The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[SkinsFTW]

1 hour ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

I mean, if we're going to get all spelly and stuff, who is "MariotTa"? 😋

 

https://www.brazilianfootwear.com/brand/mariotta

 

[Conn]

1 hour ago, mac8887 said:

Chicago will trade with us and get #2, a this years 3rd, next years 1st, and Jamin Davis. We will get Caleb and a 5th from them for this year.

 

Then Chicago trades back again and gets pretty much whatever they want from the raiders. Maybe 3 1sts and a 2nd this year

 

It’ll come out that Caleb wanted to come to Washington, but it’ll actually be a mutual decision that Caleb’s dad and the Bears GM orchestrated together so that the bears GM can save face if they don’t make the playoffs this year. Make Eberflus the scapegoat so that Poles can keep his job another year. He will sell the owner own all his great deals, getting them so many great young players and draft capital and then sign Dak next year.

 

This only works if the league is scripted 

 

[Jags]

2 hours ago, Conn said:

Let’s see how much Daniels immaculate footwork aids him when he’s got NFL sumo wrestlers crashing around his legs every single snap.

 

Especially since his legs are made of wicker.

 

4 hours ago, NOLA2DC said:

so the arm strength thing,to me, is not as important as the ability and decision-making.

 

I've been going through as much video as I can find on both guys, and the thing that jumps out about Daniels to me that I've heard some analysts harp on is that he didn't attack the middle of the field very much.  He's a blast to watch and I wouldn't be bummed if we take him, but LSU's playcalling was definitely thin in that regard.

 

4 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Every dual threat QB gets hurt.

 

People who like to nitpick with stats often point out that running QBs with good tendencies (pursuit radar, willingness to slide and get out of bounds) statistically don't get hurt more often than other QBs.  Those tendencies aren't all that evident with Daniels though.  He takes hits, and he ragdolls because he weighs 14 pounds.  His college tendencies definitely won't fly in the NFL.  And I don't care what the stats say -- even if QBs that rely on their legs don't get hurt more often, that type of style doesn't weather injury well.  A QB with no calves and an ectomorphic build that thinks he can outrun the world is going to spend a lot of his life limping.

 

I hope I'm wrong and he's enough of a pure pocket passer that can weather a lost step or two, but I feel like I saw that movie before a time (McNabb) or two (RGMe).

[Koolblue13]

5 hours ago, abdcskins said:

Someone on ESPN, I forget who, pointed towards Mariota as having the same skill set as Daniels, which perhaps indicates the FO is leaning towards drafting Daniels. That way if Daniels goes out the offense doesn't lose much timing or cohesion. That's why I think they are going to draft Daniels. 

 

I don't have an opinion either way who is better between Maye or Daniels, haven't seen them play. Will check some clips eventually. 

That was on GMFB and it was some of the dumbest conversing that I've seen on that show. It's like they read the title of this thread and talked about it.

[Koolblue13]

6 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Since Howell is gone, he should be completely removed from title???

 

It’s #2 draft pick and Mariotta and From.

1- you're not the boss of me

 

2- It just happened days ago and I'll change it on draft day.

6 hours ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

I mean, if we're going to get all spelly and stuff, who is "MariotTa"? 😋

I bet you suck at charades. 

[zCommander]

5 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

https://www.brazilianfootwear.com/brand/mariotta

 

 

You had to go all the way to Brazil in an effort to save @Koolblue13  

 

Great. Thanks to @88Comrade2000 we now have an extra M in Fromm's name now lol

[HTTRDynasty]

Peters would be playing with fire if he passed on Maye and the Giants moved up to draft him at #3. It likely wouldn’t matter what else he did if Maye was a superstar and Daniels was an average starter or worse. 
 

 

[FootballZombie]

14 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

That was on GMFB and it was some of the dumbest conversing that I've seen on that show. It's like they read the title of this thread and talked about it.

 

It was pretty widespread. Bunch of shows, multiple networks, lots of articles...

 

In related news JD took the lead for odds on favorite at #2 on Draft Kings. According to an article it seems the shift was noticed after we picked up Mariota. I'm "betting" they knew dang well everyone had a similar thought pattern which meant a premo opportunity for them.

 

https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/football/nfl?category=2024-draft&subcategory=pick-number

 

I'm not a betting man myself but if anybody wants to put their money where their mouth is there's your shot.

[Koolblue13]

Mariota is similar to Daniels, because he's a one read and chuck it or run QB or because he is a good runner?

 

Maybe ran for4 almost 1,200 yards in two years. Maye's 2022 season is pretty similar to MM 2014 season stat wise.

[Voice_of_Reason]

8 hours ago, zCommander said:

 

Guess I missed it. Can you please you or him guide me to that post with a link? Thx!

I also did McCarthy.  They’re buried in this thread somewhere.  I’ll see if I can find them.  

[AlwaysBeRedskins2Me]

8 hours ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

It just dawned on me that it’s always the same posters in the QB thread…the quarterbacks they talk about might change over the years but it’s the same posters getting their hands dirty in here. 
 

It’s like turning on the Young & Restless after a years long hiatus and seeing Victor Newman still doing his thing. 😆

This isn't the most manly thing to say but I record y&r and bold and the beautiful five days a week on my dvr. And watch them all. Lol. 

[Skins199021]

Seems kind of crazy that people would actually be insanely upset if we drafted Daniels over Maye.

 

My opinion… I take Daniels because he has higher upside and played better competition, but I wouldn’t find it to be some great travesty if they took Maye instead 

[burgngold fan]

If they end up drafting JD,  I will be very disappointed that they traded away Howe!  Don’t think JD will ever last a full season.   But that’s just my opinion.  

[mac8887]

7 hours ago, Conn said:

 

And that’s the bottom line cuz stone cold said so

[mac8887]

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

Mariota is similar to Daniels, because he's a one read and chuck it or run QB or because he is a good runner?

 

Maybe ran for4 almost 1,200 yards in two years. Maye's 2022 season is pretty similar to MM 2014 season stat wise.

Daniels has his shortcomings, mainly his weight and his sack to pressure rate, but he is definitely not a one read qb. He is a true pocket passer, and probably gets through his reads better than any other qb coming out this year.

 

His problem is once he does decide to run, he’s looking for running lanes instead of keeping his head up trying to find a guy breaking open. This might be what he was told to do, and I think a lot of their plays were designed for him to be the check down. They ran a lot of plays with all of their players either going deep, or running routes to the outsides of the hashes, basically leaving the entire middle of the field open.

 

This won’t work as easily in the NFL. Most teams will have a fast enough middle linebacker or safety/linebacker hybrid to spy him.

[Going Commando]

28 minutes ago, Skins199021 said:

Seems kind of crazy that people would actually be insanely upset if we drafted Daniels over Maye.

 

My opinion… I take Daniels because he has higher upside and played better competition, but I wouldn’t find it to be some great travesty if they took Maye instead 

 

He absolutely doesn't have higher upside than Drake Maye.  Maye's upside is way higher because his physical traits are way better and he was a way better player at a younger age.

 

I'd be upset if they picked Daniels over Maye because it's a clear mistake that only a poor evaluator would make IMO.  I don't think Peters is a poor evaluator, and he hasn't really made any mistakes so far.  But this would be an incredibly bad one to make.

 

I think the other QB hungry teams near the top of the draft are pumping out Daniels smoke and Maye shade in the hopes that we'll do something dumb and let Maye fall to them.  I think it's incredible that any serious evaluator could prefer the 200 pound beanpole with a mediocre arm, who didn't break out until he was a fifth year senior in a stacked offense, who is scared to throw into the middle of the field unless it's cleared out and he's got a completely clean throwing lane, but whose field side throws outside of the numbers also take ten years to show up, who will bolt at a hint of pressure if his first read isn't going to uncover, who also likes to step up and run right through the middle of the field and do clown stuff like cut it back into the contact with zero forward momentum or jump directly into the pile, over the blue chip RS Sophomore QB who was a stone cold top five lock after his first year as a starter.

 

This has never been a real choice between Maye and Daniels.  Maye is obviously the better prospect and he is obviously the one we should draft at 2.  The level of obfuscation that has happened on this topic is ridiculous.

[skinsmania123]

I think Justin Field's is undervalued.  First of all, I was stuck watching a lot of Bears football last year because a relative who is a die-hard fan, moved nearby.  He has a great setup, so I got to watch number of games.  

 

So, what I noticed about Fields, with the exception of DJ Moore, last year, his receiving corp. was puny. It had no depth or quality to it.  He really forced things in the first half of the season.

 

Now here in FA in the last 72 hours the Bears have picked up more receivers to bolster their offense than ever.  Fields is very talented but as DJ Moore pointed out, he needs more weapons to be successful.  Moore did not have to support him but maybe he sees what some of us do. Fields is dynamic. 

 

What I noticed is he is very talented but had so little around him, and with a few adjustments to what they did have last year he had a solid 2nd half of the season, and Moore helped tremendously. 

 

And so now maybe they could be stocking up the cupboard for Williams, but they would be smarter imo with a QB needy team, and stock their roster even more and roll with Fields. And I think they would be super competitive this year. 

[mac8887]

2 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Peters would be playing with fire if he passed on Maye and the Giants moved up to draft him at #3. It likely wouldn’t matter what else he did if Maye was a superstar and Daniels was an average starter or worse. 
 

 

Would it be the same vice versa, what if he drafts Maye and Daniels is the one who succeeds after the giants hypothetically draft him and becomes a superstar and Maye turns out not to be any good?

[Koolblue13]

18 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

Daniels has his shortcomings, mainly his weight and his sack to pressure rate, but he is definitely not a one read qb. He is a true pocket passer, and probably gets through his reads better than any other qb coming out this year.

 

His problem is once he does decide to run, he’s looking for running lanes instead of keeping his head up trying to find a guy breaking open. This might be what he was told to do, and I think a lot of their plays were designed for him to be the check down. They ran a lot of plays with all of their players either going deep, or running routes to the outsides of the hashes, basically leaving the entire middle of the field open.

 

This won’t work as easily in the NFL. Most teams will have a fast enough middle linebacker or safety/linebacker hybrid to spy him.

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

2 hours ago, zCommander said:

 

You had to go all the way to Brazil in an effort to save @Koolblue13  

 

Great. Thanks to @88Comrade2000 we now have an extra M in Fromm's name now lol

I added the extra "M" so that everyone would remember and it's already working. 

 

I need a raise around here.

[WashingtonRedWolves]

Does signing ekeler give anyone sway as to which way they’re leaning? At first glance I would think it would mean a greater lean towards maye since he seems more the type to use a guy like ekeler for checkdowns vs. daniels just taking off when nothing is open and ignoring the dude as a safety blanket altogether

Edited March 16 by WashingtonRedWolves

[DogofWar1]

LSU Pro day on the 27th.

 

That will determine if I'm cool with Daniels or disappointed if we take him.

 

This is Daniels' chance to prove he can get to an NFL size frame or not, and maintain his dual threat capabilities.

[Voice_of_Reason]

I was catching up with Bram's last podcast, and he had Keim on.

 

Keim and Bram both are leaning Daniels.  However, Keim make it extremely clear that's his opinion and he's not reporting it.  He even said he talked to somebody who was REALLY close to Peters.  The source told Keim Peters hadn't given him any indication which way he was going. It's most likely the only 3 people who really know what the lean is currently are Peters, Quinn and Newmark.  I don't even know, at this point, if they would have told Harris the lean. MAYBE Kliff.  Though it's also possible they're just taking Kliff's input at this point and not his actual opinion.  UNLESS he says "stay the **** away from Williams." In which case, they would probably scratch him from the board.  I doubt that would happen, but you never know.  

 

Keim also said he believes the national narrative is not based on information from inside the building. (My words, he kindof hinted it was an echo chamber.  Everybody is just repeating the same 2 things which were said first.  So it's become the narrative.)  He reminded people of the Head Coaching search, where the entire league thought it was a foregone conclusion Ben Johnson was the definitive favorite to get the job, and he reported throughout the process, he was a strong candidate, he wasn't the only candidate, Quinn and Morris were strong candidates as well, and they really liked all three, and not the favorite the way the national media was portraying it.  He would only have reported that if somebody told him to report that.  Which was very possibly Peters himself.  

 

So, if we separate: 

- Reporting

- Analysis

- Opinion

 

Reporting: Nobody knows anything.

Analysis: Daniels is fast, and they are concerned Maye has accuracy problems.

Opinion: Bram is convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt it's Williams or Daniels, Keim is leaning more in the Daniels direction, and doesn't think Williams is an option. Bram has twisted himself into a pretzel to think it's a higher than 50% chance we get Williams.  To me, it's an insane narrative based on the fact he believes Fields, in the right situation, could be a top 10 QB. He has a fascination with Fields, and the fact he hasn't been traded is indicating to him Williams is going to force his way here.  I guess, it's possible.  I find it somewhat unlikely.  

 

As I said, I personally think, with Kingsbury's background as a pass-first, run second coach coming up in the Air Raid style of offense + the fact Daniels is so small, and using him as a dual-threat QB increases his likelihood of injury + Daniels' lack of top-end arm talent + Maye's top-end arm talent + athletic skills leads me to believe Maye is the choice.  

 

But opinions are like noses.  Everybody's got one. That's my guess.  I could be wrong, and I'd be fine with any of the three. I saw plenty in the tape of both Daniels and Maye to believe either could be an extremely viable NFL QB.  My absolute, 100% biggest concern with Daniels is will his skill as a runner also be his downfall because of his size, and lead to injury.  And if you're not going to use him as a runner to protect him from injury, then he's not as good a passer from the pocket as Maye.  If he was 20lbs heavier, I would have many fewer concerns. 

 

My worry is if we pick Maye, which I think is much more likely than the media thinks it is, is the entire media going to freak out and say it's a "reach" and we blew it and the whole Maye era will start off with more questions than it should.  I THINK Bram will be positive about it publicly because he's also the radio voice, and I'm pretty sure he's not going to go out and say "you screwed up" on the radio then walk into the locker room and interview Maye/Peters/Quinn.  But the rest of our media contingent idiots? I'm not sure.  

 

But all the rest of the numb nuts are going to have a field day. That ass hat Thor Nystrom is going to lose his mind and say some really stupid things.  

 

Though, honestly, if I was a GM, I think I might just take Thor's opinion and go the other way and be right more than I'm wrong.  Such a ****wit.  

Edited March 16 by Voice_of_Reason

[HTTRDynasty]

35 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

Would it be the same vice versa, what if he drafts Maye and Daniels is the one who succeeds after the giants hypothetically draft him and becomes a superstar and Maye turns out not to be any good?

There is zero chance the Giants draft Daniels. Zero. 

[redskinss]

33 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

3 people who really know what the lean is currently are Peters, Quinn and Newsome.

 

Who is Newsome?

 

[RabidFan]

8 hours ago, Jags said:

 

Especially since his legs are made of wicker.

People who like to nitpick with stats often point out that running QBs with good tendencies (pursuit radar, willingness to slide and get out of bounds) statistically don't get hurt more often than other QBs.  Those tendencies aren't all that evident with Daniels though.  He takes hits, and he ragdolls because he weighs 14 pounds.  His college tendencies definitely won't fly in the NFL.  And I don't care what the stats say -- even if QBs that rely on their legs don't get hurt more often, that type of style doesn't weather injury well.  A QB with no calves and an ectomorphic build that thinks he can outrun the world is going to spend a lot of his life limping.

 

I hope I'm wrong and he's enough of a pure pocket passer that can weather a lost step or two, but I feel like I saw that movie before a time (McNabb) or two (RGMe).

Saw this on X yesterday and sorry if already posted but he takes stupid hits (worse than Sam) when running and doesn't have Sam's thickness to withstand

 

 

This was from a Giants fan saying he wants no part of Jayden over Jones.