The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[mistertim]

13 minutes ago, Fred Jones said:

Listening to the press conference the two did not give away how they were leaning.  But, I agree with Keim, they followed a process and stuck to that process including bringing all the players in together.  Lance commented that he enjoyed it and it proved to have value.

 

I like GMAP's comments on Harris.  Supportive, gave what they needed, and just stayed out of the way and let them work.

 

Reference the pick, it is who they think has the leadership qualities, the toughness, the work ethic and the skillset to be best and ability to see the field this year or next.  No project player.

 

Good thing neither Maye nor Daniels are project players.

[Rufus T Firefly]

34 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Never underestimate the maddening genius of a UCLA grad talking about Commanders football! They are usually quite handsome as well. 

[SoCalSkins]

12 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

That's what I was getting at with my kerfluffle with another poster a few days ago regarding why I don't give a ---- about most of the knocks on Maye. Most, not all, but most, are related to things that are nebulous, in the eye of the beholder, sometimes just bull----, and consistently something easily resolved, if a problem, at the next level. We can point to zillions of guys with weird releases or odd footwork over the years that were just fine, either because it worked for them, or got coached up from Rivers to Rodgers, from Mahomes, to Herbert, and I'm sure if we dug up every QB that hit over the years, while there would be some, that had beautiful, and clean throwing motions and feet, there would be a majority that did not. It just doesn't seem sticky when it come to guys that become special. Could there be a dustbin filled with guys that didn't hit, and that was the reason why? Maybe, but I'm skeptical, for most busts, there's an absolute litany of things that explain the failure, I can't remember many if any that were strictly mechanics failures. It's why I don't care. It's not that I want Maye, so I'm ignoring honest criticism, it's that I like Maye, and have noticed a trend line for decades that guys picked at for these reasons, tend to hit anyway, if they're any good. If they're good, it isn't consequential. I'm a lot more worried about things like pressure 2 sack ratio which are sticky as a problem, unlike mechanics and feet which can be improved with repetition and coaching and reps (and sometimes it ends up immaterial), and Maye is a problem there, just like Daniels (just not as bad). I'm also concerned, a little with only 2 years as a starter, I'd prefer 3, but it's not a Trubisky situation, so I'm not overly concerned....but yeah, p2s, that worries me, some alarming accuracy #'s, that bothers me, there are definitely some metrics, i would have preferred 3 years as a starter than 2, but yeah, that quote is yet another lovely example of why the Maye stuff doesn't bother me to the same degree as the stuff on Daniels...There was that yucky Maye stat someone posted yesterday afternoon with Maye was it unpressured? I can't remember, but let me cosign on the fact that yeah, that would bother me too. I'm not a Maye uber alles kind of person, as mentioned earlier, I'm more about collecting and sorting the piles of alarming data, and trying to avoid the guy with the ones I most closely associate with busting. Both guys have some, Maye just has more of the sort that scares me, that's all. 

 

We have reached the point in the process where insane/genius ramblings emerge from posters secluded in their bunkers like Howard Hughes...

 

Edited April 18 by SoCalSkins

[The Consigliere]

8 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

 

We have reached the point in the process where insane/genius ramblings emerge from posters secluded in their bunkers like Howard Hughes...

 

Remember to avoid looking too closely at my fingernails when you open the hatch. 

[Dah-Dee]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Peters in the press conference said they'd likely make up their mind early next week.  He's given no indication that he's read this thread or is being influenced by it but stay tuned.

 

I did think it was kind of funny he referenced seeing 'a lot of good players come off in the first round of mock drafts.' 

[CapsSkins]

If Penix slides, they may take him as well a la RG3/Cousins or - perhaps more pertinently - Trey Lance/Brock Purdy.

 

Also, Pat McAfee ripped the agent and Peter Schrager suggested the same thing @RWJ and I tossed around yesterday, that the agent might be trying to engineer Jayden to Vegas.

 

 

[Llevron]

1 hour ago, DogofWar1 said:

These reporters are stronger than I am, I woulda just screamed "WHO ARE YOU TAKING AT TWOOOOOOO!??!"

 

Right they would have had to drag me out screaming. TELLL MEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Rufus T Firefly]

 

[Dah-Dee]

Just now, Rufus T Firefly said:

 

 

Hey look, it's that no-call on the helmet-to-helmet/targeting hit again, thanks!

[SoCalSkins]

3 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Right they would have had to drag me out screaming. TELLL MEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It’s Maye. It’s always been Maye. The build up and intrigue is all show. 
 

Now that you know are you happier? You opened the Christmas gift on December 18. Felt great on December 18 but not having something to open on the 25th might not be as fun. 
 

Please don’t ask me about Santa being real. 😂 

[Llevron]

Just now, SoCalSkins said:

It’s Maye. It’s always been Maye. The build up and intrigue is all show. 
 

Now that you know are you happier? You opened the Christmas gift on December 18. Felt great on December 18 but not having something to open on the 25th might not be as fun. 
 

Please don’t ask me about Santa being real. 😂 

 

TELL ME ABOUT THE PRSSURE TO SACK RATIOOOOOO!!!!! PLEASSEEEEEEEE!!!!

[Panninho]

JD was at -350 and Maye at +270 this morning. Now JD is at -210 and Maye at +170. That's some pretty significant movement in a couple of hours.

[CommanderInTheRye]

1 minute ago, Panninho said:

JD was at -350 and Maye at +270 this morning. Now JD is at -210 and Maye at +170. That's some pretty significant movement in a couple of hours.

 

 

I posted last night that tge smart move for anyone who thinks Maye is gonna be our guy, was to make a bet immediately before the odds get adjusted. 

 

I'm not saying Maye is definitely the choice m, just that with this news I knew the public would react to it forcing the casinos to respond by changing the odds.

[The Consigliere]

19 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

Hey look, it's that no-call on the helmet-to-helmet/targeting hit again, thanks!

You're really that dedicated to that interpretation of what the take away should be on that play?

 

I watch that and I see someone w/the same ability to avoid body trauma as Super Dave Osborne. That's the take away, not that that evil meanie on FSU decided to hit the idiot who decided to run head first, upright, into a gigantic pile of defenders and thank god there was a penalty. 

Edited April 18 by The Consigliere

[Dah-Dee]

5 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

I watch that and I see someone w/the same ability to avoid body trauma as SuperDave Osborne. That's the take away, not that that evil meanie on FSU decided to hit the idiot who decided to run head first, up right, into a gigantic pile of defenders. 

 

I said pretty much the same exact thing last time the FSU clip came up.

 

I just get tired of seeing the same four tackles over and over and over and over again as the entire body of proof that Daniels cannot protect himself.

 

I do love the Sonic rings on the Ole Miss hit lol.

Edited April 18 by Dah-Dee

[Skinsinparadise]

[The Consigliere]

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

And as an oldster (I'm curious what the floor is on the ages of posters heres? I'd imagine 25-30?) I can tell you, with Caleb, while I didn't like people overreacting to him crying with his mom or painting his fingernails, it is worth noting: he doesn't have ideal size (which can be a problem) and he's at bare minimum, got a real quirky personality, and if it's actually more "mental make up is an issue" he could bust. I bet on his talent 1000% but am I as confident on him delivering on his potential as Luck or Lawrence? I am not. Luck and Lawrence didn't send off any warning signs about anything off the field at all, period. Zilch. Caleb's has some mild rumbling here and there, enough to drop me from 90% sure he's at least average to elite, to around 80-85%. There's some risk, and I imagine the Bears simply sent their due diligence guys to dig up everything on his off the field habits to make sure they don't find themselves dealing with a Justin Blackmon or Ryan Leaf scenario. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[DiscoBob]

28 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

Hey look, it's that no-call on the helmet-to-helmet/targeting hit again, thanks!

 

It's a good thing there are never bone crushing illegal hits in the NFL 🤫

[The Consigliere]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

I could buy the Daniels angle simply from the fact that their coach is a former player (relatively recently) and vets hated dealing with rookie hiccups. That's a stretch I know, but I could imagine Mayo wants a QB who can just walk in and start, period. 

 

Otoh, definitely feels like Maye is a better QB for that type of fan base (-------'s), and for that type of weather (New England, and Buffalo seems worse in terms of weather than New Jersey/Washington DC).

 

Praying we get Maye. I would laugh if they traded down, but I tend to doubt they will, it would just be too far unless it was NYG to justify the move. 

[Kalu44]

31 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

 

 

That sack where the lineman held JD with one arm, while raising his other arm in victory....tells me JD plays at 200lbs max, lol.

[The Consigliere]

12 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

I said pretty much the same exact thing last time the FSU clip came up.

 

I just get tired of seeing the same four tackles over and over and over and over again as the entire body of proof that Daniels cannot protect himself.

 

I do love the Sonic rings on the Ole Miss hit lol.

I could see that, but they are going to show the most vivid, holy ---- hits. It would be nice if they dug through the ASU games to find more though, I agree, but again, if you are that clueless running, doesn't matter if you're flagged or not. Ngata wasn't very nice on the play that started the end of RGIII's career, and flagged or not, the problem was RGIII risking that, not that players are sometimes scoundrels when it comes to hits, Howell took one of those last year as someone on here mentioned this past week, and considering it can happen to anyone at any time, best to avoid self-induced Super Dave Osborne moments to compound the physical risk. 

[Hooper]

13 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

I could buy the Daniels angle simply from the fact that their coach is a former player (relatively recently) and vets hated dealing with rookie hiccups. That's a stretch I know, but I could imagine Mayo wants a QB who can just walk in and start, period. 

 

Otoh, definitely feels like Maye is a better QB for that type of fan base (-------'s), and for that type of weather (New England, and Buffalo seems worse in terms of weather than New Jersey/Washington DC).

 

Praying we get Maye. I would laugh if they traded down, but I tend to doubt they will, it would just be too far unless it was NYG to justify the move. 

 

Hard to imagine the Pats trading down -- Kraft wants a shiny new QB and now. It will be whoever we don't take, Maye or Daniels.  

 

Sounds like Kevin O'Connell loves Jayden Daniels though and will make a tempting offer, I'm sure, if we choose the long road and take Maye.

 

 

Edited April 18 by Hooper

[NewCliche21]

8 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

I could see that, but they are going to show the most vivid, holy ---- hits. It would be nice if they dug through the ASU games to find more though, I agree, but again, if you are that clueless running, doesn't matter if you're flagged or not. Ngata wasn't very nice on the play that started the end of RGIII's career, and flagged or not, the problem was RGIII risking that, not that players are sometimes scoundrels when it comes to hits, Howell took one of those last year as someone on here mentioned this past week, and considering it can happen to anyone at any time, best to avoid self-induced Super Dave Osborne moments to compound the physical risk. 

 

The RGIII hit by Ngata was a one-in-a-million-and-only-to-the-Redskins hit. I don't like how he was treated after that hit by Shanahanahanhanaan, but that hit itself could've happened to anyone.

The hit on Howell, is that the one that was half an hour after the whistle and a mile and a half out of bounds in the Giants game?

[WashingtonRedWolves]

3 minutes ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

The RGIII hit by Ngata was a one-in-a-million-and-only-to-the-Redskins hit. I don't like how he was treated after that hit by Shanahanahanhanaan, but that hit itself could've happened to anyone.

The hit on Howell, is that the one that was half an hour after the whistle and a mile and a half out of bounds in the Giants game?

Howell's was against ARZ in the home opener, I was there. if i remember correctly he was already down and got slammed in the head, the crowd was livid, I was like you gotta be kidding another major injury to our QB right off the bat but he came right back out like a boss

Edited April 18 by WashingtonRedWolves