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      ES Coverage: Giants vs Redskins 
       
      12/9/18
       
      DEFEAT!!!
       
      Giants 40 - Redskins 16
       
      Greetings friends, JimmiJo here, and I am joined by my shivering partner, Spaceman Spiff. Together we will bring you this all important NFC East divisional matchup between the Washington Redskins and New York Giants.
       
      When I was last with you the Redskins had command of the division and there was optimism to spare. Since, devastating injuries to quarterbacks, linemen, and cornerbacks has left this team losers in 4-of-5 contests.
       
      But there is still everything to play for, and if they can manage a victory today and the Eagles to the same Washington will once again have a share of the lead.
       
      I can dream can't I?
       
      On paper, the future looks grim. A continued collapse will start the questions about the future of personnel and perhaps leadership. Yes, we can certainly point to injuries as the primary reason the team is struggling. But the record earlier in the year was masking some issues with the squad. No real arial threat. An inconsistent running game. And a defense that has been anything but consistent.
       
      But these are questions for another time. Today, it is just two teams looking for a win.
       
      See you at the half.
       
      Follow along on Twitter @Skinscast 
       
      Inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 12 QB Colt McCoy
      o   No. 32 RB Samaje Perine
      o   No. 46 RB Kapri Bibbs
      o   No. 52 LB Ryan Anderson
      o   No. 63 C Demetrius Rhaney
      o   No. 66 G Tony Bergstrom
      o   No. 99 DL Caleb Brantley
       
      JimmiJo
       
      I was happy to see players like Josh Johnson and Byron Marshall in the game. The marquee guys did not earn the right to play following the disastrous first half. It was historically bad.
       
      Never before had the Washington Redskins trailed by as much as the 34-0 deficit they entertained today at the half.
       
      I remarked to one of the writers that in 13-seasons I had never seen this team so outplayed as today. The offense led by Mark Sanchez was throw-up in mouth bad. At no point did you feel like they would or could score.
       
      I tweeted before the game that it is time for Daniel Snyder to replaced head coach Jay Gruden. Yes injuries are the headline. But the offense was poor before the injuries.
       
      No aerial threat and an inconsistent rushing. They only seemed to score 20-points per game.
       
      What they did do well was hold on to the ball. And the defense was a takeover machine the first half of the year.
      But turnovers tend to even out.
       
      So I was more than glad to see those ‚Äėbackups‚Äô play. All they did was show they should have been playing in the first half.
       
      Especially Johnson. Take a look at your Redskins’ starter the rest of the way. From his first snap the offense looked different. There was energy. There was life.
       
      And there was threat.
       
      Johnson played with more command, accuracy and imagination than Mark Sanchez. He looked much more the accomplished quarterback.
       
      A word on Josh Doctson. You are an idiot. Without the stupid penalty you are not letting the safety out-position you to make the pick with 5-minutes left.
       
      Following this game, staring at the standings and considering possible scenarios for getting in the playoffs is fools’ gold. It is all about assessing who it worth keeping for next year.
       
      I don’t believe head coach Jay Gruden is going to make the list. Nor should he. He has had nore than enough time to do something here. He had Kirk Cousins’ starting over 3-full seasons.
       
      He had his chance.
       
      I tweeted before the game team owner Daniel Snyder should let Gruden go and bring in Mike McCarthy. Washington Post writer (and friend) Rick Snider made a great counterpoint to that idea:
       
      ‚ÄúWhy would McCarthy want to come here? He has better options,‚ÄĚ he said.
       
      That sure feels like the truth. And if so, it may explain why Gruden is fast becoming one of the most tenured coaches in the league.
       
      This was my last game for this season. I would like to thank Extremeskins and the team for the opportunity this year. I will see you guys next year.
       
      Let me go on the record now and say I do not think Jay Gruden's position here is secure. Not with the likes of Mike McCarthy available.
MCnDaHouse

So where do we go from here (QB wise) this year and next?

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38 minutes ago, MCnDaHouse said:

We'll certainly be toast by the time Colt is ready. Barring a complete collapse by Dallas and Philly.

Actually, i could honestly see it play out like this:

 

us: beat giants 

Philly: beats Dallas 

 

-Philly gets the rams after that. Ouchūüėā¬†

-Dallas gets the colts. Colts could win that

-we play the jaguars. 

 

Yes things look bad now, but if all 3 are tied at 7-6 after Sunday, i could see us back in 1st the weekend after. It wouldn’t take a Philly/Dallas collapse for that to happen

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1 hour ago, MCnDaHouse said:

That's a pretty serious break Smith had combined with his age has me wondering if he'll be back.

 

He'll be back for at least two more years. As long as he can pass a physical, he'll want those dollars.

 

Colt McCoy has to be done with this team. The backup's number one job is to remain upright, and he can't be trusted to go two games of contact without an injury.

 

I dunno. I think you draft someone in the third or fourth round next year and - at worst - groom him to be the long-term back up to someone. Maybe that guy can bridge you to the next franchise guy in 2019ish.

 

Also, just kill me.

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37 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said:

 

Oh I blame them completely. Sure, bad luck as well, but there's no other explanation for two years of being the tops in IR. There has to be accountability for these guys having their bodies prepared, stretched, etc. I just don't see this type of stuff with other teams nearly as much. And when our guys go out with a toe injury, they seem to be out for half a season. Something doesn't add up.

Ask every team and they'll say the same. Atlanta was without their entire secondary for a while and have guys like Freeman always hurt. San Fran, philly secondary... it happens to everyone. Also, Turf Toe is a really hard injury to play through. Just ask AJ Green.

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Right now, I think we go into limbo for the remainder of 2018 and 19. If Smith can come back and is a go then I think we'll be a borderline playoff team. If not, I hope we let it fall apart so we can try to get best rookie QB prospect we can. The albatross of Smith's contract will pretty make getting another "good" QB all but impossible.

 

Funny, my best case scenario may be us tanking 2019 and trying to go 2-14.

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35 minutes ago, Burgold said:

Right now, I think we go into limbo for the remainder of 2018 and 19. If Smith can come back and is a go then I think we'll be a borderline playoff team. If not, I hope we let it fall apart so we can try to get best rookie QB prospect we can. The albatross of Smith's contract will pretty make getting another "good" QB all but impossible.

 

Funny, my best case scenario may be us tanking 2019 and trying to go 2-14.

There is absolutely no way smith will be ready to go and even if he is, part of his game is running and scrambling and at best he'll be 50% of what he was. I wouldn't count on him for at least half of the year.

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After watching this dumpster fire of an offense the last three weeks and knowing we brought bad press upon ourselves with the claiming of foster why not give Kaepernick a workout?

Honestly we're already at the very very bottom of the barrel, what the hell do we have to lose?

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There is an immediate need to a QB off the practice squads or the street as for the draft, that is not until April and we should know more about Smith by then.  Some of you, perhaps many of you, have written off Smith I think that is premature he may be able to play next year.  In any case, I don't accept it as a given they have to draft a QB in 2019.  

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1 hour ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Actually, i could honestly see it play out like this:

 

us: beat giants 

Philly: beats Dallas 

 

-Philly gets the rams after that. Ouchūüėā¬†

-Dallas gets the colts. Colts could win that

-we play the jaguars. 

 

Yes things look bad now, but if all 3 are tied at 7-6 after Sunday, i could see us back in 1st the weekend after. It wouldn’t take a Philly/Dallas collapse for that to happen

 

Whatever it is that you're on, you need to get off of it. It's warping your mind. ;)

 

1 hour ago, Burgold said:

Right now, I think we go into limbo for the remainder of 2018 and 19. If Smith can come back and is a go then I think we'll be a borderline playoff cellar dwelling team. If not, I hope we let it fall apart so we can try to get best rookie QB prospect we can. The albatross of Smith's contract will pretty make getting a another "good" QB all but impossible.

 

Funny, my best case scenario may be us tanking 2019 and trying to go 2-14.

 

Fixed that for you. :silly:

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As for Alex surprising us and coming back for camp or for the start to the season, I'd be stunned.  And no I am not a medical expert but as I've said on different threads, I am watching my kid recover from a milder version of the same broken bones and 8 months later he's not even cleared to play flag football.   Though granted everyone heals differently.  My guess is Alex at best is ready mid season -- on a personal basis I am rooting for the best for him -- as a Redskins fan I can care less if he comes back or not -- bad enough I thought he was without an injury to recover from but definitely not looking forward to a 35 year old who already plays tentatively IMO coming off of that injury.  

 

https://thefandc.radio.com/dan-snyder-still-furious-with-bruce-allen

People inside Redskins Park have quietly expressed concern that Alex Smith's recovery will take longer than initially expected, Chris Russell tells The Sports Junkies.

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25 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

https://thefandc.radio.com/dan-snyder-still-furious-with-bruce-allen

People inside Redskins Park have quietly expressed concern that Alex Smith's recovery will take longer than initially expected, Chris Russell tells The Sports Junkies.

You don't tug on Superman's cape

You don't spit into the wind

You don't tug the mask off the old Lone Ranger

and you DON'T trade with Andy Reid for a QB and then immediately extend said quarterback.

 

I actually think that Alex Smith was better for us than we thought. Maybe it was just his professonalism or toughness, but he made just enough plays with his arms, legs, and smarts to get us to 6-3. Non the less, given the injury that was not the Front Office's or Alex's fault... we have been twice burned by Andy Reid ex-QBs. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times???

 

If Andy Reid had any conscience, he would trade Fuller and Mahomes to us in 2019 for a 7th rounder and a return of Smith. I mean... Smith had to still be on warranty, right?

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Well you draft a quarterback in round one and then another in round 4. Start  the 1st rounder, keep 4th round until Alex is healthy, and make a decision on 1st rounder and Alex after that. 

 

Also, just ride out this year. 

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20 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

So, is Josh Johnson the best we can do?

 

 

 

Like I said in the game day thread that our next backup QB will be Josh Johnson. He might even become the starter over Sanchez. 

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43 minutes ago, Burgold said:

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I actually think that Alex Smith was better for us than we thought. Maybe it was just his professonalism or toughness, but he made just enough plays with his arms, legs, and smarts to get us to 6-3.

 

25th in the league in QBR when he stopped playing sounds about right to me.   He reminded me a lot of Brunell -- like Brunell he was a cool dude and respected and had moments when he was younger for a different team but the 34 year old version of the dude seemed to be a player on the decline and painful to watch when you compared him apples to apples to most starting QBs in the league. Like in Brunell's case, the Redskins had a really strong defense and run game with him being the weak point.  Maybe this year was just an adjustment year for Alex but like Brunell am not excited to find out if he can pick it up at 35 years old let alone doing so after a major injury.  

 

And he was 6-4 by the way not 6-3.  He was given the loss for his performance in the Texan game versus a pass as if he didn't play -- if you look up his W-L stat on pro reference you'd see that.  Going into the 3rd quarter with about a 25 QBR rating, 2 INTs and a 10 point deficit wasn't exactly him putting the team on course for a win.   They lost 2 out of the last three games he played and it could have easily been 3 in a row, considering they put up a measly 16 points against a wretched Tampa defense and probably even would have hit that mark if it wasn't for the defense handing them good field position.    

 

But as I said back then when Colt was in the wings -- the dynamic reminded me of the Rex-Beck dynamic (albeit with both Colt and Alex being better than Rex-Beck) where one extreme made people crave the other extreme.  If Colt ended up playing, Id bet it would have been a rodeo up and down with us craving the sugary food and the spicy with neither food been great and at the end of the season we'd know we need to do something else -- as Gibbs ultimately did by drafting Campbell and I presume this FO will do, too.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

No Welcome Josh Johnson thread yet, huh?

 

There is already a thread on this:

 

 

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1 minute ago, zskins said:

 

There is already a thread on this:

 

 

Damn I missed that.  I thought that was the thread I was in.  Too many similar threads in the Stadium.

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2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

No Welcome Josh Johnson thread yet, huh?

We haven't signed him yet. Our franchise has reached the pathetic state of having to "hope" we are able to sign Josh Johnson.

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4 hours ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

He'll be back for at least two more years. As long as he can pass a physical, he'll want those dollars.

 

Colt McCoy has to be done with this team. The backup's number one job is to remain upright, and he can't be trusted to go two games of contact without an injury.

 

I dunno. I think you draft someone in the third or fourth round next year and - at worst - groom him to be the long-term back up to someone. Maybe that guy can bridge you to the next franchise guy in 2019ish.

 

Also, just kill me.

 

Just to be clear - I agree with your post. The laugh icon was for the last statement. Thanks for the laugh. 

 

I like the idea of finding a capable backup in the draft next year. The problem is whoever is coaching will be temped to make them the starter. We risk getting into a cycle with an average to below average QB trying to make it work. Just suck at QB next yr and get your starter in 2020. 

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29 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

Just to be clear - I agree with your post. The laugh icon was for the last statement. Thanks for the laugh. 

 

I like the idea of finding a capable backup in the draft next year. The problem is whoever is coaching will be temped to make them the starter. We risk getting into a cycle with an average to below average QB trying to make it work. Just suck at QB next yr and get your starter in 2020. 

Unless we could get one of the interesting guys from last yea's draft. Kurt Benkert is on Atlanta's PS, Luke Falk was released and then ended up on Miami's bench. If you could get one of those guys cheaply, maybe you get him some PT next year and see if you come up with a potential young backup/trade chip going forward. Unfortunately, my favorite (Mike White) is in Dallas and no way they give him to us.

 

Perhaps go into next year with McCoy starting, a Sanchez type and a Falk type. I assume Smith starts on the PUP list.

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53 minutes ago, lavar1156 said:

Is Nate Sudfeld a free agent?

We made a mistake by letting Sudfeld available....the Eagles aren't that dumb.  Sudfeld will be a starter in this league when he gets a chance.

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5 hours ago, goskins10 said:

 

Need to stop blaming the staff. Injuries are injuries. The real problem is Bruce keeping guys that have an injury history. When you keep and sign guys with injuries, you have to know they will be injured. And some of them are just fluke injuries - for example anyone blaming anything but bad luck for the two broken legs needs some therapy. 

 

As for Bridgewater, for me anyone you bring in should be a one year rental. The team should be looking at the 2020 draft for their QB. There is no one in the draft this year that should really excite anyone. So I could care less who they bring in for next year. They should just be keeping the seat warm for the rookie they draft in 2020. 

 

 

 

 I give to you Malcolm Blacken, director of player development; um, we're not seeing anyone actually develop into anything good. He had 2 stints here prior, both were times this team was horrible.

Chad Englehart; another " Florida Tuskers" Gruden buddy hire.

Paul Kelly; another " Tampa connection". After Tampa got rid of him he went to work with ESPN with their broadcasting team. Great qualification there!

Kavan Latham; 2nd stint here. Before coming back he was with the Jets; now that's a winner!

Jake Sankal; ass't strength & conditioning & nutritionist.  his 3rd year here after being with the Cleveland INDIANS!  A baseball team! Oh, but prior, he worked with teams like the Mahoning Valley Scrappers,  Kinston Indians { guess he likes working with Indians }, Carolina Mudcats { no, not the SELSU Mud Dogs }, and last but not least the Akron RUBBERDUCKS! No, this isn't a typo.

 

Yes, my fellow Redskin friends, these are the guys who are keeping our players conditioned and healthy.

 

Sooo, can you please repeat that first line again, a little slower?

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