Going Commando Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 hours ago, No Excuses said: You have to read the language carefully when the hard right says “no amnesty”. This includes any legal protections. This has been the far rights mantra every time immigration comes up. Bipartisan agreements fail because any kind of legal protection is unacceptable. You are probably right. But the conditions on the ground are different this time and it may lead to a different outcome. House Republicans are feeling a blue wave coming and the sitting Republican president is extraordinarily unpopular. Moderate Republicans are simultaneously empowered to work with Democrats & they probably need to hope to keep their seats in November. This could be the time to get a deal done. Even a limited one would be progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: You are probably right. But the conditions on the ground are different this time and it may lead to a different outcome. House Republicans are feeling a blue wave coming and the sitting Republican president is extraordinarily unpopular. Moderate Republicans are simultaneously empowered to work with Democrats & they probably need to hope to keep their seats in November. This could be the time to get a deal done. Even a limited one would be progress. I hope so. But I have zero faith in Paul Ryan to stand up to the extremist wing of the House. He is a spineless wimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Making no deal means they could be subject to deportation starting in March. Protecting them from this is the first concern. I disagree. You force the GOP to either give citizenship or to deport dreamers. The latter is not something they want to have to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Hersh said: I disagree. You force the GOP to either give citizenship or to deport dreamers. The latter is not something they want to have to defend. Sure seems like you are willing to gamble with the lives of those you say you are so concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Sure seems like you are willing to gamble with the lives of those you say you are so concerned about. It’s not a gamble. Only racist GOP members want them gone. Which is why it would overwhelming pass the house and Senate. Have one dreamer being led out of the military or one teacher that kids love in a conservative area and that will put an end to it if it comes to that. Plus, the Dems cannot roll over when it’s the GOP that put them in this position. I’m not sure even Trump is dumb enough to let them start getting arrested and deported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I read Schumer's wall offer was for authorizing funding which differs from appropriating funding. True/False? If we waterboarded most of them we could clear these things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Hersh said: It’s not a gamble. Only racist GOP members want them gone. Which is why it would overwhelming pass the house and Senate. Have one dreamer being led out of the military or one teacher that kids love in a conservative area and that will put an end to it if it comes to that. Plus, the Dems cannot roll over when it’s the GOP that put them in this position. I’m not sure even Trump is dumb enough to let them start getting arrested and deported. Sounds similar to how almost everyone agrees that we want bump stocks ban and we have pictures of dead people all over the place yet it still doesn't happen. Don't think that the people in DC listen to what the people in the rest of the country want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Sounds similar to how almost everyone agrees that we want bump stocks ban and we have pictures of dead people all over the place yet it still doesn't happen. Don't think that the people in DC listen to what the people in the rest of the country want. I don't think there is a counter force as strong as the NRA when it comes to these two issues. If that makes sense. You certainly could be right, particularly with the house leadership and Stephen Miller being in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 11 hours ago, No Excuses said: What do you get out of such a heartless, cynical view? Lower blood pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 8 hours ago, killerbee99 said: what the hell can you do when you don't control any branch of the government, Win elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Worth remembering: They were going to fund the wall, until they didn't get what they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, tshile said: Worth remembering: They were going to fund the wall, until they didn't get what they wanted. Are you talking about the Dems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hersh said: Are you talking about the Dems? Yup Unless the thing about the deal being off the table is inaccurate? (I literally only know what's been posted in the last 2 pages. Not kidding, too busy today ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, tshile said: Yup Unless the thing about the deal being off the table is inaccurate? (I literally only know what's been posted in the last 2 pages. Not kidding, too busy today ) Well he probably took it off the table to allow him to offer it again. Just a negotiating tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 57 minutes ago, tshile said: Win elections Can we use Russian hackers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, TryTheBeal! said: Can we use Russian hackers? Why not? Apparently it is the cool thing to do now. Along with Tide Pods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LadySkinsFan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Dems need to hold firm before Feb. 8th. So sick of these lying, deceitful Republicans. No mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 If that's really where Trump stands, I'd want to confirm if he's talking about approving extensions or pathway to citizenship concerning DACA. It shouldn't have to come to this, but if is indeed pathway to citizienship and extensions until the process is complete, Dems should vote for wall to seal it. It's clear its not going to symbolically stretch over the entire southern border. Just get something done for ****s sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Saw on FB that Trump should start a GoFundMe campaign for his wall. That way his rabid 30℅ can contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said: Can we use Russian hackers? Apparently it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, visionary said: Well, he just laid out the entire deal. Wall for DACA. Done. The wall really won't get built up very much and it will just go down as a symbolic boondoggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Yeah if I'm a Republican congressman I don't actually want Trump getting to build his wall. It's a cartoonish vanity project. It'd be a huge headache. Does anyone actually want it other than Trump and the morons and trolls that go to his rallies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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