Let's All Get Behind Alex Smith! Or Not!! (M.E.T.) NO kirk talk---that goes in ATN forum

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

2 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Please give me the links

Find Cooley’s reviews, they are out there.  SIP has posted quite a few.  Listen to sports radio to anyone they bring on to discuss the Redskins.  Listen to every single one of our home team analysts on the post game shows.

 

I get that a lot of the folks beating their chests and pretending Smith is a net positive thus far are homers with an axe to grind with the last QB.  The same folks who are going to stay up late and pray he has a bad game tonight.  All that is fine really, I mean they could even go in the direction that “Hey, this FO is doing well, putting a team together that can carry the weight of Smith’s poor play”.  That’s much more logical than pretending that he’s been anything other than overall lousy.

[Llevron]

1 minute ago, JSSkinz said:

Do you really need links? Just go listen to Cooley's podcasts, luckily he's a homer so he doesn't give F's. There is a ton of content that will break down what Alex is doing wrong, how he bails out of the pocket too quickly, all the open WR's he's missing, locking in on 1st read, not moving to other reads.

 

The fact you wrote this make it seem like you don't follow too closely. 

 

Ok so Cooley. That it? We supposed to bench him cause Cooley doesn’t like him? 

 

And im giving you that one. Not even asking for proof. 

 

Yes I want links so we can discuss all the professionals that think we should bench him for McCoy at 5-2

[Burgold]

Really and seriously. All we're pretending is that the Redskins are 5-2 and riding a three game winning streak. We're not bemoaning wins and crying that the team has a fine record.

 

I don't think a single "Smith Defender" is saying he is playing at a Probowl level. Heck, I called it a C+ performance. He's not playing like a world beater, but for the last three weeks, he is playing like a QB that's beating the opponent in front of him.

[Llevron]

7 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Find Cooley’s reviews, they are out there.  SIP has posted quite a few.  Listen to sports radio to anyone they bring on to discuss the Redskins.  Listen to every single one of our home team analysts on the post game shows.

 

Links or it didn’t happen. I wanna see links for all the mighty and knowledgeable professionals that say we need to bench him after this game cause he so bad. 

 

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I get that a lot of the folks beating their chests and pretending Smith is a net positive thus far are homers with an axe to grind with the last QB.  The same folks who are going to stay up late and pray he has a bad game tonight.  All that is fine really, I mean they could even go in the direction that “Hey, this FO is doing well, putting a team together that can carry the weight of Smith’s poor play”.  That’s much more logical than pretending that he’s been anything other than overall lousy.

 

The projection here is actually funny. You remind me of this dude that sells bad ties and tweets a lot sometimes 

[JSSkinz]

1 minute ago, Llevron said:

 

Ok so Cooley. That it? We supposed to bench him cause Cooley doesn’t like him? 

 

And im giving you that one. Not even asking for proof. 

 

Yes I want links so we can discuss all the professionals that think we should bench him for McCoy at 5-2

Too bad, that's like asking for links to porn, its everywhere and easy to find, Google is your friend.

 

People have been posting stuff in this thread all week, go look at his QBR, it's in the 40's, this shouldn't even be debatable.

 

You should just stick with your original argument, it was your strongest.

[Llevron]

2 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

Too bad, that's like asking for links to porn, its everywhere and easy to find, Google is your friend.

 

People have been posting stuff in this thread all week, go look at his QBR, it's in the 40's, this shouldn't even be debatable.

 

You should just stick with your original argument, it was your strongest.

 

Just say you can’t find a single person saying we should bench him for colt at 5-2 lol

 

I love that “Links are too easy to find for me to go through the trouble of backing up my bull**** posts” final move btw. This is what peak performance looks like 

[JSSkinz]

3 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Just say you can’t find a single person saying we should bench him for colt at 5-2 lol

No, No, No, you responded to BFS about the breakdowns of Alex's play and how horrible it is, you said provide links and I chimed in about you needing links to understand how bad he is.

 

Nobody said anyone in the media has said Alex should be benched, you just made that up out of nowhere.

[Destino]

20 minutes ago, Llevron said:

QBs are judged by wins, not TDs. Only the wins matter. All that ****. 

 

But now....lol. 

This is fair, people were saying that.  They were wrong for saying that though as wins are clearly, and demonstrably, not a QB stat.  The critics went a great deal further than that with Cousins though.  They were inventing outrageous standards, like insisting that long completed passes were actually negative plays because Cousins failed to hit receivers in stride.  Can you imagine if the only passes we counted as positive for Alex Smith were perfectly on target throws that hit receivers in stride?  I'm not even sure most of his completions are to receivers that are running, he hits a lot of short passes to receivers that have slowed or stopped entirely.  Most of his stuff down field is to guys running buck naked open, and even then few have hit them in stride. 

 

There were criticisms of Cousins that were entirely fair though, and plenty of the bad things he did here have carried over to Minny.  Cousins was really good, but he had a lot of flaws.  He's not "elite" by my standard. 

[Llevron]

4 minutes ago, JSSkinz said:

No, No, No, you responded to BFS about the breakdowns of Alex's play and how horrible it is, you said provide links and I chimed in about you needing links to understand how bad he is.

 

Nobody said anyone in the media has said Alex should be benched, you just made that up out of nowhere.

 

Oh that’s your point. Conceded. He is not playing well and I don’t need links to prove that. 

 

That was never my argument. 

 

My argument is and will continue to be that there is not a better QB on this roster. So benching him, at 5-2, is stupid. 

 

I thought thats where where his post was going, my b. 

 

Still, gimme links of people saying we are winning in spite of him. I want those now lol. I may not disagree depending on whose selling it to me.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Destino said:

This is fair, people were saying that.  Wins are clearly and demonstrably not a QB stat.  The critics went a great deal further than that with Cousins though.  They were inventing outrageous standards, like insisting that long completed passes were actually negative plays because Cousins failed to hit receivers in stride.  Can you imagine if the only passes we counted as positive for Alex Smith were perfectly on target throws that hit receivers in stride?  I'm not even sure most of his completions are to receivers that are running, he hits a lot of short passes to receivers that have slowed or stopped entirely.  Most of his stuff down field is to guys running buck naked open, and even then few have hit them in stride. 

 

There were criticisms of Cousins that were entirely fair though, and plenty of the bad things he did here have carried over to Minny.

 

Yea I mean I’m not saying he’s the best QB we have had in a while at all. He is very disappointing and I’m saying wtf are you doing every drive. 

 

I would even even trade him today for Kirk given the opportunity. 

 

But... as you said previously, the run game and the defense have to be on for us to win. And the only way THAT style of play works is if you don’t turn the ball over. He doesn’t. So he’s is literally the best we got at the moment. 

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 minutes ago, Llevron said:

But... as you said previously, the run game and the defense have to be on for us to win. And the only way THAT style of play works is if you don’t turn the ball over. He doesn’t. So he’s is literally the best we got at the moment. 

But if he would just hit the wide open guys, he would make life a lot easier for everybody. 

[Gibbit]

I bet we can get rg3

 

Save it for next weeks game thread...you guys that cant feel the love(or really dallas trolls)

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

15 hours ago, Llevron said:

 

Links or it didn’t happen. I wanna see links for all the mighty and knowledgeable professionals that say we need to bench him after this game cause he so bad. 

 

 

The projection here is actually funny. You remind me of this dude that sells bad ties and tweets a lot sometimes 

 

Yes, please let me find you information to save yourself from continuing to look both lazy and stupid.

 

EDIT: Since apparently this needs clarification...

 

I believe YOUR POSTS are stupid and lazy on this subject.  Which is entirely within the rules.  Stupid to insinuate we’re making this up and lazy because the information is available and everywhere. 

[dckey]

Just now, Voice_of_Reason said:

But if he would just hit the wide open guys, he would make life a lot easier for everybody. 

This is where I just think people are piling on him.  He had 3 drops for first downs.  2- 3rd and shorts killed by holding penalties.  He is not the type of qb that will get first downs on 3rd and longs.  He needs people to make plays for him and to me that is the problem we lack playmakers.  As much people like to think we have difference makers, I think we need someone that can take a short pass and turn it into points.  CT was that but he does not look 100%

[JSSkinz]

For those who weren't sure if Alex was having a tough season.?

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

Without even looking it up, I’d venture a guess everyone surrounding him on that list doesn’t have a 100 yard rusher every week they win in conjunction with a stifling defense.

[clskinsfan]

41 minutes ago, Destino said:

The passing game isn't the reason the Redskins are winning.  This team hasn't won a game this season in which the opponent has scored more than 17 points. That's outstanding defense, but that's not all that's gone right in victories.  Check out these rushing numbers:

 

Cardinals 182 4.2avg

Colts 65 3.0avg

Packers 166 4.7avg

Saints 39 2.2avg

Panthers 132 4.7

Cowboys 130 4.1avg

Giants 182 5.5avg

 

Notice anything?  When the defense and running game play well the Redskins win.  When the Redskins running game doesn't show up, neither does Alex Smith.  In the two games, both losses in which the running game has faltered, Alex Smith has zero touchdown passes and 1 interception. 

 

This Redskins team feels more like the pre-Shanahan days when the team played defense and ran the ball.   I don't get the feeling the Redskins passing game can go out and win games. 

 

 

That is a fair statement right now. But they dont seem to have to at this point? Smith will get better as the season progresses. And he will not LOSE you a game either. He just refuses to make stupid mistakes. And with this defense and running game that may be good enough.

[Burgold]

1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Without even looking it up, I’d venture a guess everyone surrounding him on that list doesn’t have a 100 yard rusher every week they win in conjunction with a stifling defense.

In fairness, if you subtract that beauty of a sixty yard run... Peterson was having a pedestrian game too. He had 25 rushes up to that point for about 70 yards or thereabouts. 

[Destino]

1 minute ago, Llevron said:

But... as you said previously, the run game and the defense have to be on for us to win. And the only way THAT style of play works is if you don’t turn the ball over. He doesn’t. So he’s is literally the best we got at the moment. 

I wouldn't go that far.  The Rams could win by playing defense and running the ball, but they have a passing game so they don't have to.  Goff has thrown 5 interceptions and it hasn't stopped them from winning.  They've scored 30+ in 6 of 7 games.  A turnover here and there, isn't going to kill a team that can do everything on offense and still play defense well enough.

 

If the Redskins had a great passing game right now, we'd be in the conversation with the Rams.  We do not, and are not. 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

This season reminds me some of the Trent Dilfer Ravens Superbowl season.  Be nice if it has the same outcome.  I don't think this defense is as good as the Ravens defense that year obviously but its been impressive.   Peterson has been insane.  Do I think the rest of the league was envious of Dilfer, then? Not at all.  Did I think Dilfer was just a winner.  Nope.  But a Dilfer type has value when you have a killer defense and running game.  This isn't me plugging Alex.  I think he's been disappointing.   But I got my doubts Colt would be better.  Colt plays with much more moxie IMO than Alex and likely makes bigger plays but he's not that good where his tendency to commit turnovers might not be game crushers.  

 

We've not had a good defense since arguably two of the Gregg Williams years (2 of the 4) and we've not had a running back as good as Peterson since Portis.  I don't think think its a coincidence that those teams made the playoffs twice.  Also, I don't think it was a coincidence they posed no threat once they made the playoffs.  That's how it feels to me thus far.  Alex to me is like Brunell.   He's not winning games for you but he's not blowing up the work done by the units who are winning the games -- the defense and running game.

 

Heck the Vikings made the playoffs with Peterson with guys like Christian Ponder at QB.  I do enjoy the Alex Smith report and do think the dude is a good guy.  but I am not enjoying the ride thus far with him as QB.  But I am enjoying the ride immensely of Adrian Peterson -- what a player, wow.  I recall the last run the Redskins made the playoffs under Gibbs when Williams was so obsessed with stopping Peterson that he played the game with a 4-4 alignment.  4 LBs to stop Peterson.  they respected him that much.  I can see why.

[RonArtest15]

He's terrible.  Trust me, I'm happy that we're 5-2, but there is NO ONE in RP who can look at smith and see that he's not a downgrade from Cousins.  This team has to absolutely stop trading with Andy Reid. 

 

*edit*

 

Before people start defending him talking about how careful he is with the ball, Giants left a few INTs on the field due to Smith's inaccuracy. 

[Destino]

3 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

 

That is a fair statement right now. But they dont seem to have to at this point? Smith will get better as the season progresses. And he will not LOSE you a game either. He just refuses to make stupid mistakes. And with this defense and running game that may be good enough.

They had to against the Colts and couldn't.  It would have been nice if the passing game put up a fight against the Saints too, but I'm trying to erase that game from memory so I'd rather not think on it too long. 

[clskinsfan]

1 minute ago, Destino said:

I wouldn't go that far.  The Rams could win by playing defense and running the ball, but they have a passing game so they don't have to.  Goff has thrown 5 interceptions and it hasn't stopped them from winning.  They've scored 30+ in 6 of 7 games.  A turnover here and there, isn't going to kill a team that can do everything on offense and still play defense well enough.

 

If the Redskins had a great passing game right now, we'd be in the conversation with the Rams.  We do not, and are not. 

 

Agreed. Interesting stat. Our defense and the Rams defense is tied in scoring defense so far this year.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

Just now, clskinsfan said:

 

That is a fair statement right now. But they dont seem to have to at this point? Smith will get better as the season progresses. And he will not LOSE you a game either. He just refuses to make stupid mistakes. And with this defense and running game that may be good enough.

 

You can really sit there with a straight face and say that he won’t lose you a game?  Have you recognized that in every win the defense is awesome and AP runs wild?  

 

Alex consistently leaves many points on the field every week, that we couldn’t afford to if either AP or the defense were fractionally worse than they’ve been.  Several of these games become losses if that’s not the case.  Turnovers or not.

[clskinsfan]

1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

 

You can really sit there with a straight face and say that he won’t lose you a game?  Have you recognized that in every win the defense is awesome and AP runs wild?  

 

Alex consistently leaves many points on the field every week, that we couldn’t afford to if either AP or the defense were fractionally worse than they’ve been.  Several of these games become losses if that’s not the case.  Turnovers or not.

 

Absolutely. His career winning record and stats back up my claim as well. He WILL NOT go out and throw 4 picks or 3 fumbles in a game. It just will not happen. 

[Skinsinparadise]

13 minutes ago, Burgold said:

In fairness, if you subtract that beauty of a sixty yard run... Peterson was having a pedestrian game too. He had 25 rushes up to that point for about 70 yards or thereabouts. 

 For a team that doesn't do explosive plays.  That last play was key - let alone the plays just before that on that drive where Peterson was grinding out the clock and making first downs even though the Giants knew he was getting the ball. 

 

 

For all the people (granted not many are suggesting it) saying Alex is a winner and he's done his job.  Every indication is the FO and coaching staff disagrees with the point.  Keim, Hoffman, Finlay have all said the FO and coaching staff are disappointed in Alex's play.  Finlay doubled down on it today.  Heck Doug Williams who is the most Pollyanna spokesperson for the team when asked about Alex didn't go to town to praise him (like he typically does for other players) and basically suggested it will get better and implicitly admitted it hasn't been great thus far.

 

I've heard enough that those who think Alex has done his part in this winning streak are at odds on that point with both the FO and the coaching staff -- Jay of course is going to be nice publicly but the behind the scenes stuff is very telling IMO.