BatteredFanSyndrome Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, zCommander said: Yeah it sucks to be well off in your life. Running your own biz is lots of hard work too. You probably don't want that at all. lol You’ve had better days, my dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, zCommander said: Edited December 10, 2022 by MisterPinstripe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: You’ve had better days, my dude. We all deserve better days. We all need better days. Maybe next year will be a step closer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, zCommander said: Yeah it sucks to be well off in your life. Running your own biz is lots of hard work too. You probably don't want that at all. lol My man you have to stop being so reflexively thin-skinned around here, you’ll enjoy it more edit: apologies, hadn’t gone to this page yet and seen that it’s been addressed. Wasn’t trying to pile on Edited December 10, 2022 by Conn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Super interesting segment with Tom and Ian on the potentially available QB's in 2023 Some naming highlights: FA guys they mention - Lamar Jackson, Tom Brady, Garoppolo, Mayfield, Geno Smith, Daniel Jones, Jacoby Brissett and yes, Heinicke QB's out of fully guaranteed money on their contracts - Goff, Carr and Tannehill QB's under contract that were "benched" at various points of the season - Matt Ryan, Wentz, Mariota, Zac Wilson and Tribisky QB's that have struggled and what their futures hold - Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Mathew Stafford, Point was made big names and big decisions for over half the league next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 Heinike has value because he knows the playbook. Mayfield has value because he doesn't need one. Both of these guys on the same time? Lick your chops Scott Turner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zim489 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 15 hours ago, @DCGoldPants said: I don't agree, It says "We're not going to throw money at the most important position when we don't know if our coach will be back, we don't have a OL who can protect, and we've just turned over our entire front office and they need install new everything to replace the Snyderverse." Howell went from a 1st rounder prospect to the 5th because a loss of offensive talent his final year at UNC, and Brown changing the system to have him run more. I can't think of a QB who will be available to overpay. I guess Geno Smith? Baker Mayfield? Jimmy G? Andy Dalton? The problem is going to solve itself after folks look at 2022 as the year of Wentz, Ryan, Wilson, Mariota, Trubkisky results. Invest the offseason into keeping Payne, ILB and a lot into the OL. So punting on next season again to also not make the problem any easier to fix in the 24 offseason. Great.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skinny21 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 15 hours ago, Zim489 said: A howell Taylor room says "Were tanking". Its the worst in the league. And of course Ron wont tank either in his last year which Im expecting to not happen. So congrats 2023 is another wasted season of primes and cheap contracts just to end up drafting in the middle of the first again in 2024. Just time waisting Don’t see how anyone can look at the team performance in 2021, and how they’ve done with Heinicke at the helm this season and think “they’re tanking”. Especially if they re-sign Payne and address the oline. I do of course understand your feeling that it would be a poor/questionable qb room though, and that it would feel like another season wasted. Fortunately (for you at least) I don’t see Ron going that route. We’ll wind up with a vet that will very likely be the starter. Probably leads to a step forward in the qb room, though it might mean a step back on D (if we lose Payne) and make shoring up the oline more difficult. And of course, we might see a coaching change the following year that’s potentially/likely stuck with a pricey (probably mediocre-ish) starting qb. We’ll see. Funny to think that if we’d just taken Howell in the 1st last year, he’d have a far better chance at becoming a franchise guy for us per your viewpoint. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zim489 said: So punting on next season again to also not make the problem any easier to fix in the 24 offseason. Great.... I always wondered if Vinny Cerrato had an account here. Edited December 10, 2022 by @DCGoldPants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 No one on the roster is the long term qb. We aren’t finding the long term qb in 2023 due to the transition between owners; unless that transfer and approval happens early. Highly, unlikely for 23. In my mind that long term qb is going to be a drafted qb. So likely the 24 draft. Ron’s going to look for another starter in 23, if he doesn’t rework Carson’s contract. If Carson stays on a reworked contract, the o-line will be the focus. Actually, regardless of the qb; o-line will be the main focus in 23. If Carson goes, Ron will focus on another veteran. Ron has to win now. He’s got to show his new boss he’s winning or else he’s done. Still there’s no gaurantee Ron coaches in 23, even if the sale happens later in the offseason. The new guy may want to start his ownership with his own coach. I see whatever we do in 23 at qb, as a stopgap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shemp nixon Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said: No one on the roster is the long term qb. We aren’t finding the long term qb in 2023 due to the transition between owners; unless that transfer and approval happens early. Highly, unlikely for 23. In my mind that long term qb is going to be a drafted qb. So likely the 24 draft. Ron’s going to look for another starter in 23, if he doesn’t rework Carson’s contract. If Carson stays on a reworked contract, the o-line will be the focus. Actually, regardless of the qb; o-line will be the main focus in 23. If Carson goes, Ron will focus on another veteran. Ron has to win now. He’s got to show his new boss he’s winning or else he’s done. Still there’s no gaurantee Ron coaches in 23, even if the sale happens later in the offseason. The new guy may want to start his ownership with his own coach. I see whatever we do in 23 at qb, as a stopgap. If Wentz stays we should let Heinicke walk and CW and Howell compete for the job. You want to draft someone this year, fine, he competes for the job as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSurrender Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, skinny21 said: Funny to think that if we’d just taken Howell in the 1st last year, he’d have a far better chance at becoming a franchise guy for us per your viewpoint. lol Howell should come in TC next year like the job is his to lose. he has the talent just needs the knowledge and leadership. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) Carson’s value to Washington next season at a reduced cost shouldn’t be overlooked. Having a dude learn the scheme for an entire year and come into next season feeling confident and comfortable with the system is tremendous value to an organization. My sincere hope is that the organization plays hardball and leverages the realistic path to starting next season. All his off field and locker room issues has seemed to be behind him— he appears to be a plus in this area from my fan view. Count me in on idea of Wentz returning at severely reduced cost. Continuity is paramount in the league if you can manage to make it happen. Carson $8-10 mil Heineke $4-6mil Howell $ pennies If you love a rookie in the draft you make a tough decision with 1 of 3. Edited December 10, 2022 by wit33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSurrender Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 51 minutes ago, wit33 said: Carson’s value to Washington next season at a reduced cost shouldn’t be overlooked. Having a dude learn the scheme for an entire year and come into next season feeling confident and comfortable with the system is tremendous value to an organization. My sincere hope is that the organization plays hardball and leverages the realistic path to starting next season. All his off field and locker room issues has seemed to be behind him— he appears to be a plus in this area from my fan view. Count me in on idea of Wentz returning at severely reduced cost. Continuity is paramount in the league if you can manage to make it happen. Carson $8-10 mil Heineke $4-6mil Howell $ pennies If you love a rookie in the draft you make a tough decision with 1 of 3. Thats solid, i like the idea of drafting Oline and linebackers and maybe a corner. I think they could go even cheaper with Wentz (depending on how the season plays out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, wit33 said: Carson’s value to Washington next season at a reduced cost shouldn’t be overlooked. Having a dude learn the scheme for an entire year and come into next season feeling confident and comfortable with the system is tremendous value to an organization. My sincere hope is that the organization plays hardball and leverages the realistic path to starting next season. All his off field and locker room issues has seemed to be behind him— he appears to be a plus in this area from my fan view. Count me in on idea of Wentz returning at severely reduced cost. Continuity is paramount in the league if you can manage to make it happen. Carson $8-10 mil Heineke $4-6mil Howell $ pennies If you love a rookie in the draft you make a tough decision with 1 of 3. I don't believe Carson has any value to Washington next year. He would need to come back at a reduced salary of at least a 50% reduction, if not more. Means about a $13M paycheck for a guy who may never see the field against Heinicke or Howell. I'd rather find another vet who won't cost what Wentz is likely to. A Jacoby Brissett, Baker Mayfield. I'd rather pay Daniel Jones than Wentz at the moment. Not that any of them are even going to be options for us. But I just don't see it working with Wentz. But who knows. If he takes a significant reduction than I guess it's not a horrible thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggLife Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 hours ago, wit33 said: Carson $8-10 mil Heineke $4-6mil Howell $ pennies More like: Carson $12-15 Heineke $8-12 Howell Pennies Which even that isn't that bad $10-25 million for your QB room is a deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 There are some teams in the top 10 that absolutely will not be drafting a QB so opportunities will be there to trade up. It'll cost a lot obviously but its the only direction Rivera has yet to attempt and I think he'll go for it now knowing the rest of the roster is fairly solid and he can afford to give up the draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 I was able to get a copy of Scott Turner's run-oriented offense the team's been using the last several games: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Fairly interested in the idea of Jordan Love. Not a rookie anymore, but doesn’t have a lot of experience. I wouldn’t give up much for him because… what we’ve seen has been a very mixed bag. But he’s a young guy and should be on our radar. Older, expensive vets really shouldn’t be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 4 hours ago, HoggLife said: More like: Carson $12-15 Heineke $8-12 Howell Pennies Which even that isn't that bad $10-25 million for your QB room is a deal. Question: Who would offer Carson Wentz 12-15 million next year to be their QB? If the answer is nobody, then why would we give him that much? If I'm RR I'm lowballing him to the tune of 5 mil per season with the chance to win the starting job and cash in on incentives with the chance to earn a longer term deal if he plays well. Based on what CW has put on tape the past two seasons I don't know who would invest in him and hand him the reigns to their team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, kingdaddy said: Question: Who would offer Carson Wentz 12-15 million next year to be their QB? If the answer is nobody, then why would we give him that much? If I'm RR I'm lowballing him to the tune of 5 mil per season with the chance to win the starting job and cash in on incentives with the chance to earn a longer term deal if he plays well. Based on what CW has put on tape the past two seasons I don't know who would invest in him and hand him the reigns to their team? Because Wentz contract is for a lot more than that. He may play for less than that but I doubt he does that with us if we release him from a $26M contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Hang on for Caleb Williams in 24. Stick with the QBs we have unless Wentz doesn't want to restructure. If not, go find a suitable replacement for the same expected price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey hodge Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 All you guys wanting Wentz at a reduced rate are raising my anxiety level with that dumbness dont you remember being down 0-21 heading into the half waiting for something to happen? I do. wentz is washed 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I missed the past few discussions, so let me get this right: 1, Because of Baker M's work, Howell will be our next franchise 2, Signing Wentz for less money will make him the QB the team needs. Alrighty, then The Rook 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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