The Official ES 2021 Free Agency Thread / Tracker Fitzpatrick, Curtis Samuel, William Jackson, LB Mayo, C Larsen WR Humphries, CB D. Roberts, KR D. Carter , LT Charles Leno, S Bobby McCain signed

[86 Snyder]

7 minutes ago, -JB- said:

WR is “much more” impactful position than OL?  Wow.  Seems somebody never played football lol

 

Not OL, RG specifically.  It's not like Foosball where there's a block of five guys and they all perform the exact same function from a different location lol.

 

LT is probably the 2nd or 3rd most important position in the game.  RT up there too.  C has a ton of responsibility.  The guards and specifically RG much lower down the list....RG in competition for the very bottom.

[Ball Security]

12 minutes ago, -JB- said:

You got me.  My bad Kenny Golladay.  Funny.  It’s amazing you talk about roster building and want to dump a first team All-Pro offensive lineman.  Especially considering games are won & lost in the trenches.  But you’d rather throw that $$ on Kenny Golladay LOL

Maybe show me a post that I made saying I want to dump Scherff.  😂  I don’t like him playing on the tag for the second year in a row.  Not getting a deal done now gives me little hope for a long term deal.  What’s his incentive to not play on the tag now?  And next year more teams will have cap space. You think we have a better chance of signing long term next year than this year?  
I’d prefer to sign him to a LTD before the tag deadline, spread his bonus out and make his cap number more manageable.  
Now we have 8-10M less in cap space and will likely need to find Scherff’s replacement in this year’s draft or next.  I don’t see how someone could look at this as an optimal outcome.  
Now maybe he ends up staying and both sides are delaying because they want a better idea of the 2021 cap, but I think the chances of that happening are less today than they were last week.

[LetMeSeeYourWarFace21]

21 minutes ago, -JB- said:

Y’all dudes are really mad on here cause you wanted all the cap space in the world to spend on all the new shiny toys lmao It’s blatantly obvious.  You can laugh at me all you want, jokes on you & you being programmed by Snyder to think spending freely in Free Agency is the answer after all these years.  What are you 18? Lolol

 

 

No genius, you need to step away from ES and get some air. Everyone who didnt want to sign a ****ing GUARD to a $18 Million one year rental contract, didnt just want the extra money for "shiny toys". We wanted to also maybe, use the money correctly to retain/extend some of our other players still on the roster. And yeah, a few shiny toys on offense wouldnt hurt, considering that our passing game was complete ****. We had McClaurin and a bunch of D- caliber WRs. We had a TE who was converted from QB, who thank God gave his all. Offense was based around dunking the ball off to McKissic 20 times a game, because our WRs couldnt get separation.

 

We had games where we couldnt score to save our lives. We had too many games where we literally went into the game hoping our defense could help put points on the board to keep us in the game. We had to be in the bottom 3 worst offenses in the league. Our offense is in DESPERATE need of star players. We need some Chase Youngs on offense.

 

Some of you kool aid guzzlers see an All Pro player and a Division title and get delusional AF. Our offense was TRASH last year. And if Philly didnt take Hurts out the game, we wouldnt had made it to the playoffs. WE NEED OFFENSIVE TALENT, PERIOD. You cant be a successful franchise paying the 4th-5th best player at a position, $4Million more than the top rated player at that position. 

 

And no, Im not emotional, this is just how I talk LOL....

 

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by LetMeSeeYourWarFace21

[Commander -JB-]

25 minutes ago, LetMeSeeYourWarFace21 said:

 

 

No genius, you need to step away from ES and get some air. Everyone who didnt want to sign a ****ing GUARD to a $18 Million one year rental contract, didnt just want the extra money for "shiny toys". We wanted to also maybe, use the money correctly to retain/extend some of our other players still on the roster. And yeah, a few shiny toys on offense wouldnt hurt, considering that our passing game was complete ****. We had McClaurin and a bunch of D- caliber WRs. We had a TE who was converted from QB, who thank God gave his all. Offense was based around dunking the ball off to McKissic 20 times a game, because our WRs couldnt get separation.

 

We had games where we couldnt score to save our lives. We had too many games where we literally went into the game hoping our defense could help put points on the board to keep us in the game. We had to be in the bottom 3 worst offenses in the league. Our offense is in DESPERATE need of star players. We need some Chase Youngs on offense.

 

Some of you kool aid guzzlers see an All Pro player and a Division title and get delusional AF. Our offense was TRASH last year. And if Philly didnt take Hurts out the game, we wouldnt had made it to the playoffs. WE NEED OFFENSIVE TALENT, PERIOD. You cant be a successful franchise paying the 4th-5th best player at a position, $4Million more than the top rated player at that position. 

 

And no, Im not emotional, this is just how I talk LOL....

 

 

LOL ok {genius} so we subtract our (I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face) First Team All-Pro RG so we can sign these tremendous free agent WR’s & WHALA! Who’s protecting our All Pro QB behind Center?  So we shouldn’t worry about protecting our QB because he’s not All-Pro?  Is that it?  Or we just sign another Journeyman to plug in to hope to do the job so we can sign a stud WR who will get open but the QB won’t have ample time to make the throw or the run blocking will be so ineffective that the pass game goes to ****.  Come on.

Edited March 10, 2021 by -JB-

[Hitman#21]

3 hours ago, Fresh8686 said:

JP Finlay on his podcast said both Ron and Scherff want to get a deal done still and this is by no means like the Kirk cousins situation when we tagged him twice. He threw out a possibility of maybe $15million AAV but that might be out the window now that he’s making $18 million on the tag. 

 

Thanks for sharing-

 

Does that mean July time or in the next few weeks, that is the question.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

If we don't sign Scherff to a LTD, I can understand all the huff and puff.  But until we are locked in to that 18M for the rest of the year on the Franchise Tag, WUSA my bros WUSA.

I think we get the deal done before FA, if we do, no biggie.  If we don't, then it would bother me some depending on who we couldn't get during FA because of it.

Edited March 10, 2021 by COWBOY-KILLA-

[PartyPosse]

Again, if the two sides legitimately wanted to get something done then the FT shouldn’t be needed. I know it gives time and all but if Brandon wanted to be here then the team shouldn’t have worried if he hit the open market. I’d rather have seen his true colors and whether or not he was actually being truthful when he said he wanted to get something done. I swear if we sign him now to a long term deal with an average of 18 I’m gonna puke.

[RWJ]

5 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

Again, if the two sides legitimately wanted to get something done then the FT shouldn’t be needed. I know it gives time and all but if Brandon wanted to be here then the team shouldn’t have worried if he hit the open market. I’d rather have seen his true colors and whether or not he was actually being truthful when he said he wanted to get something done. I swear if we sign him now to a long term deal with an average of 18 I’m gonna puke.

Agree.  The highest paid right OG in the game is making $14,050,000 (Brandon Banks of the Eagles) per a LTD.  Right Guard Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap  $15 mill AV a year is fair.  I think the big hold up as probably is with most players is the guaranteed money of the contract.

Edited March 10, 2021 by RWJ

[PartyPosse]

4 minutes ago, RWJ said:

Agree.  The highest paid right OG in the game is making $14,050,000 (Brandon Banks of the Eagles) per a LTD.  Right Guard Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap  $15 mill AV a year is fair.  I think the big hold up as probably is with most players is the guaranteed money of the contract.

That or he wants something short, like two years so he can cash in in a couple years when the new TV deal goes into affect and caps skyrocket again.

[RWJ]

Just now, PartyPosse said:

That or he wants something short, like two years so he can cash in in a couple years when the new TV deal goes into affect and caps skyrocket again.

I'd be fine with 2 years.  I really would.  He's 30 and not getting any younger.

[PartyPosse]

7 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I'd be fine with 2 years.  I really would.  He's 30 and not getting any younger.

I would have been too, but I would have wanted say 2 years at 32, 18 this year and 14 next. Having him on a one year FT for that money literally doesn’t help us in any way.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

Dang. I missed the news Allen Robinson got franchised....stinks. Hadn't seen it till now.

 

 

[Jericho]

6 hours ago, clskinsfan said:

Man. The premium players that were going to be in FA this year have dried up quick. 

 

Yeah, but that happens every year. People all get excited for Player X and Y, then they all get tagged or re-signed.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

Excited that there is gonna be a ton of activity in the next 10-12 days in the NFL..

Not only the FA's but Trades, think we may see a few shockers.. 

Hope the Riverboat is fully gassed up and rtg...

I know whats been said and what is most likely, but the gambler in me makes me keep my eyes peeled on a Carr, Russell, or Matt Ryan last ditch effort for a deal, before moving on for the year to the other less exciting QB options.  

Edited March 10, 2021 by COWBOY-KILLA-

[RWJ]

55 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

I would have been too, but I would have wanted say 2 years at 32, 18 this year and 14 next. Having him on a one year FT for that money literally doesn’t help us in any way.

No I was thinking 2 years $15 mill AVY.  He'd be the highest paid RG in the NFL.

[LetMeSeeYourWarFace21]

2 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

If we don't sign Scherff to a LTD, I can understand all the huff and puff.  But until we are locked in to that 18M for the rest of the year on the Franchise Tag, WUSA my bros WUSA.

I think we get the deal done before FA, if we do, no biggie.  If we don't, then it would bother me some depending on who we couldn't get during FA because of it.

 

I hope you're right man.....But if not, oh well, just add with the rest of the bad moves this franchise has done over the years, not the end of the world. 

 

I know anything can happen, but there's a part of me that finds it hard to imagine Scherff having any urgency to get a long term deal done. It's like, why should he, when he can pull a Kirk? Get the $18 Mill next season, then get your LTD the following season. 

[FootballZombie]

2 hours ago, COWBOY-KILLA- said:

If we don't sign Scherff to a LTD, I can understand all the huff and puff.  But until we are locked in to that 18M for the rest of the year on the Franchise Tag, WUSA my bros WUSA.

I think we get the deal done before FA, if we do, no biggie.  If we don't, then it would bother me some depending on who we couldn't get during FA because of it.

That is a good way of looking at it.

 

2 days ago our options were:

 

-Let him walk

-tag n trade him (unrealistic)

-LTD

-F-tag

 

Until he is locked into that tag, all we have really done is eliminate the let him walk option. All the other options are pretty much as valid now as they were two days ago.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

41 minutes ago, LetMeSeeYourWarFace21 said:

 

I know anything can happen, but there's a part of me that finds it hard to imagine Scherff having any urgency to get a long term deal done. It's like, why should he, when he can pull a Kirk? Get the $18 Mill next season, then get your LTD the following season. 

I think he has some incentive, having an injury history and being 30, to have a little more security a long term deal provides. With an LTD he will make considerably more $ than 18M this year. He's not a QB, and I don't get the vibe he's anything like Cousins.  If you were Scherff, ask yourself, you want 18 M this year and you still have to play a whole season to reach "the bag" you want, where you will now be 31. Or would you seriously consider 35-40M guaranteed today having to play 0 seasons to get it? 

All this can also mean we will try and get something better than the 3rd round comp pick we'd get for him letting him walk next year.  That includes as part of a trade package. 

I lean towards a LTD, but nothing would shock me.  Would prefer not to have that 18 around our necks but lets see how it plays out. 

[PartyPosse]

2 hours ago, RWJ said:

No I was thinking 2 years $15 mill AVY.  He'd be the highest paid RG in the NFL.

I mean I was only at 16.

[Jacoby6644]

I think the other thing that people lose sight of is that if a long term deal can’t be worked out and Scherff doesn’t sign the tag, it can still be rescinded. Let’s just get a deal done.

[Die Hard]

5 minutes ago, Jacoby6644 said:

I think the other thing that people lose sight of is that if a long term deal can’t be worked out and Scherff doesn’t sign the tag, it can still be rescinded. Let’s just get a deal done.

 
Scherff is going to sprint to sign the franchise tag contract. There’s no reason for him to delay.

[KDawg]

10 hours ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

Not OL, RG specifically.  It's not like Foosball where there's a block of five guys and they all perform the exact same function from a different location lol.

 

LT is probably the 2nd or 3rd most important position in the game.  RT up there too.  C has a ton of responsibility.  The guards and specifically RG much lower down the list....RG in competition for the very bottom.

 

 

 

The biggest disruptor of an offense is interior pressure. In the run game or in the pass game. 

 

The difference between guards, centers and tackles is simple:

 

Tackles are on an island far more than guards and centers. Guard/Center/Guard function as more of a unit, so the individual pieces don't have to be all-pro necessarily, but having one significantly helps you. Tackles are one on one with high end athletes more often, so they are more costly as an individual piece. 

 

 

[Ball Security]

30 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

 

 

The biggest disruptor of an offense is interior pressure. In the run game or in the pass game. 

 

The difference between guards, centers and tackles is simple:

 

Tackles are on an island far more than guards and centers. Guard/Center/Guard function as more of a unit, so the individual pieces don't have to be all-pro necessarily, but having one significantly helps you. Tackles are one on one with high end athletes more often, so they are more costly as an individual piece. 

 

 

Someone was on Galdi’s podcast yesterday talking about how well Schweitzer, Roullier, and Scherff pass off rushers to each other and pick up stunts.  As the season went on they got into a real groove working together.  I’ve done a 180 on Scherff.  I wouldn’t have minded tag and trading last season or just letting walk.  I want him back while understanding his injury risk.  Just hate having to use the tag again to get it done.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[KDawg]

10 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Someone was on Galdi’s podcast yesterday talking about how well Schweitzer, Roullier, and Scherff pass off rushers to each other and pick up stunts.  As the season went on they got into a real groove working together.  I’ve done a 180 on Scherff.  I wouldn’t have minded tag and trading last season or just letting walk.  I want him back while understanding his injury risk.  Just hate having to use the tag again to get it done.

 

The biggest reason to re-sign Scherff isn't because he's an all-pro. It's because he has chemistry with Roullier, who was also re-signed. You need the LG to have that consistency as well, which Schweitzer has. But Charles could have as well now. And that's not to say a rookie can't fit in, either. But with Roullier and Scherff you have those two working consistency... it's easier for the LG to emulate. 

 

No Scherff... makes things a lot more difficult.