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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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!!!!0mgz!!!! Trent Williams finally showed up

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1 hour ago, LetThePointsSoar said:

Nearly 200 pages and weeks of checking this thread hourly.... And zero actual news/updates. 

 

Sheesh. Come on, Trent. Come home already. 

Just remember that Seinfield lasted 9 seasons for 180 episodes.

 

And both of these are about nothing. :) 

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1 hour ago, London Kev said:

If he does come back and actually plays (something I still hope will happen), then it sure will be awkward if he gets injured on the field and has to be attended to by the medical staff.

 

Medical Officer: "Hold still Trent, this may hurt a little bit!" 

 

 

Well, he hasn't played 16 games in quite some time, so I think it'll be a "when" rather than an "if" in your above post. 

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Around 1:40 PM:

Reporter:  Trent was in town, have you talked with him at all?

Jay:  We're getting ready for the Eagles.  No, I have not.  -- with authority and bite

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I am beginning to believe this is all a game orchestrated by Trent and others to mess with the heads of the media, tease the fans and the organization.

 

A childish game

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4 minutes ago, brettstr said:

I am beginning to believe this is all a game orchestrated by Trent and others to mess with the heads of the media, tease the fans and the organization.

 

A childish game

 

I certainly wouldn't put it past Trent or his agent to be purposely sitting out Week 1 to see how the left side of the O-line performs in his absence.  If they are abused the entire game, then suddenly the front office starts upping the ante to get Trent back ASAP.  I don't think there is anyone predicting the O-line to perform particularly well this Sunday, but there is a chance they perform even worse than we are all expecting. 

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Just now, NoCalMike said:

 

I certainly wouldn't put it past Trent or his agent to be purposely sitting out Week 1 to see how the left side of the O-line performs in his absence.  If they are abused the entire game, then suddenly the front office starts upping the ante to get Trent back ASAP.  I don't think there is anyone predicting the O-line to perform particularly well this Sunday, but there is a chance they perform even worse than we are all expecting. 

 

It would be amazing if the left side held its own. Then where would the Rooster fly?😉

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14 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

I certainly wouldn't put it past Trent or his agent to be purposely sitting out Week 1 to see how the left side of the O-line performs in his absence.  If they are abused the entire game, then suddenly the front office starts upping the ante to get Trent back ASAP.  I don't think there is anyone predicting the O-line to perform particularly well this Sunday, but there is a chance they perform even worse than we are all expecting. 

 

I wish the organization had a way to refuse his return so he can't get credit for the season. I don't mean if he wants to come back in week 2 or 3, but if he comes back in week 10 to hit the bare minimum of games, that would be ****ty. 

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1 minute ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

I wish the organization had a way to refuse his return so he can't get credit for the season. I don't mean if he wants to come back in week 2 or 3, but if he comes back in week 10 to hit the bare minimum of games, that would be ****ty. 

 

Yeah I agree, if Trent's intent is to drag this out 10 weeks and only show up to the bare minimum in order to collect his checks, then that changes things for me.  If he is sitting out on principle (outside of the money stuff) then make a real statement by staying gone, it's not like you don't have enough money to love comfortably for your entire life already.

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32 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

I certainly wouldn't put it past Trent or his agent to be purposely sitting out Week 1 to see how the left side of the O-line performs in his absence.  If they are abused the entire game, then suddenly the front office starts upping the ante to get Trent back ASAP.  I don't think there is anyone predicting the O-line to perform particularly well this Sunday, but there is a chance they perform even worse than we are all expecting. 

 

I've thought all along that this was about Trent's beef with the organization/medical staff.  As I've said before, the vow to not play for the Redskins ever again is vastly different than "I'm not being paid enough, I want a raise and I'm holding out."  

 

I think you might be right in terms of Trent wanting to see how the left side of the line performs.  Trent's timing here is magnificent, it's the only thing that makes me think this is about the money and getting paid.  We draft a rookie QB, we've also got essentially a rookie RB that could benefit from running behind him.  If Trent is looking for any kind of leverage to have over the team, this timing here is not a coincidence.  

 

I'd love to be wrong but I really don't think he's coming back.  There doesn't seem to be any leaks from his side, meanwhile Bruce is staying positive and I think that's just a public front.

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6 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

I've thought all along that this was about Trent's beef with the organization/medical staff.  As I've said before, the vow to not play for the Redskins ever again is vastly different than "I'm not being paid enough, I want a raise and I'm holding out."  

 

I think you might be right in terms of Trent wanting to see how the left side of the line performs.  Trent's timing here is magnificent, it's the only thing that makes me think this is about the money and getting paid.  We draft a rookie QB, we've also got essentially a rookie RB that could benefit from running behind him.  If Trent is looking for any kind of leverage to have over the team, this timing here is not a coincidence.  

 

I'd love to be wrong but I really don't think he's coming back.  There doesn't seem to be any leaks from his side, meanwhile Bruce is staying positive and I think that's just a public front.

 

I'd rather he stay away if he's not willing to come back under the current situation. We should NOT be adding another cent to his contract and we should also NOT be firing medical staff on a whim. I really believe he wanted an extension or a trade and used some believable story about the medical staff as a way to get to this point. 

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1 minute ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

I'd rather he stay away if he's not willing to come back under the current situation. We should NOT be adding another cent to his contract and we should also NOT be firing medical staff on a whim. I really believe he wanted an extension or a trade and used some believable story about the medical staff as a way to get to this point. 

 

Yeah, I don't want him if he doesn't want to be here.  

 

But if he wanted an extension, why not just ask for it like a normal football player would?  What good agent would be like "....hey, I think I've got a solution here.  Remember that growth on your head?  Yeah, we're going to say that you were really unhappy with the way the medical staff handled it.  No, they'll really understand that I'm asking for an extension and more money here..."

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1 minute ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Yeah, I don't want him if he doesn't want to be here.  

 

But if he wanted an extension, why not just ask for it like a normal football player would?  What good agent would be like "....hey, I think I've got a solution here.  Remember that growth on your head?  Yeah, we're going to say that you were really unhappy with the way the medical staff handled it.  No, they'll really understand that I'm asking for an extension and more money here..."

 

That's fair, I don't know. Maybe it's the optics of being one of the few guys in the league who have been fortunate enough to cash in on TWO large contracts yet still wanting more? Even if you just look at his current contract, he's eaten up all the guarantees that he got paid out in the first 3 years and would now immediately be asking for more with 2 years remaining. If he understands that he might look pretty greedy there, he may want another reason to "hold out" from the team? 

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For all we know the original beef could have been a combination of things, but he has been talked to about some stuff and now he is focusing on the money/extension.  That would be pure speculation, but just saying it is possible.  The situation didn't start like it would normally would had it always just been about money.  In those cases it is pretty clear cut, say like Zeke's situation.  

 

Nothing in this organization feels transparent, and this is just the next instance of that. 

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Just now, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

That's fair, I don't know. Maybe it's the optics of being one of the few guys in the league who have been fortunate enough to cash in on TWO large contracts yet still wanting more? Even if you just look at his current contract, he's eaten up all the guarantees that he got paid out in the first 3 years and would now immediately be asking for more with 2 years remaining. If he understands that he might look pretty greedy there, he may want another reason to "hold out" from the team? 

 

That's possible, too.  All I know for sure is that the situation is weird and I don't like it.

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1 hour ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

I wish the organization had a way to refuse his return so he can't get credit for the season. I don't mean if he wants to come back in week 2 or 3, but if he comes back in week 10 to hit the bare minimum of games, that would be ****ty. 

 

This is exactly what I was thinking as well. If he wants to sit he shouldn't get credit for the year by coming back for the bare minimum of games. I could see that pissing off teammates as well, even ones who have been relatively understanding up until now. That would be a really bad look for him IMO. I hope there's a way for the team to refuse it so he doesn't get credit. 

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3 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

This is exactly what I was thinking as well. If he wants to sit he shouldn't get credit for the year by coming back for the bare minimum of games. I could see that pissing off teammates as well, even ones who have been relatively understanding up until now. That would be a really bad look for him IMO. I hope there's a way for the team to refuse it so he doesn't get credit. 

 

I've thought about it and I'm sure there isn't anything they could do. I bet there was a reason that 6 games was collectively bargained and I would doubt that there's much wiggle room. He's still leaving more than half his money on the table, but he will get credit and be one year closer to free agency. 

 

Barring a trade (which I wish would have happened already), I'd be perfectly fine with the Redskins moving him to guard or sitting him out all of next year if he pulls that crap. 

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1 hour ago, brettstr said:

I am beginning to believe this is all a game orchestrated by Trent and others to mess with the heads of the media, tease the fans and the organization.

 

A childish game

Lol, I've been saying this for awhile...lol. I don't even think he's been medically cleared yet

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8 minutes ago, Xameil said:

Lol, I've been saying this for awhile...lol. I don't even think he's been medically cleared yet

I was thinking this same thing...if he was that close to retirement he wouldn't have let anyone know outside his family about it..turns out its not career ending, him the brass/medical staff called .. truce? and hes been medically now..and hes back for the Dallass game..I hope.

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Just now, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

He would need to be at the facility for that though, right?

I dont know actually. He just had surgery a few weeks ago. So...I would think that Dr. has first say

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It would make more sense to have showed up for camp if Trent was dealing with medical issues that would prevent him from being cleared to play.  He wouldn't have to practice or play, but he would not be fined or miss any game checks.

 

I think it is safe to say that the reason he is not reporting is that he wants to be traded or released.  Short of that, he wants an extension.  I certainly don't think  he is doing any of this just to mess with the media.

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11 hours ago, Nerm said:

It would make more sense to have showed up for camp if Trent was dealing with medical issues that would prevent him from being cleared to play.  He wouldn't have to practice or play, but he would not be fined or miss any game checks.

 

I think it is safe to say that the reason he is not reporting is that he wants to be traded or released.  Short of that, he wants an extension.  I certainly don't think  he is doing any of this just to mess with the media.

I think it has been said pretty much here  Trent was treated pretty well by management. Seems to me he is taking advantage of allegedly 1 mistake by medical staff. I will spell it out. 

Ungrateful Spoiled Brat

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I still want to trade him but I am gathering that's not happening.

 

So my guess is he comes back next week.  Too much emphasis I think on how he won't be here for week 1 as opposed to not coming period.  but who knows, just a guess.  

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Jags are down to their third string left tackle.......just throwing that out there to get today started. Gotta get this to 200 pages.

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