method man Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, JamesMadisonSkins said: This is a good point. I guess I am putting a lot of stock in the "Smith can work miracles as a mentor" card but clearly that didn't work out too well with Haskins to this point. I think you still want to have another option around at QB given Allen will be coming back from a brutal injury, but I guess you could get that for cheap (or keep Haskins around, but that seems unlikely). I would just go back to having 2 QBs on the active roster and have someone like Montez on the PS. I bet these PS rules carry into next year so you may be able to fit an extra vet on the PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boston skins fan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Id go QB in round 1 and go for Pat Freiermuth at TE in round 2 then go OL after. This team has so many holes need to just attack them 1 at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, boston skins fan said: Id go QB in round 1 and go for Pat Freiermuth at TE in round 2 then go OL after. This team has so many holes need to just attack them 1 at a time. But so much depends on who is available. If Fields, Lawrence, and Wilson are off the board do you see feel comfortable going with Lance in the 1st round. How about if all 4 are off the board. In terms of the 2nd round, Freiermuth may or may not be available. What makes the draft so intriguing is the amount of unknowns. If you knew exactly who would be available for each of your picks it would make planning easier but the draft less suspenseful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, method man said: Dude Ron hasn’t made it anymore obvious that this is a need to be filled. Issue is that FA, as of now, is light. The cream of the crop is Lavonte David, who is turning 31 in January. I am interested in Matt Milano too but, per PFF, he is having a down year Hopefully a low salary cap forcing some unexpected roster cuts.Either way we still need to be drafting a LB earlier rather than later too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, method man said: Wilson had a good freshman year and then wasn’t good last year as he was recovering from shoulder and hand surgeries. Why would you bring Alex back when you can instead have Kyle Allen on an ERFA tender making < $1m? Dude Ron hasn’t made it anymore obvious that this is a need to be filled. Issue is that FA, as of now, is light. The cream of the crop is Lavonte David, who is turning 31 in January. I am interested in Matt Milano too but, per PFF, he is having a down year Mmhmm. Which is why hearing people say go QB and offense in the first four rounds is particularly scary to me. Linebacker, aside from QB, is this teams absolute largest need and I feel like people are ignoring it again. Granted, that doesn’t mean the team will. But it’s still frustrating to read over and over In reality, you can’t really project your draft picks because the draft changes with each selection and BPA and all of that good stuff. but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, KDawg said: Mmhmm. Which is why hearing people say go QB and offense in the first four rounds is particularly scary to me. Linebacker, aside from QB, is this teams absolute largest need and I feel like people are ignoring it again. Granted, that doesn’t mean the team will. But it’s still frustrating to read over and over In reality, you can’t really project your draft picks because the draft changes with each selection. True. I think you'll want to solve the LB need through a mix of FA and the draft. You'll want to bring back KPL as your first LB off the bench and your nickel specialist because he is solid in coverage. You'll need to spend big on a legitimate above average to high end starter in free agency and you'll want to snag a LB with one of those 3rd round picks who could potentially start next season. I've heard this draft is deep with non-EDGE LBs but haven't studied any beyond Parsons and Moses. Ultimately, I bet someone will be there within the first five picks of the 3rd round. I would also take a flyer on Reuben on a vet min with incentives deal. I think he'd sign it given the need we have/opportunity he has, his network here and that we have kept him around By the way, I was pissed when we took Gibson instead of Zack Baun. The jury is out on that one. Baun just got into a starting role so we'll see what he has the rest of the season. 17 minutes ago, boston skins fan said: Id go QB in round 1 and go for Pat Freiermuth at TE in round 2 then go OL after. This team has so many holes need to just attack them 1 at a time. I don't think Freiermuth makes it to round 2. I think we are looking more at a Brevin Jordan type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 At least that 49ers 3rd rounder looks like it’s dropping into the 10-15 range in that round. Should give us 4 picks in the top 75 say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichmondRedskin88 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 We have to improve the secondary/linebackers. We can’t cover a peewee team deep. But yes we need a QB desperately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, GothSkinsFan said: Nope, never had an 8-8 division winner. I went to pro-football-reference dot com and looked back through every season to 1967. BTW, before the NFL-AFL merger, the divisions in the NFL were named sorta like the way the NHL used to. Go Patrick division! Wrong. 1985 Cleveland Browns win AFc Central with an 8-8 record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: At least that 49ers 3rd rounder looks like it’s dropping into the 10-15 range in that round. Should give us 4 picks in the top 75 say. Great call on that. If they play it smart, they may have a chance at 4 strong contributors to 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, UK SKINS FAN 74 said: At least that 49ers 3rd rounder looks like it’s dropping into the 10-15 range in that round. Should give us 4 picks in the top 75 say. I appreciate you pointing this out. When I watch other games I try to find a reason for a rooting interest. I was rooting against SF because, well F Trent, but now I've got more reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Darrell Green Fan said: I appreciate you pointing this out. When I watch other games I try to find a reason for a rooting interest. I was rooting against SF because, well F Trent, but now I've got more reasons. Root against Detroit and Carolina too. We have 14 of the same teams on our schedule as the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants. Those are the only teams we play that they don't. So if they are bad, it will make our Strength of Schedule easier than theirs which is the tiebreaker for the NFL draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, method man said: I don't think Freiermuth makes it to round 2. I think we are looking more at a Brevin Jordan type I'm ok with Brevin but I don't think we should go TE with our first three picks. I'd take him if he's there with the SF pick but Logan has looked ok this year and I don't think there are any real impact TE outside of Pitts. I remember Kmet and Trautman were supposed to be the most NFL ready guys and we've barely heard a peep out of either. Same with the '19 draft. Fant and Irv Smith were the jewels and they've been average. I'd still rather keep Logan and take shots on guys like Fumagalli or Butt or even Jonnu Smith if the Titans let him walk than waste a high pick on another unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: I'm ok with Brevin but I don't think we should go TE with our first three picks. I'd take him if he's there with the SF pick but Logan has looked ok this year and I don't think there are any real impact TE outside of Pitts. I remember Kmet and Trautman were supposed to be the most NFL ready guys and we've barely heard a peep out of either. Same with the '19 draft. Fant and Irv Smith were the jewels and they've been average. I'd still rather keep Logan and take shots on guys like Fumagalli or Butt or even Jonnu Smith if the Titans let him walk than waste a high pick on another unknown. Next year hopefully we’re picking in the teens or twenties... be hopefully we can snag Jalen Wydermyer. I’m fine rolling with Thomas, too. Maybe Hunter Long or someone is there in the later rounds this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, KDawg said: Next year hopefully we’re picking in the teens or twenties... be hopefully we can snag Jalen Wydermyer. I’m fine rolling with Thomas, too. Maybe Hunter Long or someone is there in the later rounds this year. If Bushman lasts to the fourth I'd nab him in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, philibusters said: Root against Detroit and Carolina too. We have 14 of the same teams on our schedule as the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants. Those are the only teams we play that they don't. So if they are bad, it will make our Strength of Schedule easier than theirs which is the tiebreaker for the NFL draft. Yeah it's given that I root for the bad teams to lose. Was kinda hoping the Eagles would just win so RR will stop coaching for the division and look towards the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, KDawg said: It’s not about short term. But his running ability adds another element to the offense. Beyond that, this team hasn’t added a true blue chip QB and that is a difference in a locker room when you believe in the QB. Kyler Murray yesterday was an example of that. The Cardinals knew they were going to win. They knew they had Hop and Murray. Alex Smith is getting the ball out fast, moving decent in the pocket, and even taking shots, and we are still losing. Fields or any other QB not named Lawrence is not going to come into the NFL playing better than Alex Smith is right now. Meaning we will still be losing with them if we don't build a team around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, IrepDC said: Alex Smith is getting the ball out fast, moving decent in the pocket, and even taking shots, and we are still losing. Fields or any other QB not named Lawrence is not going to come into the NFL playing better than Alex Smith is right now. Meaning we will still be losing with them if we don't build a team around them. I don't think Lawrence is much better, if any, than Fields. Second, who said anything about not building a team around them? It's like you're purposely skipping my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, method man said: I am sick of this argument. There is a reason this team decided to horde cap space to roll into next year. They plan on being spenders in a year many teams can’t be, especially if the cap stays flat or declines. Do yourself a favor and compare the list of free agent LTs to the list of QBs. If we go crazy in FA we are immediately the 2000s Skins again. A starting LT, a starting LB, and a starting QB are the 3 players I'd spend money on, if the price is right. Still we need to save a good amount of cap to resign our key pieces while the majority of building is done through the draft. 2 minutes ago, KDawg said: I don't think Lawrence is much better, if any, than Fields. Second, who said anything about not building a team around them? It's like you're purposely skipping my posts. You are also saying build a team. I'm saying make building the team the focus another year. You're saying because we pick high, we have to capitalize on the QBs available. I already responded to that by pointing out the top QBs in the league were all drafted mid to late 1st round i.e. we can improve our team first and do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said: Alex Smith played well yesterday. For Alex Smith. Just because it was good for him does not mean his play is up to the level that you need in the NFL. If we had a good QB this team would be totally different, just as so many teams' fortunes have changed when they got one of those players. Micah Parsons makes more of an impact / upgrade in that game yesterday than any rookie QB not named Lawrence. Alex Smith gets a win with his performance. Improved success on 1st down run defense means more 3rd and longs. More 3rd and longs means more opportunities for our pass rushers. We get ran on early downs and it eliminates our strength. You upgrade our run defense and you will see complimentary football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoDeep81 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 What's you guys feelings on Kyle Trask (Gators)?? He's not that mobile, but he's big, can read a D and is very accurate. Edit: Quick search shows you guys have discussed him a bit. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, KDawg said: I don't think Lawrence is much better, if any, than Fields. Second, who said anything about not building a team around them? It's like you're purposely skipping my posts. I don't know if the Smith yesterday is who he is now but I thought he did a great job distributing the ball around and making smart decisions. The sacks are, in my mind, a culmination of the rust and his hesitance to run again but I think he'll get back there. If this is the kind of play we'll get from him then I don't mind drafting a developmental QB like Lance and letting Smith be the starter next year while still under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Crazy to think we have all these holes still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, dyst said: Crazy to think we have all these holes still. Every team though has holes even the top ones. Impossible just about not to have a glaring weakness or two in the era of the salary cap. If we address for example LT, FS, LB that might be enough to become really good. If we have good QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, dyst said: Crazy to think we have all these holes still. Why is that crazy? Weve been talent starved for years, cant fix it in one offseason. 3 above average drafts have brought the floor up, and there is a clear picture that 3 key positions makes this team go into 2021 as a contender for the division. QB, OT, MLB. Additional pieces just makes the team better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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