2023 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[skinsfan66]

10 hours ago, Daniel.redskins said:

My money is on Darnell Wright at 16.  We really need another tackle.  I think we are ok at guard and center. 

I think Ron is eyeing a lb in the second or third.  He must have a plan after letting Holcomb leave.  

Don't think he wanted to let Holcomb go? He had a deal with Pitts the first day just not reported and went out and signed a very similar LB from Seattle. Agree on LB 2nd or 3rd, needed one before he was left. T 1st. 

[Skinsinparadise]

19 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't think he's a fit for us. A little too small for our line. Would be great as a day 3 pass rush specialist. I just don't see where he's play for us.

 

I really like him though.

 

Pretty normal size for a pass rusher.  Almost exactly identical size to Montez Sweat.    I think he's better than a pass rushing specialist, he can play the run.  Not pounding the table for the player though

[Koolblue13]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Pretty normal size for a pass rusher.  Almost exactly identical size to Montez Sweat.    I think he's better than a pass rushing specialist, he can play the run.  Not pounding the table for the player though

I guess you're right. Sweats a little taller, longer. I'd be happy with this player, just not where he'll probably go.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[skinsfan66]

10 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:

I have been watching UCLA football since before Aikman was playing there and Zack Charbonnet is the best running back to come out of UCLA. I really hope we land him day 2 with the compensatory 3rd if he falls. 
 

 

 Better than Maurice Jones Drew? I

[Est.1974]

29 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

IMO not a lot of high floor LT prospects.

 

As to first rounders its IMO just Paris Johnsom and Anton Harrison and Broderick Jones.  Paris is likely gone.  Harrison I like.  Jones has some boom-bust in him IMO.

 

As to 2nd IMO Bergeron.

Thanks, so for me if we go OL in the draft it needs to be early and for one of these prospects above with some real potential at LT. 

[Skinsinparadise]

9 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I guess you're right. Sweats a little taller, longer. I'd be happy with this player, just not where he'll probably go.

 

If you looking for a bigger dude pre combine Tuli Tuipulotu was like 290.  At the combine he showed up though at 266.   I reviewed him on this thread a few weeks ago.

 

Unlike Foskey, Tuli did have a variety of pass rushing moves.  He didn't seem as quick off the line as Foskey.  But at his current weight, i am confused.  I liked him at his old weight rushing from the interior.  Now not too sure?  But being 25 pounds lighter I'd guess his get off is better.  He is good against the run.

 

But with this shift in his physique I got no idea how to assess him.   Makes him a bit of a boom-bust prospect to me.  But I like the fire he plays with and when he hits a QB looked like a car crash at his old weight.

Edited March 16 by Skinsinparadise

[Koolblue13]

This is such a sneaky good draft for the kind of RB that we need to add.

[Skinsinparadise]

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

This is such a sneaky good draft for the kind of RB that we need to add.

 

Edge, CB, RB, TE IMO.

[skinsfan66]

31 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

IMO not a lot of high floor LT prospects.

 

As to first rounders its IMO just Paris Johnsom and Anton Harrison and Broderick Jones.  Paris is likely gone.  Harrison I like.  Jones has some boom-bust in him IMO.

 

As to 2nd IMO Bergeron.

 

3rd:  Freeland, maybe Duncan but both have some serious bust potential albiet good athletes.  Duncan arms are only 33. 

 

4th roundish:  Carter Warren?  Just started watching him.  He has the length.

 

Dawand and Wright IMO are good prospects but are pure RTs.  Wanya Morris has the arm length to play LT but IMO has some bust potential.

 

Some good tackles who IMO will likely be good guards not tackles in the NFL: Skoronski, Mauch, Steen, Daniels, maybe Hayes, McFadden

 

So if Paris falls out of top 10 do we trade up several spots to get him? Maybe offer a 2nd next year or....? 

[Est.1974]

Teams going to need a LB. I would be surprised if we did so in the first couple of rounds, but soon after we’ll have to add some LB quality to the rosters....assuming a FA pick up doesn’t happen unexpectedly.

[Skinsinparadise]

Just now, skinsfan66 said:

So if Paris falls out of top 10 do we trade up several spots to get him? Maybe offer a 2nd next year or....? 

 

Maybe.  He's IMO high floor, high ceiling.  Not sure they'd do it though.  They seem bent on adding picks typically on draft day.

[Koolblue13]

Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Edge, CB, RB, TE IMO.

QB is pretty good also. 4 first rounders and a bunch of guys who could go day 2 and early day 3.

[Est.1974]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Edge, CB, RB, TE IMO.

I’m back towards CB and TE first couple of picks. Thus my concern on OL. Can we find another upgrade in FA. 

[Skinsinparadise]

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

QB is pretty good also. 4 first rounders and a bunch of guys who could go day 2 and early day 3.

 

The sort of 3rd tier guys are all sort of in that same range ability wise -- not sure how good they will be.  i haven't watched them all but I like Haener, Clayton Tune.  At the end of the draft Thompson-Robinson.  But Stetson, Duggan, Bagent, O'Connell are in that same range.  Depends on your flavor.  I haven't really studied any of them, I stumbed on Tune when watching another player.  But I'll get to watching them all eventually.  

[method man]

2 minutes ago, skinsfan66 said:

So if Paris falls out of top 10 do we trade up several spots to get him? Maybe offer a 2nd next year or....? 

I looked at a bunch of mocks and Paris is not falling beyond 11 to the Titans (I know they signed Dillard but they could use another tackle). If he somehow falls to 12, I am up for moving the 3rd comp pick and the 4th

[Skinsinparadise]

3 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

I’m back towards CB and TE first couple of picks. Thus my concern on OL. Can we find another upgrade in FA. 

 

Sticking with Keim on this.  It's amazing how he does it becuase no one else on the beat seems to have a clue on their intentions.  He did it again and nailed Brissett before they took him.

 

He still thinks they are going O line earlish.   

[skinsfan66]

13 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Thats who I like if we take a RB. Agree with this totally.  

[Koolblue13]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

The sort of 3rd tier guys are all sort of in that same range ability wise -- not sure how good they will be.  i haven't watched them all but I like Haener, Clayton Tune.  At the end of the draft Thompson-Robinson.  But Stetson, Duggan, Bagent, O'Connell are in that same range.  Depends on your flavor.  I haven't really studied any of them, I stumbed on Tune when watching another player.  But I'll get to watching them all eventually.  

I trust your gut on QBs and always follow your lead on them.

 

You don't really see many drafts that are heavy with QBs at all three levels like this.

1 minute ago, method man said:

I looked at a bunch of mocks and Paris is not falling beyond 11 to the Titans (I know they signed Dillard but they could use another tackle). If he somehow falls to 12, I am up for moving the 3rd comp pick and the 4th

I'm guessing that 3rd is going to best available IOL (Center)  and I'd hate to lose that. I'm a big fan of the trade back for an extra day two pick.

[Est.1974]

Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Sticking with Keim on this.  It's amazing how he does it becuase no one else on the beat seems to have a clue on their intentions.  He did it again and nailed Brissett before they took him.

 

He still thinks they are going O line earlish.   

Yeah it does appear that way, although I think that means both of our FA pick ups are slated to play instead and we get a starting RT in the draft. Been mixed messages on the plans for Wylie . We do have flex options so it’s no big deal right now. As I’ve said, LT depth is a concern and could undermine a whole load of things if our vet starter goes down. That’s why I’d like us to aim high if it is OL and get a RT/LT prospect.

[KDawg]

11 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

The sort of 3rd tier guys are all sort of in that same range ability wise -- not sure how good they will be.  i haven't watched them all but I like Haener, Clayton Tune.  At the end of the draft Thompson-Robinson.  But Stetson, Duggan, Bagent, O'Connell are in that same range.  Depends on your flavor.  I haven't really studied any of them, I stumbed on Tune when watching another player.  But I'll get to watching them all eventually.  

 

With you on Haener and Tune.

 

I disagree SLIGHTLY on where Bagent fits. I think he belongs in the same conversation as those two. 

 

Bennett, Duggan are a notch above O'Connell, imo.

 

I will leave my comments to myself on the other guy you mentioned

[Skinsinparadise]

28 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I trust your gut on QBs and always follow your lead on them.

 

You don't really see many drafts that are heavy with QBs at all three levels like this.

 

Thanks, I've gotten my share of them wrong, too. 

 

The way i am looking at these guys is in the framework of being a backup.    IMO if they end up a good backup, especially in the late 4th through 7th, that's a good pick.  Heck the Eagles had a spell where they'd unload their backup QBs for good hauls in trades.  A backup young QB who can play and perhaps has just enough to tease where you can trade them later on for a draft pick. 

 

I've talked enough about Haener.  Basically a more accurate and stronger arm (albiet he doesn't have overall a strong arm) version of Heinicke.

 

With Clayton Tune as I mentioned here before, I was watching Tank Dell but I couldn't miss their QB (if i recall it was against Cincy) getting beat up by the pass rush, yet he didn't seem rattled.  Dudes like Wentz among others once you beat them up they tend to play skittish and start rushing their throws but not Tune.  Also Tune has some really good escapability.   He could run but also had good vision as a runner like Howell did.  

 

He has good not great arm strength.  Seemed accurate on all three levels, under threw some deep balls.  Has nice size for the spot.  High intangibles. 

 

And that was me liking him before the combine, he killed the combine as to showcasing athleticism.  IMO a perfect roll the dice mid rounder type with a shot of being a good backup

 

 

 

 

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/fantasy/2023-pre-draft-fantasy-rookie-rankings-quarterback/

Tune had the highest on-target rate (78.1%) in this draft class with the highest on-target rate (79.5%) in the pocket. Only C.J. Stroud had a higher on-target rate than Tune’s 62.4% on throws 10 yards or further downfield and outside of the numbers. 

Tune also was a strong athlete at the combine, logging a 90th-percentile athletic score. Not only did Tune throw for 4,074 yards this past season, but he added 544 rushing yards, which was fourth in this draft class.

Edited March 16 by Skinsinparadise

[skinsfan66]

22 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

QB is pretty good also. 4 first rounders and a bunch of guys who could go day 2 and early day 3.

Really would want a quality QB this draft to get the pipeline started. draft 1 every couple drafts, get away from FA's.

[Koolblue13]

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Thanks, I've gotten my share of them wrong, too. 

 

The way i am looking at these guys is in the framework of being a backup.    IMO if they end up a good backup, especially in the late 4th through 7th, that's a good pick.  Heck the Eagles had a spell where they'd unload their bacup QBs for good hauls in trades.  A backup young QB who can play and perhaps has just enough to tease where you can trade them later on for a draft pick. 

 

I've talked enough about Haener.  Basically a more accurate and stronger arm (albiet he doesn't have overall a strong arm) version of Heinicke.

 

With Clayton Tune as I mentioned here before, I was watching Tank Dell but I couldn't miss their QB (if i recall it was against Cincy) getting beat up by the pass rush, yet he didn't seem rattled.  Dudes like Wentz among others once you beat them up they tend to play skittish and start rushing their throws but not Tune.  Also Tune has some really good escapability.   He could run but also had good vision as a runner like Howell did.  

 

He has good not great arm strength.  Seemed accurate on all three levels, under thr\ew some deep balls.  Has nice size for the spot.  High intangibles. 

 

And that was me liking him before the combine, he killed the combine as to showcasing athleticism.  IMO a perfect roll the dice mid rounder type with a shot of being a good backup

 

 

 

 

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/fantasy/2023-pre-draft-fantasy-rookie-rankings-quarterback/

Tune had the highest on-target rate (78.1%) in this draft class with the highest on-target rate (79.5%) in the pocket. Only C.J. Stroud had a higher on-target rate than Tune’s 62.4% on throws 10 yards or further downfield and outside of the numbers. 

Tune also was a strong athlete at the combine, logging a 90th-percentile athletic score. Not only did Tune throw for 4,074 yards this past season, but he added 544 rushing yards, which was fourth in this draft class.

His upside is fantastic for sure. 

[Chump Bailey]

1 hour ago, skinsfan66 said:

 

Bingo

Is he still in the NFL?

 

I assume so, He played well for the Broncos last season. It looks like we're likely going to draft somebody - no biggy.