Kilmer17 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I think she's going to turn heel at the end, say it's a no and give McConnel a stunner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 yup, but whatever else one might say about her performance here, i'd say it's a yuge gift to her fellow gopers---way more way way more than juts a yes and some timid explanation...so far she's given--again, however you dissect it---the best positive summary/defense/presentation for pro-kav forces anyone has to date, and one no old goper figurehead could do even if they could find the words 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) Â We'll see how well her excuses fare in 2020. When Kavanaugh has done exactly the opposite of who she is describing. Edited October 5, 2018 by The Evil Genius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited)       Lol ok.  Sure.  She’s either impossibly niave or just a horrible dishonest person.   Edited October 5, 2018 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) Â Â Â Edited October 5, 2018 by The Evil Genius 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Her speech sounds like it was written by Lindsey Graham. She was either completely full of ****Â the whole time wrt being "on the fence" or she got some big time pork concessions and/or big time threats earlier on from McConnell et al. She's gonna get scorched in 2020. Good riddance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Garfield has one last chance to prove that he doesn’t like lasagna.  I did laugh out loud at this one, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 She's completely eviscerating Ford's claims. This is brutal. And unnecesary really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 So is Collins going to say that Dr. Ford lied? Waiting for the GOP to hit her with perjury charges.... So is Collins going to say that Dr. Ford lied? Waiting for the GOP to hit her with perjury charges.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 This might as well be her "I won't be seeking reelection after this term" speech. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ugh. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gibber Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: She's completely eviscerating Ford's claims. This is brutal. And unnecesary really. No kidding. This is a disgrace and just band standing. Wrap it up Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: She's completely eviscerating Ford's claims. This is brutal. And unnecesary really.   I've been willing to give it a temp "A"  as I've listened and regard it as principled and sincere and even 'right-on' per her arguments--assuming her facts are facts as given and coming from the goper pov, of course---but she's so heavy into this 'yes' that i'm starting to smell self-interest more than genuine concern and honesty, but i think that's my current cynicism level...also hearing how she huddled with pence and mitch and others for two hours just before this doesn't lessen it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Jumbo said:   I've been willing to give it a temp "A"  as I've listened and regard it as principled and sincere and even 'right-on' per her arguments--assuming her facts are facts as given and coming from the goper pov, of course---but she's so heavy into this 'yes' that i'm starting to smell self-interest more than genuine concern and honesty, but i think that's my current cynicism level...also hearing how she huddled with pence and mitch and others just before this doesn't lessen it  I'm impressed that she found time to take a shower between that meeting and her speech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 So does Manchin immediately follow her "yes" announcement, which cinches this? If so, does he also go "yes" to make a Pence tiebreaker unnecessary, or does he go "no" to force the VP to be the decider? Will a 50-50 vote make this ****show worse than it already has been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 You already done F'd us, get off the stage so I can hear how we finally found a cop guilty of murder   2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 To be honest, more Democrats should have supported Gorsuch... there will be idealogical differences that they can nitpick on for elections... but that shouldn't prevent a well qualified judge who has opposite idealogy. Sotomayor had 67 votes. Kagan 63. Garland never was given an up or down. Gorsuch 54. Kavanaugh 51. See, I say that but the GOP absolutely didn't care about a well qualified Garland... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Well that's it. What time is it official tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fergasun said: To be honest, more Democrats should have supported Gorsuch... there will be idealogical differences that they can nitpick on for elections... but that shouldn't prevent a well qualified judge who has opposite idealogy. Â Â Of course. Because as we're clearly seeing, Republicans are people of principle and would totally respect the Democrats for going along with their plan to steal a Senate seat. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 **** these people. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Our country is completely ****ed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I feel sick for any woman that doesn't want to come forward because of **** like this. Thus whole thing has to be beyond humiliating for Ford.  I look forward to seeing the polls over the next week, this may just piss more women off.  Vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Last night I heard from an old friend who texted me out of the blue and wanted to know what I thought of this whole mess. I told her that at the start of it, I didn't know who to believe, that HS for me was 20 years ago and I've got trouble remembering things that weren't even affected by alcohol. I then told her that as the testimonies went on, I thought he was a liar and that he completely misrepresented himself in a number of ways and that he was probably lying about what happened to Ford. That he was so obsessed with keeping up his Boy Scout image, he couldn't bear to face the truth and tell it.   I said that if anyone can't see that he lied about things during his testimony and questioning, they weren't being objective and had no interest in doing so.  Not a shocker that his party backs him up today. They weren't objective and had no interest in being so.  Party, first is the norm in this country. I'm not surprised. I said it before yesterday, our elected officials don't give a single solitary **** about us. They're great salespeople, they pull the wool over our eyes every few years and make us think they do.   But they don't. Today is another example.   Party, first.  Party, first.  Party, first.   2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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