AsburySkinsFan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: What is a greater loss of freedom? Not being able to buy as many mass murdering weapons as you want or the apparent alternative which is a metal detector at every retail, restaurant, worship, school, bank etc The former obviously. The latter is an individual business decision which is often attacked by NRA cultists for creating gun free zones or intentional soft targets. “Shall not be infringed” is an absolute, but then all of the cultists ignore the fact that the 2nd Am. specifically relates to the 18th century necessity for militias to be involved in the national defense, especially considering that the Founding Fathers specifically opposed a standing army, and considering that the United States in the 1700’s had no industrial means to create the military hardware in the event of a threat to national security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Just now, AsburySkinsFan said: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/28/517799119/trump-repeals-rule-designed-to-block-gun-sales-to-certain-mentally-ill-people You said ANY, there remains many. Just now, Elessar78 said: I think the biggest loss of freedom is the loss of life. The dead literallly can’t do anything or choose anything. Contemplating writing my church council about stationing someone at the entrance to just watch. Doesn’t even have to be armed security-just someone watching our backs while everyone is facing forward. True, which is why we have so many laws forbidding taking most life. A good idea we instituted long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Just now, twa said: You said ANY, there remains many. True, which is why we have so many laws forbidding taking most life. A good idea we instituted long ago. There it is the twabot has just admitted that he’s willing to accept these shootings because the laws agaibst taking life are sufficient for punishing the murderers. As far as the laws and mentally ill, I’m sure the NRA has gutted those and rendered them toothless. All so the gun indistry can protect the rights of gun manufacturers to sell lots and lots of guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 How did this guy pass the background check? You have a law that clearly should have prevented it that didn't. I do accept some people are evil and don't respect life or law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Here’s how effective our gun laws are...#EnforceTheLawsOnTheBooks At least we have the comfort of knowing that had the mass murderer survived then he was specifically barred from possessing firearms, so that would have been another charge against him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, twa said: I hear they don't let you carry guns on planes, they can do that for some reason. wanna guess My first instinct would be to save lives but then when I consider that you're allowed to own a killing machine that can spray 9 rounds a second into a crowd of thousands, it becomes a puzzlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 he was also prohibited since it was a domestic violence conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, twa said: he was also prohibited since it was a domestic violence conviction. Enforce the laws on the books! Thank god he was prohibited from possessing firearms. If we just enforce the laws on the books we’ll prevent these crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, twa said: he was also prohibited since it was a domestic violence conviction. This has been reported. When he bought the gun, he checked the box that said he had nothing in his background that would prevent him from owning one. So there you go. Nothing we can do about it. Criminals are still going to check the box that says that it's ok to sell them guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: This has been reported. When he bought the gun, he checked the box that said he had nothing in his background that would prevent him from owning one. So there you go. Nothing we can do about it. Criminals are still going to check the box that says that it's ok to sell them guns. What can you do? Criminals will get guns. I mean, some are so devious that they will go so far as to check a box, and the backround check is so complete that it didn’t catch that he filled out a form incorrectly. Oddly enough that’s the same crime Flynn is accused of, filling out forms incorrectly...must be an epidemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/06/an-unlikely-hero-describes-gun-battle-and-95-mph-chase-with-texas-shooting-suspect/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-high_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.3a877aefc6ad This guy and another guy chased the gunman, pretty crazy ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: If somebody invented a gun that could shoot an airplane out of the sky, would it be legal? Barrett 50 cal. Can shoot through 4 ft of concrete. One of my coworkers bought this thing for like 4 grand. If you could actually hit the plane in a vital spot you'd have no problem bringing it down. 10698034_342534489241941_507515129_n.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 But he wasn't dishonorably discharged. He was a bad conduct discharge. It was the result of abusing his spouse, but who knows what level they actually tried him for. I believe a bad conduct discharge can be for misdemeanor crime. **EDIT** Reading more at least attempted assault, which is treated as assault in the military so not a midermeanor, but still not a DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Here’s what stands between a gunman and you getting shot up in your church or grocery store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Well, there you have it. It's not a guns problem, its a mental health and box checking problem. Unless you're an immigrant or a muslim, then it's a totally different issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 a BCD used to be an absolutely horrible thing to carry around for the rest of your life. I guess times are a-changin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, PeterMP said: White males do not make up 78% of the population. sorry, 76.9% https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I mean checking the right box in some situations in difficult enough but if you have a "mental health" thing happening at the same time all hell is bound to break lose at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, steve09ru said: sorry, 76.9% https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216 Math much? That’s total white population not white adult male population. Furthermore, when have GOPers been shy about profiling an entire race? Or religion? Or nationality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, steve09ru said: sorry, 76.9% https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216 You're reading that incorrectly. You have to look at "White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, July 1, 2016, (V2016)". So that's 61.3% white folks. Doesn't say anything about male or female though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: You're reading that incorrectly. You have to look at "White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, July 1, 2016, (V2016)". So that's 61.3% white folks. Doesn't say anything about male or female though. missed the initial male portion of the comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 What exactly is the combined population of the countries on Trump’s nation ban? I mean if we can profile eight countries but can’t talk about white males then it just seems like we’re being inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, mistertim said: Well, there you have it. It's not a guns problem, its a mental health and box checking problem. Unless you're an immigrant or a muslim, then it's a totally different issue. Immigrants and Muslims don't have to worry about boxes. They've got the color of their skin to solve that problem. Sadly this incident won't impact people's thoughts on guns. It's just going to entrench them further. Sadly, this incident will reinforce the mantra of, "Enforce the laws on the books." While there is some truth to that, solving issues like these are much more nuanced than the conversation after a tragedy. The problem is after a few days of spouting off talking points, the discussion will move to something much more important like tax reform and Hillary's emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 is there agreement in principle that if a portion of the population- whether its white males committing more apparent random mass shootings or radical islamists committing a disproportionate amount of acts (or via body count, either/or), that we as a society have a responsibility to ask why, and proceed to find a solution? or are we just taking political shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 You telling me checking the box means they don't check records? 1 hour ago, Spaceman Spiff said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/06/an-unlikely-hero-describes-gun-battle-and-95-mph-chase-with-texas-shooting-suspect/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-high_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.3a877aefc6ad This guy and another guy chased the gunman, pretty crazy ****. The one that engaged him deserves major props and probably saved lives. Ya wait around for the police and it would be awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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