Tarpon75 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rex Tomb said: None of that matters to the mob. It's not going to stop until our past is completely rewritten. And then what? The mob will never be satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Snyder will conduct a "thorough review" and conclude that the team name is and always has been a term of respect to native americans and as such will remain in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Ok, well if anything I understand why they don’t want y’all to talk about this ****. Most of you can’t be adults about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Llevron said: Who knows. I ain’t paid enough to fight over it tho This is where I'm at with it. Just change it to something that doesn't suck, preferably Redtails or Redhogs, so we can keep the old script R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The can change the name to the Pink Ponies and I wouldn’t care. The adolescent attachment to a silly name from a bygone era by adults is fundamentally weird. This franchise has needed an image reboot for quite some time. Doesn’t really matter how we arrive at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Phil Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 For him to change the name after all the legal wranglings in the Redskins trademark opposition proceeding would not make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just654 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: Nooo way. That official release, with quotes and all, just created its own expectations. Can't run away from it now. They're even being killed for gratuitously using the name so much in a release about changing it, even ending with the name as a sign-off. The attention is only beginning and that official memo release will now be the talk of ESPN. Schefter knows a lot and even said the name is dunzo man. you missed my point. It gives Dan time to see if this passes. If the pressure passes they come out with a study staying the polled so many people and what not not. If it doesn’t pass you come out with a plan to change. It gives Dan time. No rushing to change it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 So having a difference of opinion from you is not being an adult about it? @Llevron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, panahoo said: Snyder will conduct a "thorough review" and conclude that the team name is and always has been a term of respect to native americans and as such will remain in place. Would not surprise me in the least bit. But to his credit, he has done a lot of work behind the scenes for Native Americans. Far more than most of the people on their soapboxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho fan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Tarpon75 said: And then what? The mob will never be satisfied. Exactly... what's the endgame.. "they" will move from one thing to the next. Attacking until a certain group deems its no longer offensive. Redefining what is offensive. Its a search for things to be upset about and offended by. After the Redskins change the name and Mount Rushmore is torn down there will always be something to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Phil Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Well if time helped that weasel Ralph Northum stay in his job after the huge controversy with his pic, then maybe I can feel better that this is a stalling tactic and the name will stay as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, just654 said: you missed my point. It gives Dan time to see if this passes. If the pressure passes they come out with a study staying the polled so many people and what not not. If it doesn’t pass you come out with a plan to change. It gives Dan time. No rushing to change it now I did not miss your point, I directly disagreed with it. I said that it does not give Snyder time to see if it passes, it ramps up anticipation and national attention until he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Changing a name is going to do nothing for the Native Americans living on reservations, and with all the disparity that comes with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Llevron said: I still wonder if there is middle ground most people can agree with. I know you can never satisfy everyone, especially those resistant to change just because “you have to be” or those pushing it because “times have changed”. But I think the middle ground is where we should be playing towards. Who knows. I ain’t paid enough to fight over it tho The slippery slope argument is a one I'm wary of because in this case I think it is largely phony. I don't think there is any serious momentum to get George Washington off the one dollar bill. That said, one of things that I find difficult about the Redskins' argument is there are so many who want to speak "for" Native Americans and so few who seem to be speaking "with" them. I don't think Native Americans need others to tell them what's offensive to them and how they've been wronged. I do think that when they speak we should listen. I do think that when they speak we should join our voices in support to theirs, but I find it more difficult when someone else announces what a group they are not a part of is offended by. Even more so, when the self-appointed spokespeople for the most part don't seem to ever interviewed the people who they think they are representing. Which brings me back to where I stand. I do think Native Americans deserve a platform on this issue and if they find the name a burden, an insult, a slur then by all means change it, but it should be what they think and not what we think they think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsnut Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Rex Tomb said: Changing a name is going to do nothing for the Native Americans living on reservations, and with all the disparity that comes with it. And they would then have to become cowboy fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Idaho fan said: Exactly... what's the endgame.. "they" will move from one thing to the next. Attacking until a certain group deems its no longer offensive. Redefining what is offensive. Its a search for things to be upset about and offended by. After the Redskins change the name and Mount Rushmore is torn down there will always be something to attack. When you're constantly looking for things to be offended by, it's easy to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Reading between the lines of what Rivera said in that release, I bet Snyder makes an enormously large donation to reservations or various NA interest groups (honoring them and what the name was intended to accomplish) and then skews something more patriotic/military with the new name (Rivera randomly mention honoring the military which was weird otherwise). I'm not a huge fan of that but I bet they assume most of the people who will be upset with the name change could be placated by a sufficiently American-honoring alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: This is where I'm at with it. Just change it to something that doesn't suck, preferably Redtails or Redhogs, so we can keep the old script R. If there is anything I wanna keep, it’s the R and the Fight Song. I just think the fight song is so classy and that I would miss. Even if you have to change some words. But times change so if it does it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Phil Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Good point Burgold, if native Americans are truly offended, and not sleazy pols like Norton and Bowser , then Maybe the name should be changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre The Giant Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: Would not surprise me in the least bit. But to his credit, he has done a lot of work behind the scenes for Native Americans. Far more than most of the people on their soapboxes. How often is Schefter factually wrong? Pretty much never. If Schefty says the name is on its way out, it's over. The Skins wouldn't release this statement without being fully prepared to change. The real question is what's the new name going to be. Based on the wording of the release, it's likely something to do with Native Americans and the Military. They've probably already decided. Keeps random guys from trademarking potential options and driving up the cost now that the word's out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rex Tomb said: Changing a name is going to do nothing for the Native Americans living on reservations, and with all the disparity that comes with it. No, lots and lots of money donated, millions, announced with the official name change, will help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, sportsnut said: And they would then have to become cowboy fans. Random trivia: Did you know that the term cowboy was originally a slur? Back in the day, farmers really didn't like the ranchers whose herds they blamed for all sorts of mischief so they began speculating about the activities these men would be participating in while on the range for so many weeks or months without a woman around. A cow-boy originally was intended as an insult that implied that man and steer were having "relations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The name is going to change since corporate sponsors have already pulled money out of the franchise or are on the verge of doing so. Some of you still in denial are unfortunately going to learn a brutal, cold truth about living in a capitalist country. Money talks and no one cares about your feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rex Tomb Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Burgold said: Random trivia: Did you know that the term cowboy was originally a slur? Back in the day, farmers really didn't like the ranchers whose herds they blamed for all sorts of mischief so they began speculating about the activities these men would be participating in while on the range for so many weeks or months without a woman around. A cow-boy originally was intended as an insult that implied that man and steer were having "relations." Well that tears it! We'll have to petition for the name change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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