2023 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Warhead36]

OL is definitely still on the table for 16. Its just no longer a force pick.

 

We really can take BAP, but I badly wanna trade down(and this is coming from someone that is normally against trading down).

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

47 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

OL is definitely still on the table for 16. Its just no longer a force pick.

 

We really can take BAP, but I badly wanna trade down(and this is coming from someone that is normally against trading down).

 

Only way I can see it on the table is if Paris Johnson falls. A talent you can't pass up on. I don't want to go OL at 16, but it would be difficult to say no to that.

 

Is that also Skoronski at Guard, at 16? I think this is the only remaining argument for OL, and it's a valid one, but deals with positional value more.

[Going Commando]

Harrison has value at 16.  Dude is a potential pro bowl tackle.

[philibusters]

1 hour ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

Only way I can see it on the table is if Paris Johnson falls. A talent you can't pass up on. I don't want to go OL at 16, but it would be difficult to say no to that.

 

Is that also Skoronski at Guard, at 16? I think this is the only remaining argument for OL, and it's a valid one, but deals with positional value more.

 

If Skonronski is there are 16, he very well could be the best player available.  

[Skinsinparadise]

No meetings as far as I know with Broderick Jones and then adding this in makes me think he might not be on their radar 

 

 

 

 

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Is everyone off the TE wagon at 16 now? I’m alllll aboard for Mayer now we’ve made some good OL moves. 

[seantaylor=god]

2 minutes ago, TheMalcolmConnection said:

Is everyone off the TE wagon at 16 now? I’m alllll aboard for Mayer now we’ve made some good OL moves. 

I think TE is deep in the draft so I wouldn’t go there at 16, I don’t think one is that much better to warrant that. I absolutely think we draft a TE in this draft. 

[CommandB11]

3 minutes ago, TheMalcolmConnection said:

Is everyone off the TE wagon at 16 now? I’m alllll aboard for Mayer now we’ve made some good OL moves. 

I think Mayer could be availabke in R2.

[ntotoro]

Does Stetson Bennett count as a veteran QB? 🤣

[Going Commando]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

No meetings as far as I know with Broderick Jones and then adding this in makes me think he might not be on their radar 

 

Good.  Nolan Smith and Kelee Ringo are the only early round Georgia kids that kind of interests me.  But the only guy I really want us to get from that team is Chris Smith.  But we don't need to meet with him more than once to know he's a good egg.

[Skinsinparadise]

7 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

Good.  Nolan Smith and Kelee Ringo are the only early round Georgia kids that kind of interests me.  But the only guy I really want us to get from that team is Chris Smith.  But we don't need to meet with him more than once to know he's a good egg.

 

Christopher Smith has been one of my guys for months, so am with you.  I am also big on Anton Harrison.  So our takes dovetail quite a bit on this draft with some small exceptions.

[Daniel.redskins]

My money is on Darnell Wright at 16.  We really need another tackle.  I think we are ok at guard and center. 

I think Ron is eyeing a lb in the second or third.  He must have a plan after letting Holcomb leave.  

[Skinsinparadise]

19 minutes ago, Daniel.redskins said:

My money is on Darnell Wright at 16.  We really need another tackle.  I think we are ok at guard and center. 

I think Ron is eyeing a lb in the second or third.  He must have a plan after letting Holcomb leave.  

Was just watching another one of his games just now, half way through the Georgia game and he held his own in pass protection thus far.  Wright, Harrison, Dawand would be my bet if they took a tackle.  Harrison though is the one in that mix who can play LT which I gather they might see as a bigger premium because I'd gather they'd want to swap out Leno maybe after next season.  Wright played LT the season before last but he wasn't as good as he was at RT -- IMO he needs to improve his balance and run blocking, but on the aggregate i like him.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[SoCalSkins]

I have been watching UCLA football since before Aikman was playing there and Zack Charbonnet is the best running back to come out of UCLA. I really hope we land him day 2 with the compensatory 3rd if he falls. 
 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Was watching Foskey just now, saw him matched up to Dawand for about half the game and Paris Johnson the other half.  Both handled him really well.  Paris I think for sure is gone before 16.  But for the tackles likely left at 16...

 

I'll double down in agreement with some here.

 

1. Dawand Jones

2.. Anton Harrison

3.  Darnell Wright

 

Anton and Jones to me is a toss up.  I like Jones better at RT than I think I'd like Anton.  But I like that Anton could end up the LT of the future.  Really smooth in pass protect, good athlete that has potential in the run game and is only 20.

 

I like Darnell but there is sort of a frantic aspect of how he plays, both with his hands and feet, hard for me to explain.  With Dawand he just comes off smoother and less frantic as a player.  Wright seems to move his hands and feet too much where you can almost feel his nervousness in obvious passing downs. 

 

Also Wright ends up on his butt or lol the defender ends up on his butt interacting with Wright on a number of plays -- in the NFL when the defender ends up on the ground it often ends up as a penalty whether deserved or not. 

 

At the same time you can see on some plays Wright's athleticism on display including the run game, he sometimes misses his target on the move but for a big dude he can move and certainly can move better to the 2nd level than Dawand.  But if I were a QB I'd feel safer having Dawand protecting my right side. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[mhd24]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Was watching Foskey just now, saw him matched up to Dawand for about half the game and Paris Johnson the other half.  Both handled him really well.  Paris in think for sure is gone before 16.  But for the tackles left.

 

I'll double down in agreement with some here.

 

1. Dawand Jones

2..  Anton Harrison

3.  Darnell Wright

 

Anton and Jones to me is a toss up.  I like Jones better at RT.  But I like that Anton could end up the LT of the furture.

 

I like Darnell but there is sort of a frantic aspect of how he plays, both with his hands and feet, hard for me to explain.  With Dawand he just comes off smoother and less frantic as a player.  Wright seems to move his hands and feet too much where you can almost feel his nervousness in obvious passing downs. 

 

Also Wright ends up on his butt or lol the defender ends up on his butt on a number of plays -- in the NFL when the defender ends up on the ground it often ends up as a penalty. 

 

At the same time you can see on some plays Wright's athleticism on display including the run game, he sometimes misses his target on the move but for a big dude he can move and certainly can move better to the 2nd level than Dawand.  But if I were a QB I'd feel safer having Dawand protecting my right side. 

 

 

I think unless Paris Johnson or Skoronski (ready players) are there, we are trying to trade down big time.  Not having a pick between the mid 2nd until our comp pick stinks.  I figure we try and land a mid 3rd to get one.  The positions that are realistically targets for us can be had in the later part of the 1st round.  

[Skinsinparadise]

3 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

 

I think unless Paris Johnson or Skoronski (ready players) are there, we are trying to trade down big time.  Not having a pick between the mid 2nd until our comp pick stinks.  I figure we try and land a mid 3rd to get one.  The positions that are realistically targets for us can be had in the later part of the 1st round.  

 

I think almost all of us have agreed on that as to trading down.  But wanting to trade down doesn't always mean there is a taker.   I recall Keim for example saying they would have considered trading down years ago from 19 but no interest in the pick.  Will see.  I assume they want to trade down but got no idea clearly if that's how they see it.

 

To me Skoronski is not a slam dunk run to the podium pick at 16 but I know the draft media thinks it is.  I like Skoronski's potential at guard -- IMO could be Scherff Part 2.   I'd like the move but not giddy level like -- I'd be giddy if Paris Johnson fell to 16 though.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[mhd24]

3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I think almost all of us have agreed on that as to trading down.  But wanting to trade down doesn't always mean there is a taker.   I recall Keim for example saying they would have considered trading down years ago from 19 but no interest in the pick.  Will see.  I assume they want to trade down but got no idea clearly if that's how they see it.

 

To me Skoronski is not a slam dunk run to the podium pick at 16 but I know the draft media thinks it is.  I like Skoronski's potential at guard -- IMO could be Scherff Part 2.   I'd like the move but not giddy level like -- I'd be giddy if Paris Johnson fell to 16 though.

Oh I agree with you regarding needed two to tango.  I think WR1 will be there at 16.  If teams wants a WR, they could trade up to 16 to get whomever they desire.  Or if Porter is there at 16 for example, we could trade down to a team that wants him if we don't like him.  

 

Skoronski provides that "versatility" that Ron craves.  He'll be an excellent guard for sure.  I actually don't think he gets to 16 personally.  I could see GB or the Jets (if they still have #13) taking him.

[Koolblue13]

7 hours ago, clskinsfan said:

 

I havent watched their pro day yet but apparently Carter really stunk up the joint. Came in overweight, struggled with drills and did no athletic testing at all. Quite a slide coming for the guy many had as the number one prospect in this draft. With the legal stuff he may not even be a first rounder anymore. 

I think he's a mental breakdown guy that can't be drafted and is in prision in a year.

1 hour ago, SoCalSkins said:

I have been watching UCLA football since before Aikman was playing there and Zack Charbonnet is the best running back to come out of UCLA. I really hope we land him day 2 with the compensatory 3rd if he falls. 
 

 

I think he's special. I'd be happy with him at 47.

[Est.1974]

I don’t want us to draft an OT that projects to move inside. I also don’t want to draft a pure RT. We are exposed at LT in my view.

 

If we do draft an OT it needs to be one that has clear potential at both RT and LT.

 

Sounds like Harrison is that prospect ? What about day 2 prospects that realistically have LT potential. As in starter material in say ‘24 after an earlier spell at RT.....

[Skinsinparadise]

Isaiah Foskey, edge from Notre Dame.  6 '5, 264. Built in a lab, with long 34 inch arms and freak athlete.  2 back to back college seasons with good sack production.   Watched 2 games and highlights.

 

Comes off to me like a try hard pass rusher, not a lot of moves.  He will stutter step, bull rush or try to get to the outside shoulder of the O lineman and swat their arm down.  Decent bend when getting around the O lineman and rushing towards the QB.  

 

Good finisher, his percentage of sacks to his pressures is good.  OK in run defense.  some have him in the last first, early 2nd.  To me he's a mid to late 2nd rounder because his traits and potential.

 

What turned me off some is Paris Johnson and Dawnad Jones, NFL caliber tackles really had no problem containing them -- once they got their arms locked on him, it was over. 

 

But what I like about him is like Kerrigan was, once he gets home he makes things happen, brings the QB down, strips sacks, etc, finishes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[skinsfan66]

19 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

I think we’ve moved away from multiple OL in the draft now. Unless we took a later round C maybe. The draft may well go in a very different direction to what it first appeared. Next few days will make things a bit clearer IMO.

 

19 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I still think drafting OT in the first is a priority. 

 

Whylie is not good and Leno is old.

Bingo

19 hours ago, Chump Bailey said:

Marlon Mack might make for an interesting RB signing if he's available. 

Is he still in the NFL?

[Skinsinparadise]

9 hours ago, mhd24 said:

Oh I agree with you regarding needed two to tango.  I think WR1 will be there at 16.  If teams wants a WR, they could trade up to 16 to get whomever they desire.  Or if Porter is there at 16 for example, we could trade down to a team that wants him if we don't like him.  

 

Skoronski provides that "versatility" that Ron craves.  He'll be an excellent guard for sure.  I actually don't think he gets to 16 personally.  I could see GB or the Jets (if they still have #13) taking him.

 

I mentioned this after watching Skoronski IMHO if I am picking top 10, no way am I picking him.  I know some here like @KDawg agreed with me.  

 

At 16, that actually looks more in his range IMO.  I know the draft media is in love with him.  But i am discovering not all of them. It was interesting for me to discover, ironically yesterday when I played with about 7 simiulation mocks from Pro Football Network that they had him available at 16 every time our pick came up, if I recall they had him ranked 22.

 

My guess is the draft media is overplaying Soronoski a little but I could be wrong, we will see.  IMO he doesn't bring that versatility -- he's a pure guard.  But I agree that he likely ends up a really good guard, maybe excellent, but I think high floor player. 

[Koolblue13]

15 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Isaiah Foskey, edge from Notre Dame.  6 '5, 264. Built in a lab, with long 34 inch arms and freak athlete.  2 back to back college seasons with good sack production.   Watched 2 games and highlights.

 

Comes off to me like a try hard pass rusher, not a lot of moves.  He will stutter step, bull rush or try to get to the outside shoulder of the O lineman and swat their arm down.  Decent bend when getting around the O lineman and rushing towards the QB.  

 

Good finisher, his percentage of sacks to his pressures is good.  OK in run defense.  some have him in the last first, early 2nd.  To me he's a mid to late 2nd rounder because his traits and potential.

 

What turned me off some is Paris Johnson and Dawnad Jones, NFL caliber tackles really had no problem containing them -- once they got their arms locked on him, it was over. 

 

But what I like about him is like Kerrigan was, once he gets home he makes things happen, brings the QB down, strips sacks, etc, finishes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think he's a fit for us. A little too small for our line. Would be great as a day 3 pass rush specialist. I just don't see where he's play for us.

 

I really like him though.

[Skinsinparadise]

3 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

I don’t want us to draft an OT that projects to move inside. I also don’t want to draft a pure RT. We are exposed at LT in my view.

 

If we do draft an OT it needs to be one that has clear potential at both RT and LT.

 

Sounds like Harrison is that prospect ? What about day 2 prospects that realistically have LT potential. As in starter material in say ‘24 after an earlier spell at RT.....

 

IMO not a lot of high floor LT prospects.

 

As to first rounders its IMO just Paris Johnsom and Anton Harrison and Broderick Jones.  Paris is likely gone.  Harrison I like.  Jones has some boom-bust in him IMO.

 

As to 2nd IMO Bergeron.

 

3rd:  Freeland, maybe Duncan but both have some serious bust potential albiet good athletes.  Duncan arms are only 33. 

 

4th roundish:  Carter Warren?  Just started watching him.  He has the length.

 

Dawand and Wright IMO are good prospects but are pure RTs.  Wanya Morris has the arm length to play LT but IMO has some bust potential.

 

Some good tackles who IMO will likely be good guards not tackles in the NFL: Skoronski, Mauch, Steen, Daniels, maybe Hayes, McFadden

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by Skinsinparadise