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6 hours ago, JSSkinz said:

This kid has unreal size for a WR

 

 
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that IS not real...has to be shopped...right?

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JP has a good point on his podcast: if the Redskins don’t go nuclear, they’re going to have Smith on the roster in 2019 at $20m.  You’d think they’d at least like to see what they have on him in 2020 given the cost...  That’s harder with a first rounder on the roster.

 

I think it’s the Colt McCoy show and a 5th or 6th round guy this year until they figure out what Alex’s 2020 status is.

 

Them they can spend their top 5 pick next year on a QB after McCoy gets hurt and they realize Josh Johnson actually can’t really play.  

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11 hours ago, Darth Tater said:

For the tank crowd who also think a bit conspiratorially, a hypothetical:

 

Last game of the season and we are playing the Cowboys who must win to get in.  If we lose, we get the first pick of the draft. Who wins?

 

Ill run on to the field and tackle colt mccoy at the 1 with time expiring.

10 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

 

For this draft, if they pick a QB it should be a later round project or maybe a player overlooked that they can stash away and develop quietly for the time being. 

 

Won’t we have needs in the later rounds? 

8 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

"Josh is a smart guy, he's been around and he's seen what happens year in and year out," Bidwill said, via the Cardinals' official team website. "There's always a lot of speculation that turns out to not be true. But moving forward, we're going to continue to build this team and build around the foundation that we have."

Bidwill joked that speculation about the Cardinalsmaking a move for Murray is "good for the talk radio industry," but underscored that the team is focused on Kingsbury helping improve Rosen from a struggle-filled rookie campaign.

"Of all the coaches, he was the only one to say, 'Bring the tape, we're going to break down the tape,'" Bidwill said.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001017662/article/cardinals-dismiss-kingsburykyler-murray-speculation

 

 

 

 

 

Not gonna be there, this guy reads the forum. 

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14 minutes ago, volsmet said:

 

Not gonna be there, this guy reads the forum. 

 

Yeah agree he's not going to be there.  The Murray talk is fun to me but likely a pipe dream.

 

My guess is they might take Jones (hope not) if he falls to 15 (doubt Lock or Murray or Haskins falls that far) otherwise they will look later rounds.  

 

I am still on the train that I hope they don't take a QB in the first or 2nd unless they can get one they love at 15 or from a minor trade up.    But if they insist on doing something then do it right and aim high.    I think its even worse to place your bets on a QB who ends up struggling even if you get him cheap as for draft capital.

 

I think the wild card here is I believe they are about to chase some season ticket renewals and if that's a struggle -- i wonder if Dan gets the itch to push some excitement.  That to me is the one shot to get Murray.   I personally wouldn't give up the moon for Murray.  But on the off chance he dropped to 9 and they'd only lose a 2nd rounder, I'd do it.   

 

But yeah with Dan doubling down by bringing back Bruce.  And I read today its not going totally hot with pursuing the new stadium.  There is no major buzz for next season.  So, I wonder how antsy Dan gets?    Murray would solve some of Dan's problems at least temporarily. 

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2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah agree he's not going to be there.  The Murray talk is fun to me but likely a pipe dream.

 

 

Murray will almost certainly be gone by 5, probably 2. Jones will be there for us in a trade up to 3. I get why people enjoy the draft guys, but the consistent stream of people saying Murray was going to be there for Miami or later need better sources. I’ve only seen a few seconds of him, he’s a waste of time for me in terms of talking Washington, he’s less likely to be there than Bosa. We’d be in the running if we weren’t run by goobers, but, as is, we are looking at Thorson. Charlie & Walter used to mock Thorson in round 1 consistently, he’s actually interesting. I’d rather draft @skinny21 than Grier, if we draft him I’ll be mad enough to mail you Daniel Jones gear every day for the rest of my life. 

 

Any of the draft guys who have Grier in their top 97,000 prospects should be quarantined. I was trying to watch the WVU Oline v VT & I became nauseated by how bad Grier is & the fact that we may draft him on purpose. I’d say the same about Minnshew but @stevemcqueen1 scares me more than skinny. 

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Just highlights but it displays some of what Thorson offers.

 

Right now my QBs would rank:

Murray

Lock

Haskins

Jones/Thorson

Rypien

Jansen

Jackson

 

Right now, I wouldn’t draft anyone else in any round, I haven’t looked much at Stidham because I’ve seen him scared so often, I’ll need to see if that initial perception is warranted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, volsmet said:

Just highlights but it displays some of what Thorson offers.

 

Right now my QBs would rank:

Murray

Lock

Haskins

Jones/Thorson

Rypien

Jansen

Jackson

 

Right now, I wouldn’t draft anyone else in any round, I haven’t looked much at Stidham because I’ve seen him scared so often, I’ll need to see if that initial perception is warranted.

 

So out of curiosity what do you not like about Finley...and who is Jansen?

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5 hours ago, volsmet said:

 

Any of the draft guys who have Grier in their top 97,000 prospects should be quarantined. I was trying to watch the WVU Oline v VT & I became nauseated by how bad Grier is & the fact that we may draft him on purpose. I’d say the same about Minnshew but @stevemcqueen1 scares me more than skinny. 

Wait...You mean this game? https://www.roanoke.com/hokies/sports/football/impressive-west-virginia-debut-for-will-grier-in-loss-to/article_ec44650d-47d9-5b34-9d67-d6cd965608a0.html  Nauseatingly bad in his first game ever as a Mountaineer? Where he threw for 371 yards 3TDs and 1 int??

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Try the Texas game from this year @volsmet.  Even if Grier makes you nauseous, at least there’s plenty of excitement, crazy officiating (including a WTH? ejection), and last minute heroics. 😁

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11 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

JP has a good point on his podcast: if the Redskins don’t go nuclear, they’re going to have Smith on the roster in 2019 at $20m.  You’d think they’d at least like to see what they have on him in 2020 given the cost...  That’s harder with a first rounder on the roster.

 

I think it’s the Colt McCoy show and a 5th or 6th round guy this year until they figure out what Alex’s 2020 status is.

 

Them they can spend their top 5 pick next year on a QB after McCoy gets hurt and they realize Josh Johnson actually can’t really play.  

I can see the logic to this (not that I necessarily agree with it), but taking a stance of “let’s see what the next two years bring”, especially considering fan apathy, seems... surprising on their part.  

 

Of course, maybe they look at it as a chance to improve the rest of the roster and taking a developmental qb they really like (Rypien, etc.) who has a chance to show something the next year or 2.  Or they get a feel for Smith’s progress before considering a top qb next year.  So I don’t hate the idea, as long as they’re open to a 1st rounder in 2020.  Honestly, even if Smith is healed, we should probably be taking a qb next year, especially if we’re picking early.  

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16 hours ago, Stefanskins said:

that IS not real...has to be shopped...right?

Definitely real, I'm curious why he's trying to get so big, almost as if he wants to be a bodybuilder.

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13 hours ago, volsmet said:

 

Not gonna be there, this guy reads the forum. 

Frankly it wouldn't surprise me if he is there at 15 - it wouldn't surprise me if he went at 1 or 32 at this point for that matter. Just don't have a feel yet for how Murray is perceived.

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36 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

Breathing easier now that Flacco is off the board.

Doesn't stop them from drafting a QB in the 1st round this year to develop.  Hopefully, they don't.

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1 minute ago, RWJ said:

Doesn't stop them from drafting a QB in the 1st round this year to develop.  Hopefully, they don't.

Keeps BA from trading for Flacco.

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58 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

Definitely real, I'm curious why he's trying to get so big, almost as if he wants to be a bodybuilder.

 

Was it David Boston who washed out of the NFL because he spent all his time body building instead of focusing on getting better as a WR?

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23 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

QB is our biggest need, by far.

 

Yep.  But every time it's been the greatest need the Skins have made moves that made the team worse, e.g., Donovan McNabb trade, RG3 trade.  Even trading for Rex Grossman before he was going to be cut was a foolish move.  We didn't get to see enough of Smith to determine whether the trade (especially of Fuller) was worth it.

 

I'm 100% in the no-trade-up camp.  

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I don't post much here any more, and probably for good reason. ha. 

 

but for the future of the NFL draft, what would you think of flipping the draft order in certain rounds to help dissuade teams from completely tanking or somewhat rewarding teams for trying and having good seasons.

 

Possible scenarios:

 

Option 1

Round 1

Worst - Best

 

Round 2

Best - Worst

 

Rounds 3 - 7
Worst - Best

this would reward the better teams in the 2nd round by giving them a higher pick and penalizing the tank/bad teams with a lower pick.

 

 

if having 2nd is too much of difference maker, then maybe

 

Option 2

 

Rounds 1 & 2
Worst - Best
 

Rounds 3 & 4
Best - Worst

 

Rounds 5 - 7

Worst - Best

 

of course these changes would really only affect the best and worst teams, the middle of the road teams would be less affected.

 

Not sure if this thread was best to share my lame idea, but I didn't want to create a thread for this. And I am bored today.

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6 hours ago, dballer said:

 

So out of curiosity what do you not like about Finley...and who is Jansen?

 

I watched a decent bit of Finley last year when many assumed he’d enter, I see him as a guy who, at best, can keep an offense on schedule, in the preseason. He’s a waste of a pick to me, unless something significant changed, which is unlikely. NCST probably has the best Oline coach in college football, the way they work together is football porn, Finley is just the guy who had the opportunity to benefit from it. 

 

Jansen is from Ark St, raw, but blessed. If I’m taking a late QB, it’s going to be a lottery ticket, not a hopeful backup, actual backups can be had without the pick. You see worthless Western Kentucky QBs drafted every year while incredibly gifted talents are available at every position. 

 

Scouts spend every hour of their lives trying to find the next potential stud QB, if he’s got more than a 5% chance to make a football team better, he’s gone by round 2. Maybe you get Dak, behind the best Oline. Still, what would you trade for the opportunity to make Dak a top 5 paid QB. Dallas will, and it will be the best thing to happen to Washington since Dave Butz was putting ladies in the seats. Incidentally, when I was 5, I sent Dave Butz his own football card as a Christmas present.

 

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41 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

 

Was it David Boston who washed out of the NFL because he spent all his time body building instead of focusing on getting better as a WR?

I believe ankle injuries were his major issue.  

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6 hours ago, bowhunter said:

 

Yes. Stats mean slightly less to me than most cryptocurrencies. 

 

Perhaps a decent case study, we can break that pig of a game down. 

2 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

Impact on the draft as Denver gets Flacco.

 

Squat, imo.

5 hours ago, skinny21 said:

Try the Texas game from this year @volsmet.  Even if Grier makes you nauseous, at least there’s plenty of excitement, crazy officiating (including a WTH? ejection), and last minute heroics. 😁

 

That, I shall. 

 

I’m entirely in on being proven wrong. 

1 hour ago, JSSkinz said:

Definitely real, I'm curious why he's trying to get so big, almost as if he wants to be a bodybuilder.

 

David Boston syndrome.

1 hour ago, HigSkin said:

FWIW...

 

 

 

Break the news, Rap. 

48 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

 

Was it David Boston who washed out of the NFL because he spent all his time body building instead of focusing on getting better as a WR?

 

Being a psychopath didn’t augmented his abilities on the field. 

43 minutes ago, PlayAction said:

 

Yep.  But every time it's been the greatest need the Skins have made moves that made the team worse, e.g., Donovan McNabb trade, RG3 trade.  Even trading for Rex Grossman before he was going to be cut was a foolish move.  We didn't get to see enough of Smith to determine whether the trade (especially of Fuller) was worth it.

 

I'm 100% in the no-trade-up camp.  

 

Tough to fix stupid, a helpless position for fans. 

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28 minutes ago, slinky said:

I don't post much here any more, and probably for good reason. ha. 

 

 

I reject that notion entirely. I hope you reconsider, the more opinions, the more to consider, the more to interact with, the better. 

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