The Consigliere Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, mistertim said: I'm sure if he's their #1 prospect they'll at least inquire. It would be silly not to. But I'd imagine the conversation would either be: "How much to trade up to 1?" "We're not trading the pick" "Ok thanks, bye" or "How much to trade up to 1?" "Well, we're leaning towards staying here, but if you really really want it, then it's three 1sts and a 2nd" "Ok thanks, bye" Pretty much. If a perfect prospect is a 7 or whatever, and Caleb gets a 6.8, and Maye gets a 6.5 or whatever, and say, a Pickett would have been a 6.0 or something, how much is reasonable? If i didn't think we might have a poor mans Marino vs Elway situation here, which I kind of do (not there level of course, but for prospects in a class, Marino and Elway were neck and neck, just like Williams and Maye until Elway passed him their final seasons), how much to jump up and get the cleaner prospect? For me, I'd probably be willing to move a 2nd, and a 3rd, and maybe a player. But I imagine for the Bears to move down, theyd need multiple first even from the 2nd and 3rd overall slots and I just don't think Caleb's that thoroughly assured of being a better QB than Maye or Daniels to warrant such an overpay (say, #2 or #3 overall from a crap team, a '25 pick from a team likely to be crap again, and probably a day 2 pick minimum, even from slot 2 or 3). At the end of the day, I get that the NFL says, Williams is a once a 8-12 years caliber prospect, while Maye and Daniels look like a once every 3 to 5 years guys, but how much more is it worth to go up another tier to Caleb? For me, it is in no way worth giving up a potential top 10 pick in '25 PLUS a bunch of other goodies because I think Maye is gonna hit, and I think Daniels will at least partially hit and Caleb's got some minuses that genuinely bother me (mental make up, Lavar Ball stupidity worry is real). Maybe the dad seems like a problem like Elway's and Eli's, and isn't, or maybe, he is? I don't know, and honestly, I'd rather keep my picks. Otoh, if I'm the NY Giants? I got no problem offering the Bears my 1st, and '25 and '26 firsts, and more goodies because otherwise, they're screwed (otoh, maybe moving from 6th to 3rd is cheaper? But I tend to doubt NE is interested in moving down either). 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 47 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: Are you ok, just asking Fabulous baby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderInTheRye Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 7 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said: This is really mind blowing. I get why Jayden Daniels has climbed up to a top 5 pick after winning the Heisman and having a historic season, but JJ McCarthy's post championship game rise to a consensus top of tge draft pick is just baffling to me. Edited March 15 by CommanderInTheRye 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said: This is really mind blowing. I get why Jayden Daniels has climbed up to a top 5 pick after winning the Heisman and having a historic season, but JJ McCarthy's post championship game rise to a consensus top of tge draft pick is just baffling to me. Hard to find a good field general. A fragmented statement but the only way I can sum it up, CITR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 21 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said: This is really mind blowing. I get why Jayden Daniels has climbed up to a top 5 pick after winning the Heisman and having a historic season, but JJ McCarthy's post championship game rise to a consensus top of tge draft pick is just baffling to me. Yeah it is kind of weird. It honestly makes me wonder if all of this stuff about him flying up the draft boards is largely media driven vs what the team scouts actually think. After the championship game he was, from what I saw, mostly considered as a 2nd round or maybe a fringe 1sr round guy. But then suddenly he's top 15, then he's talked about as maybe even top 10, then top 5, then #2 overall. Wut? I might be able to understand more if he'd gone into that championship game, put the team on his back, and lit it up for 400 yards and 4 TDs or something. But that game was a microcosm of most of his college career: 140 yards 0 TDs 0 INTs, lean on the run game and defense, throw a few first downs to help move the chains, and don't make any stupid mistakes. Usually a guy with limited stats will fly up the boards due to an insane level of physical potential (Josh Allen had a very underwhelming final year at Wyoming, stat-wise), but McCarthy doesn't really have that. He has an average arm, ok size, ok mobility. Just not sure what the deal is. Edited March 15 by mistertim 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, clskinsfan said: Doesn't surprise me that much. Here's one: Take a look at the 2009-2014 NFL Drafts and try to find one where the top RB's selected weren't total ---. That is the weirdest run of any I've seen (and in retrospect, round 1 wasn't very kind to QB's after 1983 either for a very, very long time). Also it needs to be noted, when you write something like that, provide some context: The '13, '14, '19 and '22 classes, 4 of the past 10, were all considered complete and total ----. It is not surprising that the handful of firsts used on QB's in those drafts all busted, save for Kyler (who was expected to play baseball until late in the process). Additionally consider that many of the other years were speculative classes without clear studs? '16, '17, '21 after Lawrence, even '23, were all hard to evaluate. The only QB classes that seemed fairly straight forward were probably '15, '18, '20, and '23, and noone could tell what would come of Mariota (weird system) and Jameis (weird dude) in '15, or how to order '18, or who to take first in '23. Sometimes the misses make a lot of sense (Bortles, Trubisky, Danny Nickels and Haskins, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Pickett), and sometimes they come out of nowhere (Trevor Lawrence just looking average, Josh Allen discovery accuracy only after the competition got infinitely harder). It aint easy figuring out QB's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Fans here are going to lose their minds (temporarily) when JJ comes off the board at #2 😂😎 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said: But there isn't a projected Caleb Williams level talent in next years draft, at least I haven't heard of one. Sanders is probably the best QB of the group imo. And he isnt close to the top 3 in this draft. Maybe even the top 5. That is why he went back to school. 43 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said: This is really mind blowing. I get why Jayden Daniels has climbed up to a top 5 pick after winning the Heisman and having a historic season, but JJ McCarthy's post championship game rise to a consensus top of tge draft pick is just baffling to me. His measurements are good and he has all of the traits you are looking for. And he is a winner. That is why he is climbing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 15 minutes ago, illone said: Fans here are going to lose their minds (temporarily) when JJ comes off the board at #2 😂😎 Yea I wouldn’t know what to do with myself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 21 minutes ago, illone said: Fans here are going to lose their minds (temporarily) when JJ comes off the board at #2 😂😎 I don't think I'd lose my mind, I'd just be really confused and would say that GMAP had better knock this pick out of the park because if he passes on Maye and Daniels at #2 overall for McCarthy and McCarthy turns out to be a JAG while one or both of those guys go on to be studs, then his job is as good as gone. Edited March 15 by mistertim 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 32 minutes ago, illone said: Fans here are going to lose their minds (temporarily) when JJ comes off the board at #2 😂😎 Man, I like your jiving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, clskinsfan said: You know this how exactly? I know Josh Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, abdcskins said: I know Josh Harris. Is he aware of this? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Oh I'd go all Couva level melt down mad if McCarthy was the pick. I would lose my --- damned mind, for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 19 minutes ago, mistertim said: I don't think I'd lose my mind, I'd just be really confused and would say that GMAP had better knock this pick out of the park because if he passes on Maye and Daniels at #2 overall for McCarthy and McCarthy turns out to be a JAG while one or both of those guys go on to be studs, then his job is as good as gone. That seems... fairly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, abdcskins said: I know Josh Harris. Great. Another owner who picks our QB's...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, mistertim said: Is he aware of this? Yes we had some cognac last night. Louis XIII. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, abdcskins said: Yes we had some cognac last night. Louis XIII. Pearl Cask? I figure a man with his resources would drink good ****. Why that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 8 minutes ago, abdcskins said: Yes we had some cognac last night. Louis XIII. Ahh gotcha..... *Recording from @abdcskins apartment last night*: 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 18 minutes ago, The Consigliere said: Oh I'd go all Couva level melt down mad if McCarthy was the pick. I would lose my --- damned mind, for a long time. So, now I start going back as it is slow and hear JJ say that The Commanders were his first interview. Could be something; might mean nothing. We don't know. One can try and connect the dots but..... JJ McCarthy On His Meeting With The Washington Commanders At The NFL Combine #shorts (youtube.com) Edited March 16 by RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOLA2DC Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 49 minutes ago, clskinsfan said: Sanders is probably the best QB of the group imo. And he isnt close to the top 3 in this draft. Maybe even the top 5. That is why he went back to school. His measurements are good and he has all of the traits you are looking for. And he is a winner. That is why he is climbing. Except for actual production throwing the ball. I get the measurables, but he's coming from a run-dominant team. Also, I remember a post a little while back comparing his production with Luck, who came from the same system. The winner thing doesn't really mean anything because multiple championship quarterbacks have gone on to do almost nothing in the league. I'm not saying the kid doesn't have potential, but in terms of QB skill, he still trails Nix and Penix for me. Edited March 16 by NOLA2DC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, illone said: Fans here are going to lose their minds (temporarily) when JJ comes off the board at #2 😂😎 I might cry. It would definitely be a make or break on Peter’s for me. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Assuming Caleb goes #1, if we draft Maye, that will be what I expect if we draft Daniels I will raise an eyebrow. if we draft McCarthy I will raise 2 eyebrows 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 JJ has been my QB2 since the beginning, so I don't care. Especially if we get another first or two with him. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 I have not studied JJ at all and I don't plan to. Not even on my radar as an option. Big 3 or bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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