2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Skinsinparadise]

18 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

Doesn't matter how fast he is, if he's gotta be flushed out of the pocket to be effective then he'll be dead by week 2 not 3.

 

Maybe so.  I haven't put a lot of thought into it because until today I thought it was almost 100% he'd be playing baseball.  I think Alabama will be a good test for him, lot of pro level players on that defense -- be cool for me to see that in person soon.  Though I admit the player (hopefully he plays) am most looking forward to watching is Marquise Brown. 

[Skinsinparadise]

PFF, yeah I take them with a grain of salt on some of the QBs likely coming out

 

CLUSTER 1 (THE BEST CLUSTER):

This is the best group of quarterbacks in terms of PFF grade per snap, yards per attempt, air yards per attempt, the percentage of positively-graded throws and big-time throws. Interestingly, there are other clusters that limit negatively-graded throws more than this cluster, but as you can see, the extra risk generally comes with substantial rewards for this group.

 

Kyler Murray: Murray collected the Heisman Trophy this past weekend, capping off an incredible season where he was the most electric playmaker in college football. With the highest percentage of positively-graded throws among Cluster 1 quarterbacks, Murray consistently made plays downfield with a yards in air average of 10.7. He severely limited bad plays with the second-lowest percentage of turnover-worthy throws among this cluster of quarterbacks while also posting the lowest negative grade percentage. He was also exceptional with his legs, something that this clustering process doesn’t place emphasis on. When you comp as a more athletic version of Russell Wilson, it begs the question whether NFL talent evaluators will make the same mistake twice and not make him a high draft pick this offseason.==

 

Dwayne Haskins: A distant third choice for the Heisman, Haskins has been one of the most productive quarterbacks in the history of Ohio State football. He led all Big Ten quarterbacks in expected points added per dropback (0.32), and while his team was able to generate 1.13 passing yards for every one of his air yards, much of this dynamic can be attributed to the fact that over a quarter of his dropbacks have been positively-graded and over five percent were given a “big-time throw” designation. While he’s likely a bit overrated from a PFF perspective (he’s very much on the edge of this cluster, and could easily be in the second group) it remains to be seen how good of a pro prospect he’ll be, should he come out for the 2019 NFL Draft.

 

Will Grier: Outside of an early season clunker against Iowa State, Grier consistently elevated the play of those around him. If it wasn’t for his two costly fumbles, West Virginia could have upset Oklahoma and squashed any hope of a Big-12 title or playoff berth for the Sooners. In that alternate universe, Grier easily could have been the Heisman hopeful replacing Murray with his play in 2018. He posted the fourth-best big-time throw percentage among Cluster 1 quarterbacks. Unsurprisingly, it was his propensity for turnover-worthy throws that stuck out and in the end was his undoing.

 

 

 

Brett Rypien: After a sluggish early season start where the Broncos dropped games to Oklahoma State and San Diego State, Rypien emerged as one of the best quarterbacks in college football. His high-risk, high-reward play resulted in the third-highest percentage of turnover-worthy throws among this cluster. He was fifth in air yards per attempt but second to last in yards per attempt. Of Rypien’s 3,705 passing yards, only 35% came after the catch which was the 12th-lowest rate in the country. This is a big distinguisher between quarterbacks in the Cluster 1 vs. Cluster 2 conversation; how reliant were they on yards after the catch to generate production. Rypien was one of the best at maximizing offensive production through air yards in 2018 and did it at one of the lowest contested throw rates in the FBS.  

 

Ryan Finley: When talking about distinguishers between Cluster 1 quarterback play and those of other groupings, air yards, a lack of yards after the catch and the ability to elevate the play of pass-catchers continue to be highlighted. None of this is more apparent than in the 2018 season of Finley. Some may be surprised as to his inclusion in this cluster but Finley had the second-lowest percentage of yards after the catch per total yards of any quarterback in a Power-5 conference. Finley had the second-lowest percentage of negatively-graded throws among quarterbacks in Cluster 1, which shows his ability to not throw costly turnovers. Surprisingly, he had the fourth-highest percentage of contested throws at 21%, in the FBS. His big play ability was lower than most in this cluster but he thrived when delivering into tight windows, something that has to be done to be effective at the next level.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/college-qb-clustering-2018-december

 

 

 

 

[Going Commando]

That quarterback duel between Mahomes and Rivers was pornographic.

[Rufus T Firefly]

8 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

That quarterback duel between Mahomes and Rivers was pornographic.

[Skinsinparadise]

8 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

That quarterback duel between Mahomes and Rivers was pornographic.

 

The thought gets me jazzed for the upcoming Josh Johnson and Kessler dual

[dballer]

8 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

That quarterback duel between Mahomes and Rivers was pornographic.

 

Rivers has been so good for so long...Mahomes looks like he may be ready to surpass Rodgers for the gold standard of ability at the position...

 

 

[Going Commando]

If we could take Drew Lock and sit him as a rookie like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, that has to be our best play this year, right?  Haskins will probably be the first QB taken and end up out of our reach.  Lock is the guy who will be in our range.  And TBH, it feels like there is a cliff after him.

 

I can live with reaching for a QB like Lock if it means we can stabilize the position with a quality player.  QB is the one position for which you ignore BPA.  If you need a QB, then you have to go out and get one.

[TheYappingDog]

10 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

I can live with reaching for a QB like Lock if it means we can stabilize the position with a quality player.  QB is the one position for which you ignore BPA.  If you need a QB, then you have to go out and get one.

 

Pretty much this.

 

Just ask Cleveland and Giants fans

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

If we could take Drew Lock and sit him as a rookie like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, that has to be our best play this year, right?  Haskins will probably be the first QB taken and end up out of our reach.  Lock is the guy who will be in our range.  And TBH, it feels like there is a cliff after him.

 

I can live with reaching for a QB like Lock if it means we can stabilize the position with a quality player.  QB is the one position for which you ignore BPA.  If you need a QB, then you have to go out and get one.

 

Would do you think of Murray and Herbert?  

 

On Herbert, he looks the part, big dude, strong arm and can move.

 

Murray has a runner is Russell Wilson on steroids but looks like a midget in comparison to even him. 

 

If one or both enter, the QB dynamic gets more interesting.  Looks like the teams in the mix are us, Jax, Denver.  And maybe NY Giants and Miami.   If all of a sudden you got Haskins, Murray, Lock, Herbert all in the mix than there is more to go around so to speak.

 

Just reading up on twitter, the NY Giants sniffed hard around Herbert this college season and Denver around Lock.

 

 

 

 

[Going Commando]

Murray doesn't have an NFL body and I think he's going to play baseball anyway.

 

I've only casually watched Herbert this year, haven't evaluated him.  But just want to say that clip that Tyler Brooke tweeted is a run of the mill 10 yard curl on a three step drop that was open the entire way.  He threw it on time, nothing more.  It wasn't an example of him going off schedule to anticipate a window before it opened.

[Skinsinparadise]

29 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Murray doesn't have an NFL body and I think he's going to play baseball anyway.

 

I've only casually watched Herbert this year, haven't evaluated him.  But just want to say that clip that Tyler Brooke tweeted is a run of the mill 10 yard curl on a three step drop that was open the entire way.  He threw it on time, nothing more.  It wasn't an example of him going off schedule to anticipate a window before it opened.

 

I haven't watched a full game of Herbert, just highlights.  The hype about him is he's big, he has a strong arm and moves well for his size.  Better 2017 season than 2018 as to consistency and accuracy.  I notice plenty of draft geeks still think he'd be the #1 QB in this draft, some others think he's neck and neck with Haskins or Haskins is better.

 

 

 

[volsmet]

22 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Maybe so.  I haven't put a lot of thought into it because until today I thought it was almost 100% he'd be playing baseball.  I think Alabama will be a good test for him, lot of pro level players on that defense -- be cool for me to see that in person soon.  Though I admit the player (hopefully he plays) am most looking forward to watching is Marquise Brown. 

 

I have seen few who fall as hard as SIP, I’m going to have to watch some Hollywood Brown to see if I need to request a spot on the bandwagon. Incidentally, it’s probably been noted in part, but McShay has Brown & Devin Bush in round 1. I hadn’t seen either getting many mentions in that range, but it seems less likely that Washington could get either in 2 than it did a month ago. But, as these prospects rise, others obviously fall, if we can move down, I may be inclined to do so and add ourselves additional assets in the 2020 draft. 

 

I hope your love Brown is something you’re able to contain, I fear we will see SIP run on the field for a hug during the game, not that I’d be opposed, but you wouldn’t want Raekwon Davis to think you’re there to cause him harm, then we’d lose one of the finest draftsperts on the interwebs. On a loosely related note, it’s nice to see kids named after Wu Tang members, I look forward to seeing a big board with Old Dirty Sanchez, Ghost face Smith, RZA Jones, Meth Cooks, GZA Gurley, U-God Chryst, Inspectah Hines, & Masta Houshmandzadeh.

 

 

 

[Rufus T Firefly]

8 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

If we could take Drew Lock and sit him as a rookie like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, that has to be our best play this year, right?  Haskins will probably be the first QB taken and end up out of our reach.  Lock is the guy who will be in our range.  And TBH, it feels like there is a cliff after him.

 

I can live with reaching for a QB like Lock if it means we can stabilize the position with a quality player.  QB is the one position for which you ignore BPA.  If you need a QB, then you have to go out and get one.

I still far prefer accumulating draft capital for 2020 and treating this as a rebuilding year. But if we're looking QB this year, this is definitely the path I like. It really has to be a Mahomes development model, but it seems like it could work. And, even he didn't pan out, just using a mid-1st on a QB doesn't set us back years the way a trade up would.

 

Two potential problems, though:

 

1. I think it seems pretty certain Smith won't be playing at least at the beginning of next season. I can't imagine we can expect him to play before mid-season. And McCoy keeps getting hurt.So, we need to find the Mike Glennon to Lock's Trubisky. If it were me, I'd try to make a cheap trade for a guy like Luke Falk, sign a Fitzpatrick/McCown type, let the vet play, see if we can develop the youngster into a back-up/trade piece and roll from there. I wouldn't even rule out carrying 4 QBs in a rebuilding year.

 

2. If it's Allen and Gruden, my faith would be as close to zero as you can get that they would be able to sit a first round QB on the bench all year while the season melted away.

[Skinsinparadise]

3 hours ago, volsmet said:

 

I have seen few who fall as hard as SIP, I’m going to have to watch some Hollywood Brown to see if I need to request a spot on the bandwagon. Incidentally, it’s probably been noted in part, but McShay has Brown & Devin Bush in round 1. I hadn’t seen either getting many mentions in that range, but it seems less likely that Washington could get either in 2 than it did a month ago. But, as these prospects rise, others obviously fall, if we can move down, I may be inclined to do so and add ourselves additional assets in the 2020 draft. 

 

I hope your love Brown is something you’re able to contain, I fear we will see SIP run on the field for a hug during the game,

 

LOL, I am toying to doing just that at the Orange Bowl, I'll be wearing my running sneakers.   My Marquise Brown love was somewhat in the throes of seeing how check down dependent Alex Smith was.  In that context, I loved the idea of adding some speed and YAC to the roster.  I still do. 

 

But looking at the roster, I think we got bigger fish to fry now with QB seeming to loom large.  In addition, it looks like we can get a stud pass rusher or O lineman or MLB.   It's looking like a deep draft at WR so we might be able to nail one with one of our 3rd round picks. 

 

Fortunately, developing other man crushes.    I am trying to digest the Qbs, got ways to to go to land on a man crush position just yet but working on it.    

[HardcoreZorn]

QB at the very least intrigues me this year what I’ve read up on. Definitely no sure things but i don’t think it’s a locker ponder gabbert class either. I very much think we’ll be in the mix for a QB early and that will bring some excitement for next year at least. Agree that if the intent is to start fresh with a new qb let’s pair that qb with a regime that gets a little patience year 1, not a regime making short sighted decisions trying to cling onto their jobs.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

Breer's top 20 from talking to personnel guys/contacts

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/12/14/2019-nfl-draft-big-board-rankings-nick-bosa-justin-herbert

 

1. NICK BOSA, DE, OHIO STATE

Height: 6' 4" | Weight: 265 pounds
He was the best player in college football over the season’s first three weeks. And his core muscle injury hasn’t changed the way evaluators see his trajectory into the pros.

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2. QUINNEN WILLIAMS, DL, ALABAMA

Height: 6' 3" | Weight: 295 pounds
A great example of the Tide machine at work. Williams wasn’t even a starter last year, and now he faces a decision on whether to go pro or not. It really shouldn’t even be much of a decision, because he has played his way into the Top 5.

3. RASHAN GARY, DL, MICHIGAN

Height: 6' 4" | Weight: 280 pounds
Gary is still really raw, but the expectation that he could run around 4.6 at 280 pounds is enough to make NFL teams think that, with a little refinement, he could be a foundation piece on a really good defense for a long time to come.

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4. ED OLIVER, DT, HOUSTON

Height: 6' 2" | Weight: 290 pounds
Will he come in at 280 pounds? How will he interview? Coming into 2018, Oliver looked like a sure thing to go atop the draft, maybe even in front of Bosa. But as scouts have taken a closer look, questions have arisen, as has a feeling that Oliver’s not for everyone.

5. DEVIN WHITE, STACK LB, LSU

Height: 6' 0" | Weight: 240 pounds
He’s not as instinctive as Roquan Smith and may not be quite the college player Smith was, but his athletic traits are superior to Smith’s, which is really saying something. And that’s why White is seen as a potential Pro Bowler as a middle linebacker.

 

6. JEFFREY SIMMONS, DT, MISSISSIPPI STATE

Height: 6' 3" | Weight: 300 pounds
Simmons’s assault of a woman when he was in high school was caught on video, and will be a big part of his story in the spring. The other side of it? The staff in Starkville swears by him, and he has become an elite player.

7. JOSH ALLEN, OLB/DE, KENTUCKY

Height: 6' 4" | Weight: 255 pounds
He’s a good example of a kid who benefitted big-time from staying in school. Allen has grown into the kind of linebacker who can play both on and off the line of scrimmage and (like Tremaine Edmunds last year); teams will have to figure out just what he is as a pro.

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8. GREEDY WILLIAMS, CB, LSU

Height: 6' 3" | Weight: 185 pounds
Williams is tall and talented, which would make him a fit for Seattle-style defenses. But he’s also not the most physical corner; there will probably be varying opinions here.

9. JUSTIN HERBERT, QB, OREGON

Height: 6' 5" | Weight: 230 pounds
Will he stay? Will he go? I tend to think the fact that it may be easier to be the first quarterback taken this year than it will be next year could affect his decision, and drive him to go pro. For right now, Ohio State’s Dwayne Haskins would be chasing Herbert, if both come out.

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10. CLELIN FERRELL, DE, CLEMSON

Height: 6' 4" | Weight: 265 pounds
He’s not outrageously talented, but he has good enough physical traits. Ferrell is just a really good player with great instincts as a pass rusher.

11. DEANDRE BAKER, CB, GEORGIA

Height: 5' 11" | Weight: 185 pounds
Like Greedy, Baker is not for everyone, but for different reasons. He’s tough, and savvy, and a ballhawk who will likely be ready to play right away. The drawback? He’s short.

12. CHRISTIAN WILKINS, DT, CLEMSON

Height: 6' 3" | Weight: 315 pounds
Wilkins is an athletic freak who some evaluators believe could actually pitch in on offense, too (he plays some goal-line tailback—not fullback, tailback). Most of the questions on him surround how he plays the run. But he can certainly wreak havoc in the passing game.

13. JONAH WILLIAMS, OT, ALABAMA

Height: 6' 5" | Weight: 300 pounds
There’s a legit question of what position he’ll play in the pros, with a bunch answers on the table—he’s a college left tackle who might project to right tackle or inside. Whether Williams can man the left side or not, there’ll be a place for him in the league.

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14. DERRICK BROWN, DT, AUBURN

Height: 6' 4" | Weight: 325 pounds
Another big run-stuffing type that has the athletic potential to become more than that.

15. RAEKWON DAVIS, DL, ALABAMA

Height: 6' 6" | Weight: 315 pounds
Where Quinnen Williams is the man creating the havoc inside, Davis is the probably more experienced and complete player, stout against the run and capable of disruption as a rusher. His ceiling may not be as high, but he should be a very solid pro.

 

16. DRE’MONT JONES, DT, OHIO STATE

Height: 6' 2" | Weight: 290 pounds
A classic 3-technique with a ton of upside, Jones plays his tail off and has his best football ahead of him. He should evolve into a disruptive force on someone’s defensive line pretty quickly.

17. DEXTER LAWRENCE, DT, CLEMSON

Height: 6' 3" | Weight: 350 pounds
Lawrence is probably the best run defender in the draft, and an absolute mountain of a man. So why is he so far down the list, despite being on the national radar since his true freshman season? The feeling is that might be all he is—and, as such, maybe a two-down player.

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18. GREG LITTLE, OT, OLE MISS

Height: 6' 6" | Weight: 320 pounds
A five-star recruit coming out of high school, Little is a giant who looks like he was put on earth to play left tackle. His tape, to those high expectations, is more up and down than scouts would like. But the supply/demand dynamic for linemen in the NFL will help Little big-time.

19. DEVIN BUSH, STACK LB, MICHIGAN

Height: 5' 11" | Weight: 230 pounds
Bush’s performance, motor, leadership, athleticism … none of that is questioned. If he was bigger, we might be putting him in the same category as Devin White, as a three-down linebacker. As it is, he’s listed at 5' 11" and 230 pounds, and the suspicion is he’s smaller than that.

20. NOAH FANT, TE, IOWA

Height: 6' 5" | Weight: 240 pounds
Fant’s talent is hard to deny, and as a receiver it really is all there. If it was just about that, he’d be a slam-dunk first-round pick. But he clashed some with coaches, and hasn’t always been the most enthusiastic blocker.

[Going Commando]

Justin Herbert, QB, Oregon, Jr - 6.15

 

Strengths

- Very tall for the position.  No trouble seeing over the line.  Should be able to add a lot of bulk to his frame.
- Very big arm.  Big time velocity on throws outside the numbers.
- Easy release.  Capable of throwing with velocity from any platform.  Capable of varying his release points as needed.
- Exceptional athlete at the position.  Big time scrambling threat.
- Feet are very clean and agile for his height.  Doesn't need a lot of room to operate in the pocket despite being so tall.  Good at resetting his platform after pocket movement.
- Throws with good touch on his deep ball.  Nice touch on seam throws.
- Exceptional at throwing on the move.  Rare ability to roll left and throw deep strikes across his body.
- Dangerous pump faker
- Doesn't panic in the face of pressure.
- Pretty good in the timing based passing game.  Footwork is steady on drops from the pistol.  
- Does pretty good job taking care of the ball.

 

Weaknesses

- Accuracy was an issue.  Ball placement is inconsistent on throws to every part of the field.  Too many throws get away from him, even when delivered on time and from a clean pocket.  50/50 throwing the 9 route.
- Leaves way too many YAC on the field with poor placement.
- Inconsistent with his touch in the short game.  Doesn't throw a super catchable ball here.
- Release is on the low side for his height.
- Field vision is still limited.  Locks onto his first reads and too often tries to force the hi route instead of taking what the defense is giving him.
- Misses open second and third options more than you like.
- Issues with placement and vision make moving the chains feel like work.  Not an effortless and instinctive passer despite how gifted he is.
- Great on scrambles, but not a threat on designed runs.  Not a shifty or busrty guy.  Not very good in the zone read game.
- All of that experience in the pistol isn't going to translate to the NFL.  He'll be playing from shotgun and behind center instead.

- Somewhat lanky build.  Has had some injury issues at Oregon, including a broken collarbone in 2017.

 

He's a first rounder if he declares for this draft.  I think he's more talented than Drew Lock but less polished, a good deal less accurate and consistent with his placement, and less comfortable and instinctive playing from the pocket.  Definitely a better athlete than Lock and better at throwing on the run.  Better at keeping calm and managing protection breakdowns.  Similar arm talent but Lock has a more compact motion and faster release.  

 

You have to wonder if Herbert's athleticism can be developed to be a bigger weapon in the NFL.  He didn't demonstrate much comfort on designed runs in the cut ups I saw.  But he's got quick feet and is a fairly dangerous open field runner and he consistently demonstrated the ability to get to the sticks on second/third and longs when his first two options were covered.  Might be some upside here.

 

The accuracy and decision making issues are his biggest flaws by far.  Low completion percentage reflects them.  They are legitimately troubling.  He'll throw a double covered high option when the open option can get him some steady yardage and get the offense in a rhythm.  He'll miss a lot of throws outside the numbers.  He'll throw worm burners on shallow crosses that give the defense a chance to close.  These problems are what keeps Herbert from being an elite prospect.

 

He reminds me of Colin Kaepernick and Josh Allen.  He's not as fast as Kaepernick, nor as instinctive a runner.  But there are a lot of similarities between them as athletes and throwers.  Similar background coming from a pistol offense.  Herbert is much more of a traditional pocket passer though.  As for Josh Allen, his arm isn't as strong as Allen's, but it's not far off.  And he's a much more consistent passer than Allen was.  Demonstrates far more consistent footwork and steadiness in the pocket and is better at managing pressure than Allen was.

 

He's a good prospect but he needs more time to sit and develop than Drew Lock does.  And he has got to get better at placing his passes or else he's going to struggle to move the ball in the NFL.

[skinny21]

This turned into a long post... sorry.  

 

Operating on the assumption the FO/staff remains roughly the same, they seem to target the positions they need.  

 

On the bright side, they also appear willing to trade back for more picks, so they could move back to try to satisfy BPA and need.  Anyway, with that in mind, I wanted to look at what the team might believe our top needs are.  I’m guessing we’ll hear more before the draft about team needs (hello Doug), 

 

Qb - no brainer given the injuries, money tied up in Smith and the word that they’re looking.  Factor in the need to jumpstart fan excitement and I have to assume we’re taking one in the first.  Allen may be leery of having to trade too much to move up, given his fingerprints on the RGIII trade, so I’m guessing they take the best available with their first pick or move up slightly.  There’s always a chance they go a different direction if there isn’t a guy they really like available  (could help having Gruden in place for this reason - qb evaluation).  If there isn’t one they like, they could go corner or ILB, but I’d guess guard or receiver (see below).  

 

Guard/receiver - I expect a guard in the 2nd (if they don’t bypass qb in the first and opt for a guard there).  You could make the argument for corner or ILB in the 2nd (or first, depending on qb), but I think the real ‘threat’ to not taking a guard is receiver.  They need to generate excitement, so a playmaker fits.  We also have chain movers - Harris, Doctson, Quinn and our TEs - so a dynamic (or at least speedy) threat makes sense, particularly given our qb situation and Gruden’s talk of stretching the field and chunk plays.  On the flip side, shoring up the interior is a necessity for protecting the qb and the ability to run the ball, so I could see them making the more ‘sensible’ pick here.  

 

We have a lot of youth/potential at corner, but it was a glaring issue this year. I don’t think it went without notice that Gray had a very good unit last year when he had the talent to work with.  Manusky also values corners, so adding a guy into the mix fits.  I doubt he overrides Gruden/Allen/Williams though, so I’d expect one in the 3rd or 4th.  

 

ILB/S - two spots the team had some issues with and where we saw replacement due to performance rather than injury.  Apke should return, so maybe a safety late and a mid round ILB to compete with SDH and Foster? 

 

TE/RB - Despite Reed’s injuries and Davis’ age... I think the team might look to just keep riding them (against fan wishes).  While the smart play is probably to take an early (again, given the above issues and our qb situation) to mid round TE, I think they leave it to the 5th or later.  I guess the 5th is technically a mid round pick...  

RB - I could see a flyer because again, I think the team chooses to retain the oft-injured Thompson, and they like Bibbs, but maybe they bring in a guy late to compete with Perine (don’t get the feeling they love him).  

 

DL - realizing Ioannidis in his last year, maybe they grab another late.  Can see the same for OLB, though I think they’ll prioritize this a bit higher.  

 

Bottom line, I don’t know that they make the tough decisions - cutting/trading Reed and Norman (and drafting a TE and/or corner fairly early to replace them), bringing in a starting caliber tackle to compete with Moses, a top pick at OLB or a back to replace Thompson.  I think they’ll look at adding a starting guard, a top qb, an exciting receiver, and the rest will be depth/competition.  If I had to guess, they’ll improve the team overall, add even more drama to the qb spot, and roll with many of the same oft-injured guys.  At least I expect them to continue adding to the trenches, which is a good thing.  

[Going Commando]

Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State, RS SO - 7.0

 

Strengths

- Effortless chain mover
- Mechanics are picturesque
- Good hands to handle a ton of crappy snaps and keeps the ball high for very rapid release
- Easy motion and throws from a high slot
- Can make rushed throws from different slots
- Arm strength to stick throws outside the numbers
- Lively arm to put pressure on safeties over the middle and exploit very narrow windows in bracket coverages
- Good feel for dropping bucket throws into the seams before the hole and route develop.  Anticipates the openings
- Coordinated feet.  Consistently throws from a solid base.  Shows advanced footwork from the shotgun
- Ran a shotgun spread offense with a diversity of looks/concepts
- Sees the whole field
- Good feel for where the rush is coming from
- Solid frame with good height
- Throws with exceptionally good ball placement from the pocket.  Rarely misses throws. Puts it on the money to maximize YAC
- Great touch on short and intermediate throws.  Adjusts velocity as necessary
- Tough.  Stands tall in the pocket and takes the hit to stick the throw
- Decisive.  Doesn't hold the ball.  Doesn't panic in the face of pressure.
- Stays on time in the rhythm game.  Willing to release before the end of the stem
- Leads his backs and receivers to water and doesn't get them killed with poor timing/placement/deicision making
- Capable of backfooting accurate throws with arm talent
- Solid touch on his deep ball
- Does a fair job looking off throws and using head movement to disguise reads
- Reputation for making smart presnap adjustments

- Has an aura of confidence and leadership similar to DeShaun and Baker

 

Weaknesses

 

- Mediocre athlete.  Bit of a statue.  Needs to do a better job with lateral movement in the pocket when he can't climb
- Not a threat on scrambles or designed runs.  Not a lot of escape-ability
- Accuracy and arm strength fall off when throwing on the run.  Sprint outs and boots are his weakest plays
- Plays hero ball.  Forces throws into good coverage.  Didn't turn it over much, but put the ball in play for defenders
- Still needs work on the timing and placement of his deep ball.  Too many underthrows instead of placing it into a window for his WR to fight for it
- Decision making against cover 1 and 3 and inside blitzes is still developing
- Didn't face much adversity this year.  Pass catchers and OL were talented.  Wish I got to see how he performed when things were going wrong around him more often

 

Making a list of his weaknesses feels like nitpicking.  He is an exceptionally confident and advanced passer for a RS Sophomore.  Him and Oliver are the two best prospects I've seen for this year.  Head and shoulders the best QB in the class and he's probably going to go number one overall.  We're not going to have a chance at him without losing out and moving up.  He's an exciting and rare QB prospect and I think he is cleaner than Baker was and way better than Darnold.  He has Pro bowl potential.

[Cooleyfan1993]

When’s jalen hurts supposed to be in the draft? This one or the next one? Would he be a good option at QB?

[Anselmheifer]

Hell. The Skins can't even lose properly. We needed to lose this game. 

[Cooleyfan1993]

6 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

Hell. The Skins can't even lose properly. We needed to lose this game. 

The fans wanted them to lose. I doubt the team went into the game saying “man.....we NEED to lose today” while they’re still MATHEMATICALLY alive.

[Conn]

15 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

The fans wanted them to lose. I doubt the team went into the game saying “man.....we NEED to lose today” while they’re still MATHEMATICALLY alive.

 

Obviously. 

[Going Commando]

5 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

Hell. The Skins can't even lose properly. We needed to lose this game. 

 

Very real possibility that we win the Eagles game too.  These wins will end up being costly.  We've played our way out of Haskins range.  There is a substantial drop off in quality after him.  If Herbert goes back to school, then Lock will be our only other option in the first round and even he might go higher than we pick.  Our current draft slot is 17 and there are four or five QB needy teams in front of us depending on how Oakland feels about Carr.

 

We're screwed for next year if Alex Smith doesn't come back.

[pcbothwel]

On 12/16/2018 at 4:11 AM, stevemcqueen1 said:

Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State, RS SO - 7.0

 

Strengths

- Effortless chain mover
- Mechanics are picturesque
- Good hands to handle a ton of crappy snaps and keeps the ball high for very rapid release
- Easy motion and throws from a high slot
- Can make rushed throws from different slots
- Arm strength to stick throws outside the numbers
- Lively arm to put pressure on safeties over the middle and exploit very narrow windows in bracket coverages
- Good feel for dropping bucket throws into the seams before the hole and route develop.  Anticipates the openings
- Coordinated feet.  Consistently throws from a solid base.  Shows advanced footwork from the shotgun
- Ran a shotgun spread offense with a diversity of looks/concepts
- Sees the whole field
- Good feel for where the rush is coming from
- Solid frame with good height
- Throws with exceptionally good ball placement from the pocket.  Rarely misses throws. Puts it on the money to maximize YAC
- Great touch on short and intermediate throws.  Adjusts velocity as necessary
- Tough.  Stands tall in the pocket and takes the hit to stick the throw
- Decisive.  Doesn't hold the ball.  Doesn't panic in the face of pressure.
- Stays on time in the rhythm game.  Willing to release before the end of the stem
- Leads his backs and receivers to water and doesn't get them killed with poor timing/placement/deicision making
- Capable of backfooting accurate throws with arm talent
- Solid touch on his deep ball
- Does a fair job looking off throws and using head movement to disguise reads
- Reputation for making smart presnap adjustments

- Has an aura of confidence and leadership similar to DeShaun and Baker

 

Weaknesses

 

- Mediocre athlete.  Bit of a statue.  Needs to do a better job with lateral movement in the pocket when he can't climb
- Not a threat on scrambles or designed runs.  Not a lot of escape-ability
- Accuracy and arm strength fall off when throwing on the run.  Sprint outs and boots are his weakest plays
- Plays hero ball.  Forces throws into good coverage.  Didn't turn it over much, but put the ball in play for defenders
- Still needs work on the timing and placement of his deep ball.  Too many underthrows instead of placing it into a window for his WR to fight for it
- Decision making against cover 1 and 3 and inside blitzes is still developing
- Didn't face much adversity this year.  Pass catchers and OL were talented.  Wish I got to see how he performed when things were going wrong around him more often

 

Making a list of his weaknesses feels like nitpicking.  He is an exceptionally confident and advanced passer for a RS Sophomore.  Him and Oliver are the two best prospects I've seen for this year.  Head and shoulders the best QB in the class and he's probably going to go number one overall.  We're not going to have a chance at him without losing out and moving up.  He's an exciting and rare QB prospect and I think he is cleaner than Baker was and way better than Darnold.  He has Pro bowl potential.

 

Thank You.

I have Haskins far and away my number 1 QB and am baffled how folks think Herbert is better.

 

Haskins

Murray

....

Grier / Lock

Herbert

....

Thorson / Finley