BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

[skinfan2k]

Let's see what happens today at his daily rally at 5. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by skinfan2k

[China]

Coronavirus: Body-bag stocks 'in danger of running out'

 

Mortuary suppliers have told BBC News they have no stocks of standard body bags left for sale, blaming the shortage on stockpiling due to the coronavirus pandemic.

 

New stocks from overseas cannot be sourced for many weeks, they say.

 

The NHS says it currently has adequate stocks but health workers report having to wrap bodies in sheets.

 

Public Health England said the virus that caused Covid-19 degraded quickly after a patient had died.

 

And there was no specific need for body bags to be used to transport these corpses, although "there may be other practical reasons for their use".

 

Barber Medical, which has the NHS contract for mortuary supplies, said availability of zipped mortuary bags was a real problem and they could not be sourced anywhere.

 

The company has, however, increased the availability of polythene bags, known as body pouch bags, and urged any hospital or trust struggling with supplies to contact it.

 

Click on the link for the full article

 

No problem, just call these guys:

 

[Nerm]

1 hour ago, Dan T. said:

South Dakota’s governor resisted ordering people to stay home.

Now it has one of the nation’s largest coronavirus hot spots.

 

 

I don't pay a lot of attention to state politics in South Dakota (where I live) but my perception was that the Governor was taking things fairly seriously.  She seemed to shut down schools quickly at least.  Also, I feel like this is a bit of a misleading headline.  I don't know what other states are doing with their large food processing plants, but I have assumed that maintaining a food supply is something that is considered essential, even for states where stay at home orders are in effect.  My guess is that this business would have been exempted in any state with stay at home orders, so I don't think the first sentence of the headline has anything to do with what happened at that food processing plant.  Of course, I could be wrong.

[China]

Coronavirus: Footage captures chaotic scenes in Moscow as ambulances 'queue to enter hospitals'

 

As Russia struggles with an escalating coronavirus crisis, videos and images posted online have shown long queues of ambulances apparently waiting to get access to hospitals in the Moscow region.

 

Footage shot from a Moscow tower block and posted on Twitter on Friday showed more than 50 emergency service vehicles queueing around the block.

 

Another user shared street-level footage of what appeared to be the same stretch of ambulances. They said it was filmed outside a hospital on Startovaya Street, in the Losinoostrovsky district of the Russian capital.

 

"The picture is terrifying. This is no longer possible to hide," the user tweeted.

 

 

Click on the link for more

[Mr. Sinister]

I guess it's simultaneously heartless and too much to ask that it gets so bad there the populace rises up and assassinated Putin

[Larry]

14 minutes ago, Nerm said:

I don't know what other states are doing with their large food processing plants, but I have assumed that maintaining a food supply is something that is considered essential, even for states where stay at home orders are in effect. 

 

Yeah, keeping the grocery stores open, but shiutting down the people who supply them, would be, . . . . difficult to sustain.  

[goskins10]

39 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

That's because we have people on the ground in Africa, we have military bases there, research institutions in the US work closely with African health agencies and the WHO has open access to African countries. China on the other hand has largely shut itself out to foreign institutions and tightly controls information flow within its own communities.

 

China is an opaque country with a sprawling surveillance system more advanced than any other country on Earth. Yes, our IC knew of a likely viral outbreak in China by November. That does not mean we were aware of the characteristics of the virus, which is only possible if you have people on the ground collecting good data. By most reports, China wasn't even letting its own medical professionals report on this or taking it very seriously, so its doubtful that our IC understood the magnitude of what was actually happening. The first IC official IC report on this submitted in the first week of January according what little we know.

 

I am not sure if you just hate China that much or you are trying to provide excuses for this administration. I am leaning to intense hate for China because it at least appears you are not a fan of the trump administration at all. You know there are real people over there. People like us who want to eat, sleep, have families, go on vacations, etc. It's not some evil empire where the entire population is out to get us. 

 

BTW: We did have boots on the ground until mid 2019 when trump discontinued the position. We had a person in the Chinese CDC. So we had the people in place and China did not throw them out. Trump removed them. He also disbanded the Pandemic Response Readiness team. Had he not done that, there is a real chance they could have had us out in front of this thing and contained it to a smaller geographical area. 

 

We can blame China, and they own some of this for sure. But saying this administration only owns a months delay ignores a mountain of data that shows we knew much earlier than that and made the decision to ignore the issue until it became unmanageable. And more importantly, that decisions made before the pandemic even happened seriously weakened our ability to react. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by goskins10

[ixcuincle]

what i wanna know is why the **** we only getting one check

 

do you know how many people in this country have filed for unemployment?

 

do you really think one 1200 dollar check is going to help them?

 

gimme more money

[tshile]

2 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

what i wanna know is why the **** we only getting one check

 

do you know how many people in this country have filed for unemployment?

 

do you really think one 1200 dollar check is going to help them?

 

gimme more money

because we’re a country of selfish people who’s gut reaction in a crisis is to worry about their money and their personal situation 

 

we may get around to caring about other people once it’s over and we’re talking about it with revisionist history, but only after we’re pretty sure we’ve protected and recovered ourselves the best we can

 

day 1 I said every adult should get 1000$ a month until this is over and loans/utility payments should be suspended. Food and gas and household essentials. That’s the best way to save the economy while also convincing people to stay home and make things better quicker

 

unfortunately that requires giving a **** about other people. 
 

every single person I said that too looked at me like I was crazy. Told me how people that don’t deserve it should t get money. Told me it would be scammed. Told me that’s too socialist

 

Weeks later with the economy falling apart they all look like selfish idiots. Maybe my idea isn’t great. But I’ve yet to hear a better one. And what we’re doing right now doesn’t seem to be helping at all. 
 

we can blame certain aspects of politics in a lot of this.  But give what I’ve personally seen over the last several weeks, the real problem is we’re a country full of selfish and stupid people. I’m willing to bet if you look through our social and political issues you’ll find that theme running deep throughout them all. 
 

Being an adult has taught me that, outside of 9/11, the patriotic America first we care about each other mentality I was raised to believe in is total trash. A nonexistent fantasy to make people feel good about themselves. 

And that goes beyond what’s being discussed in public. I’m privy to some private information. I’m not free to share. All I’ll say is that the selfishness leaks through everywhere. And some of these heroes being celebrated are nothing more than selfish pricks. 
 

im sure that’ll come out in the report on this when it’s all said and done. Buried in a multi-thousand page commissioned report that most people won’t read or every know these things. Just like the 9/11 report. 
 

cause we’re also helplessly lazy and ignorant 

[visionary]

Why is this being covered?  Is this in addition to his usual Covid rally?

Edited April 14, 2020 by visionary

[Larry]

6 minutes ago, tshile said:

day 1 I said every adult should get 1000$ a month until this is over and loans/utility payments should be suspended.

 

Agreed with these, also since day 1.  

 

I thibnk a large part of the economic impact of this (not all, by any means.  But a large part.) isn't due to the lockdowns, it's because we didn't give our citizens as much support as many other countries did.  

 

2 minutes ago, visionary said:

Why is this being covered?

 

My money would be on "We're filming a campaign commercial."  "Look how much he cares about the Little People (who he's about to order to go expose themselves to a virus, because he's bored)."

[China]

44 minutes ago, Nerm said:

 

 I don't know what other states are doing with their large food processing plants, but I have assumed that maintaining a food supply is something that is considered essential, even for states where stay at home orders are in effect.  

 

It's time to talk more seriously about the food supply

 

The meat supply is at risk. Farm workers are in fear. It's hard to get groceries.

 

Health professionals -- doctors, nurses and everyone down the line -- are the rightful and obvious heroes of the pandemic, but if this dark episode has taught us anything about the way we live today, it could be that our society rests on the backs of a lot of people who cannot simply stay home and chill while the coronavirus blows through.

 

Food workers are front-line workers too -- You probably saw the headline recently that one of the largest hog processing plants in the country had ceased production for the foreseeable future. The reason? Employees at the plant, a Smithfield operation, account for about half of the coronavirus cases in South Dakota.
Similar closures have hit plants in Pennsylvania and Iowa and the CEO of Smithfield said the country's meat supply is at risk.

Are shortages coming? Yes, if we panic -- We've already seen runs on toilet paper and cleaning products. Will people stockpile bacon in their freezers if they fear a pork shortage? Please don't. The US is not running out of meat. It's not that there's no meat. It's that, at the moment, there are gaps in the way we process it and get it to consumers.
Americans are being told to visit grocery stores only when they must. Grocery store workers do not have that luxury. Read this story about how clerks are on the front lines of this pandemic.

Food, food everywhere, but not a bite to eat -- Keeping the supply chain going while also keeping farmworkers and meat cutters, along with packers and truck drivers and warehouse workers and grocery stockers and checkout clerks, healthy is one priority.

Another problem is finding ways to get food to consumers, now that restaurants, office canteens, school cafeterias and so many other places people used to go eat are closed. The current situation is this: Farmers are dumping food, including milk, even as people grow increasingly desperate and lines grow at food banks.

"It is a cascading series of events here that is disrupting the entire food chain," said Tom Vilsack, the former Iowa governor who served as secretary of agriculture during the Obama administration, in an interview with CNN on Monday. "You start ending school lunch programs, universities shut down, food service shuts down, tourism and hotels have low occupancy and at the end of the day you have a tremendous amount of the overall supply of food having to be redirected."

He said the government will need to spend money to buy food from growers and give it to food banks.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[FanboyOf91]

 

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Larry]

1 minute ago, visionary said:

 

 

 

"Have you seen how bad the Press is treating me?"

[skinny21]

49 minutes ago, Nerm said:

 

I don't pay a lot of attention to state politics in South Dakota (where I live) but my perception was that the Governor was taking things fairly seriously.  She seemed to shut down schools quickly at least.  Also, I feel like this is a bit of a misleading headline.  I don't know what other states are doing with their large food processing plants, but I have assumed that maintaining a food supply is something that is considered essential, even for states where stay at home orders are in effect.  My guess is that this business would have been exempted in any state with stay at home orders, so I don't think the first sentence of the headline has anything to do with what happened at that food processing plant.  Of course, I could be wrong.

Kind of agree - meat packers are essential businesses, and the headline is a bit misleading probably, but...

 

1) Without stay at home orders, how many of these workers and their family members spread the virus to others?

2) The mayor is worried about stay at home orders for counties surrounding  Sioux Falls (presumably because they impact the healthcare system of Sioux Falls).

3) According to researchers at the University of Texas, school closures have a relatively small impact compared with social distancing.  Their model showed the difference between a 50%, 70% and 90% chance in social interaction, and only the 90% change actually kept healthcare systems from being overrun/overburdened.  
4) Smithfield was slow in trying to implement measures in the work place to prevent COVID spread (some community members finally began protesting) and this tact/decision might have been impacted by stay at home orders.  

[killerbee99]

1 hour ago, redskinss said:

Already do number 4... Can't listen to the bumbling buffoon (sp?) 

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[visionary]

 

[Mr. Sinister]

52 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

what i wanna know is why the **** we only getting one check

 

do you know how many people in this country have filed for unemployment?

 

do you really think one 1200 dollar check is going to help them?

 

gimme more money

 

Tshile got it right. It's easy to act like we are a forgiving,  understanding, compassionate nation when **** never happens to us (because we're America!).

 

But when you're the one taking the hits, that's when the ugly truths come out, from govt officials all the way down to your next door neighbor.

 

We would sell our own children if it meant we could make an extra buck

[The 12th Commandment]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

Tshile got it right. It's easy to act like we are a forgiving,  understanding, compassionate nation when **** never happens to us (because we're America!).

 

But when you're the one taking the hits, that's when the ugly truths come out, from govt officials all the way down to your next door neighbor.

 

We would sell our own children if it meant we could make an extra buck

Frankly, I find this unhealthily cynical.  On a national level it's true to be sure but on the state level, the local level and the neighborhood level, I see people taking care of each other and pitching in, in a way I have never seen in my 50+ years.

[goskins10]

I heard a good solution to the employment issue and people paychecks. Instead of bailouts to large corporations and a paltry one time payment to some citizens, the government should offer to pay a certain % of each companies payroll to close until the virus is contained therefore incentivizing businesses to stay closed. The loans are not going to help like they should. 

 

 

[Barry.Randolphe]

6 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

I heard a good solution to the employment issue and people paychecks. Instead of bailouts to large corporations and a paltry one time payment to some citizens, the government should offer to pay a certain % of each companies payroll to close until the virus is contained therefore incentivizing businesses to stay closed. The loans are not going to help like they should. 

 

 

 

Impossible. That makes far too much sense.

[Cooked Crack]