank for picks mentality. I want to see him play too but admit I am being selfish. I still want to see both QBs deployed. Heck even on a gimmick at the same time - a nice way to get his feet wet maybe just make him a decoy out wide. But if an OC doesn't have audibles rest assured he has no 2 QB plays. If Taylor cant throw a Mary bring in Howell. Get him involved before handing him the keys. Can anyone even cite 1 time a #2 QB with knowledge of the playbook was skipped when injury has struck down the starter? It would be like Al Saunders skipping Todd Collins and rolling rookie Sudfeld. Admittedly I do like the concept of the game day backup / next game backup for certain positions. Edited October 17, 2022 by RandyHolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime441 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Heiny will give them a spark, he has sneaky speed which will help alleviate the o-line woes. I recall reading here that he was training with an arm strength specialist. The guy has undeniable grit, hopefully he proves us all wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) Space Laser Edited October 17, 2022 by RandyHolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebestian Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) Wentz out 4-6 weeks-possible IR.....Bleacher Report Heinicke to start in his place. Let it begin, this should be fun. Bleacher Report@BleacherReport Carson Wentz (fractured ring finger) could miss up to 4-6 weeks for the Commanders, per @MikeGarafolo, @RapSheet He's seeing a hand specialist today. https://t.co/PYBlpT5Dp0 Edited October 17, 2022 by sebestian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Other than that 1st game I don't see a difference between CW and TH stretching the field. I think TH's escapability and making plays out of the pocket helps tremendously. Seeing how Turner is calling plays that CW is weak at..short..mid..TH will be better. That's not saying TH is better than CW, just that Turner isn't or can't use CW's strengths (Oline issue or Turner's stubborn play calling) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebestian Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, SemperFi Skins said: Love Heinicke and his grit, but please lord let Howell play! I’m with KDawg on this one. He was a sure-fire first rounder had he come out last year. I’m beyond excited to see Howell play and see what he can do with these weapons. He’s got the speed and can Chuck the ball. I have a feeling he’s got the Herbert effect That's why it is never going to happen. Sadly all the things that make sense around this franchise, seem to never happen. We should be 0-6, I mean really, and now where talking about beating the Packers.......sigh, nevermind 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tundra scout Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, sebestian said: That's why it is never going to happen. Sadly all the things that make sense around this franchise, seem to never happen. We should be 0-6, I mean really, and now where talking about beating the Packers.......sigh, nevermind 🤦♂️ Should be 3-3. I like to stay positive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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