TheShredder Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, alwaysaskin said: The problem is that they’ll either whiff in the draft on a WR or overpay for some team’s #5 receiver. They haven’t had good receivers since Garçon and DJAX left NFL WR's take 2+ years to develop in most cases. Antonio Brown had a good sophomore year, setback in year 3, then went off. Draft Position...6th rounder. That's the thing about having WR issues. You've got to add one in FA and hit one in the draft that supplants the FA. Skins don't have enough options at WR to make CK the QB he was in 2017 without WR's like Diggs and Theilen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbias Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, HigSkin said: Yea, @clskinsfan so by my calculation Earl Thomas should get some variation of 3 yrs/$48 mil and is priced out of the Cowboy's range! 😂 Collins first 3 yrs/$45 mil Mathieu 3 yrs/$42 mil At that price the Cowboys can't afford him. Interesting nugget on ESPN today (Will Cain). They were discussing who the next 'Antonio Brown', meaning a player who should be hosting their current team hostage for an extension, should be. Their thoughts were Zeke should be next. This year the Cowboys, who don't have much cap space, have to lock up Dak, Cooper, Byron Jones and Lawrence. The year after will be Zeke. I tend to agree. He's got 2 options: 1 - Be a good soldier and get 350+ touches the next 2 seasons, then hit free agency a RB with little tread left on the tires. 2 - Complain now, force your free agency and get paid in the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Art said: First, who are the corners in free agency you'd give even $10 million to. Go. Done? Agreed. I'll ignore your thoughts on Gilmore, who, a year ago, was ranked as one of the worst signings in free agency. Second, you're suggesting Mathieu, who is smaller, shorter, slower, older, more injured, who has been to 1 Pro Bowl and named All Pro once, is in the same league as Collins, who is in possession of the inverse characteristic listed for Mathieu, who has been a Pro Bowler three times and All Pro once, in fewer years, who tackles more, and who is "ball park" in passes defensed with Mathieu, given Collins is always in the box and Mathieu is covering slot? You're solid on all this still, yeah? A few of the extraordinary athletes that proved more nimble than Collins in the 3 cone. Granted, most of these guys weighed 80 - 100 lbs more, so it’s tough to compare. http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2011-2012-2013-2014-2015-2016-2017-2018-2019&workout=THREE_CONE_DRILL&position=OL 1 2018 OTBRIAN O'NEILLPITTSBURGHTOP PERFORMER IN: 40 YARD DASH | 3 CONE DRILL 7.14 2 2011 OLJASON KELCECINCINNATITOP PERFORMER IN: VERTICAL JUMP | 40 YARD DASH 7.22 3 2011 OLANTHONY CASTONZOBOSTON COLLEGETOP PERFORMER IN: VERTICAL JUMP | BENCH PRESS 7.25 3 2015 OTJAKE FISHEROREGONTOP PERFORMER IN: 20 YARD SHUTTLE | 3 CONE DRILL 7.25 5 2013 OGJEFF BACAUCLATOP PERFORMER IN: 3 CONE DRILL | 40 YARD DASH 7.26 6 2017 OTGARETT BOLLESUTAHTOP PERFORMER IN: BROAD JUMP | 3 CONE DRILL 7.29 6 2018 CJAMES DANIELSIOWATOP PERFORMER IN: 20 YARD SHUTTLE | BROAD JUMP 7.29 6 2011 OLBRANDON FUSCOSLIPPERY ROCKTOP PERFORMER IN: BROAD JUMP | 20 YARD SHUTTLE 7.29 9 2017 OGDION DAWKINSTEMPLETOP PERFORMER IN: 40 YARD DASH | 3 CONE DRILL 7.30 9 2012 GDAVID DECASTROSTANFORDTOP PERFORMER IN: 3 CONE DRILL | VERTICAL JUMP 7.30 9 2014 CGABE IKARDOKLAHOMATOP PERFORMER IN: 40 YARD DASH | 3 CONE DRILL 7.30 12 2016 CJAKE BRENDELUCLATOP PERFORMER IN: BROAD JUMP | 40 YARD DASH 7.31 12 2013 OTLANE JOHNSONOKLAHOMATOP PERFORMER IN: 3 CONE DRILL | 40 YARD DASH 7.31 12 2016 OTTYLER JOHNSTONEOREGONTOP PERFORMER IN: 20 YARD SHUTTLE | BROAD JUMP 7.31 12 2013 CBRIAN SCHWENKECALIFORNIATOP PERFORMER IN: BROAD JUMP | BENCH PRESS 7.31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: He's good but with his injury history and the luck of this team on that front, wonder if he's on the table. Wonder if Collins pushes the FO to bring back his old safety partner at Alabama. I recall he and Haha are close. Not sure if I want Haha back personally though -- rather have Gipson if they still plan to add a FS. In total agreement on Gipson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I was wondering about HaHa I kind of would like him back because I kind of feel he fits better with Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, RWJ said: Art, from an earlier post you made. Do you still see us or are you hearing we will still sign 2 or 3 more big named players in FA? Any more action tonight do you think? Define big name. No one we'll sign is as big a name as Collins. Not even Mosely. We will sign two or three more players who have some significant ability. Yeah. I'm still there on that. But, remember, in a free agent class Preston Smith ranks 12th according to rankings, it's not likely there are THAT many players out there and if the price goes crappy like with Mosely, I'd look more toward several, say five signings that are players with some upside or something to prove. In the first category maybe names like Mitch Morse (though his height without Smith is a worry) and in the second category maybe names like Hicks, Coleman or Houston. Yes, more is likely to happen in my view. But, I suspect not until the league year at this point as Mosely would have been the only other one who required some pretty big attention at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: He's good but with his injury history and the luck of this team on that front, wonder if he's on the table. Wonder if Collins pushes the FO to bring back his old safety partner at Alabama. I recall he and Haha are close. Not sure if I want Haha back personally though -- rather have Gipson if they still plan to add a FS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, TheShredder said: They have no #1 WR, which negates CK at QB. Drafting a WR is not going to solve that in 2019 and likely not 2020. They have no Edge Rusher outside of Kerrigan and OG issue is paramount. Skins can't solve their issues in 2019. Likely can't do it by 2020. .500 Team that is doing just enough to stay there. Yeah, but they aren't going to find a number one receiver in FA anyway. If you don't bring in players because you have holes that you can't fill, you aren't going to bring in anyone. Since we need a WR the draft is the only way that will be accomplished, not trying to get any talent until then would be unwise and put you behind the 8 ball even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2nd rounder, wow, he should be safe from prying teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Art said: Define big name. No one we'll sign is as big a name as Collins. Not even Mosely. We will sign two or three more players who have some significant ability. Yeah. I'm still there on that. But, remember, in a free agent class Preston Smith ranks 12th according to rankings, it's not likely there are THAT many players out there and if the price goes crappy like with Mosely, I'd look more toward several, say five signings that are players with some upside or something to prove. In the first category maybe names like Mitch Morse (though his height without Smith is a worry) and in the second category maybe names like Hicks, Coleman or Houston. Yes, more is likely to happen in my view. But, I suspect not until the league year at this point as Mosely would have been the only other one who required some pretty big attention at this point. Didnt mitch morse agree to contract with Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Art said: Define big name. No one we'll sign is as big a name as Collins. Not even Mosely. We will sign two or three more players who have some significant ability. Yeah. I'm still there on that. But, remember, in a free agent class Preston Smith ranks 12th according to rankings, it's not likely there are THAT many players out there and if the price goes crappy like with Mosely, I'd look more toward several, say five signings that are players with some upside or something to prove. In the first category maybe names like Mitch Morse (though his height without Smith is a worry) and in the second category maybe names like Hicks, Coleman or Houston. Yes, more is likely to happen in my view. But, I suspect not until the league year at this point as Mosely would have been the only other one who required some pretty big attention at this point. Thanks Art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: We don't even know if he's capable of being a #1. We never know if any player we draft will be good enough to be a one. But we still draft them and plan on them producing. I haven't seen anything yet that says he won't be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, volsmet said: A few of the extraordinary athletes that proved more nimble than Collins in the 3 cone. Granted, most of these guys weighed 80 - 100 lbs more, so it’s tough to compare. http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2011-2012-2013-2014-2015-2016-2017-2018-2019&workout=THREE_CONE_DRILL&position=OL So, you think a lineman that gets paid on his short area quickness should be significantly slower than a safety who doesn't? Do you find great athletes who can't play more compelling than great athletes who are three-time Pro Bowlers and an All Pro at 25? Again, since it's obvious, I'll ask you how you think the Cowboys will do given you must like them a lot to HATE on a young Pro Bowler universally respected for his play by EVERYONE not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, panahoo said: Didnt mitch morse agree to contract with Bills? Yes, he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, volsmet said: That’s not true in real life. Bwahahahaha! Sure it isnt. Ignore list getting heavy use tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, panahoo said: Didnt mitch morse agree to contract with Bills? Don't know. I was using his name as a "good" player at a position of need -- in that he'd go to center and we'd cover LG from there. He may have. No clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbias Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, desertbeagle85 said: If Collins is all the Skins get. This free agency is a loss. Is Collins + someone else > Haha + Swearinger? A lot baked into the 'someone else'. I'm completely unsure who that will be. Everett can't stay healthy and Nicholson is a bit of a mess off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Art said: Don't know. I was using his name as a "good" player at a position of need -- in that he'd go to center and we'd cover LG from there. He may have. No clue. Got it. He did agree with Bills, but I see your point. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShredder Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Unbias said: Is Collins + someone else > Haha + Swearinger? A lot baked into the 'someone else'. I'm completely unsure who that will be. Everett can't stay healthy and Nicholson is a bit of a mess off the field. Nicholson getting into a fist fight with another guy isn't an off field mess. It's a two dumb drunk guys fighting incident. He'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The dreaded 3 Cone Drill!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Collins is a damn good football player but that's a lot of money for a Safety who doesn't take over games the way Reed or Polamalu did. We still need a cover safety because Collin is really more of an in the box guy. This is just the SnyderSkins MO all over again. Go big on a FA with name recognition to distract an angry fanbase. Fan base sees through his distractions. This team will be forever stuck in the 7 to 9 win range; as long as Gruden is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Unbias said: Is Collins + someone else > Haha + Swearinger? A lot baked into the 'someone else'. I'm completely unsure who that will be. Everett can't stay healthy and Nicholson is a bit of a mess off the field. Honestly, at this point don't you almost HAVE to bring back Ha Ha? Seriously, we're so in on Bama boys and while I agree with everyone we got nothing from him a year ago, his value has also dwindled because of it. He's have the most upside out there at the position so I'd lean toward bringing him back at this point. What do you have to lose really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysaskin Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, TheShredder said: NFL WR's take 2+ years to develop in most cases. Antonio Brown had a good sophomore year, setback in year 3, then went off. Draft Position...6th rounder. That's the thing about having WR issues. You've got to add one in FA and hit one in the draft that supplants the FA. Skins don't have enough options at WR to make CK the QB he was in 2017 without WR's like Diggs and Theilen. True Keenum thrives on the deep ball, we have no deep threat, at the same time Doctson is a bust and is awful in all phases of the passing game, even with a Rosen this team would struggle because of how bad the Receivers are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakedtater1 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Funchess lands in Indy..that should be interesting..go up and getter for luck.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbias Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, TheShredder said: Nicholson getting into a fist fight with another guy isn't an off field mess. It's a two dumb drunk guys fighting incident. He'll be fine. Let's just ignore the off field stuff for a bit. The team saw him start 7 games before they traded a 4th for Haha and demoted him to special teams. The current coaching staff probably aren't too sold on him so I'm unsure if he'll be "fine'. 4 minutes ago, Art said: Honestly, at this point don't you almost HAVE to bring back Ha Ha? Seriously, we're so in on Bama boys and while I agree with everyone we got nothing from him a year ago, his value has also dwindled because of it. He's have the most upside out there at the position so I'd lean toward bringing him back at this point. What do you have to lose really. Maybe. I did think trading for a safety mid season is a horrible way to evaluate how they fit. Within a week they are trying to understand the scheme/lingo and develop chemistry with the other DBs over the weeks to follow. IMO he'd look a lot better with an offseason to prepare. Maybe a one year, 'prove it' type deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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