Renegade7 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, visionary said: Would those things also make it harder for potential victims to escape once the killer is inside? Most lockdown procedures I've been apart of have kept you where you are. I'd imagine in an active shooter situation, unless your section of the building is secure, you shouldn't go anywhere, stay in the locked room. What are they doing in schools these days for lockdown procedures? Anyone's kids talk to them about it in 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Governor Northam is calling a special session to address gun violence. Hope something positive can come of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, visionary said: Would those things also make it harder for potential victims to escape once the killer is inside? Maybe. Depends on how they’re implemented. Around here they shelter in place anyways. So them getting out isn’t even the issue. Around here they’ve started installing sliding metal gate barriers in the halls so teachers can essentially lock down entire wings of halls quickly and permanently. Otherwise they turn off the lights, lock the doors, and put the kids in a corner of the room 1 hour ago, Renegade7 said: Some of y'all don't get how layers of security work and that's why this conversation is going in circles. Yup. Absent a magical all encompassing solution, you must put multiple things together and hope that when one fails another comes to the rescue and saves the situation. Stationing police at schools isn’t a guarantee. Neither is arming teachers. Or reinforcing exterior doors and making them auto lock. Nor bullet proof glass. Downsides, cost, and no guarantee. But when your government has abandoned you on an issue you play the cards your dealt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) It truly is a tough topic to have a discussion on when it feels like one side is solely offering thought and prayers to each and every shooting and the other is open to just about anything and everything. Edited June 4, 2019 by The Evil Genius 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, visionary said: Would those things also make it harder for potential victims to escape once the killer is inside? My thinking (and maybe this was already addressed) also is, ok, what about dismissal? A bunch of kids exiting the school at once, in one spot and a shooter, who decided to wait until they left the potential security of the school interior. You have more potential for mass casualties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreaterbuzzette Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Not sure if you all saw this yet : https://www.foxnews.com/world/victims-gunman-darwin-australia-shotgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 33 minutes ago, thegreaterbuzzette said: Not sure if you all saw this yet : https://www.foxnews.com/world/victims-gunman-darwin-australia-shotgun Australia will get on the phone to Joes Bulletproof Glass Co and get it taken care of! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, thegreaterbuzzette said: Not sure if you all saw this yet : https://www.foxnews.com/world/victims-gunman-darwin-australia-shotgun There was another one there not long ago https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-11/seven-people-found-dead-in-margaret-river-murder-suicide/9751482 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Evil Genius Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, visionary said: I'm not sure that doing this is appropriate. Sure, fire the guy for inaction but criminal charges? That seems excessive. I'm probably in the minority with that though. Edit..ok maybe the perjury charges are acceptable. But I'd tend to think inaction being labeled criminal is excessive. Edited June 4, 2019 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Inaction to protect minors in your care is neglect or abuse, be you a parent, preschool or teacher ect. There is going to be the question on if he can be compelled to risk his life....which with adults is clear you are not. with children it is less so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 The perjury charges probably stick. I don't believe the police have a legal duty to help you in a shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Cooked Crack said: The perjury charges probably stick. I don't believe the police have a legal duty to help you in a shooting. Not if you are a adult, no Kids have different rights to protection from those entrusted with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 The perjury charges probably stick. I don't believe the police have a legal duty to help you in a shooting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 repeating it changes nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreaterbuzzette Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 If a doctor failed to perform resistive efforts if you went into cardiac arrest during surgery that would be criminal. An oath to protect and serve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Apparently in Japan, when parents suspect their children might commit mass murder, they preemptively kill them: Ex-top farm ministry official says Kawasaki attack prompted his murder of son TOKYO A former top bureaucrat of the farm ministry arrested on the weekend over the murder of his son has told investigators the mass stabbing in Kawasaki near Tokyo last week prompted the killing, investigative sources said Monday. Hideaki Kumazawa, 76, told investigators that he "thought my son might harm others" after finding out about the stabbing rampage last Tuesday in which a man said to have become a social recluse allegedly killed two and injured more than a dozen others before taking his own life, according to the sources. Kumazawa was quoted as saying his 44-year-old son Eiichiro "tended to be withdrawn from social life and exhibited violent behavior" toward him and his wife, the sources said. A note believed to have been left by Kumazawa, also a former Japanese ambassador to the Czech Republic, was found at his home suggesting his murderous intent. His son was found with a dozen wounds concentrated in his upper body including chest and abdomen. Kumazawa was arrested Saturday and sent to prosecutors on Monday on suspicion of murder. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 14 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: I'm not sure that doing this is appropriate. Sure, fire the guy for inaction but criminal charges? That seems excessive. I'm probably in the minority with that though. Edit..ok maybe the perjury charges are acceptable. But I'd tend to think inaction being labeled criminal is excessive. It was his job to do something. He didn’t do anything. If he didn’t want to do something there’s other jobs out there. Maybe they could have hired someone that would actually do something in his place. Who knows how different the outcome could have been. Responsibility’s a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Oh yeah I forgot the shooter escaped while deputy mcdope just stood outside could have been way worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 he did do something, he told other officers arriving to stay back....meanwhile kids are bleeding out. but he is innocent till proven guilty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 If its not a crime it should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 5 hours ago, tshile said: It was his job to do something. He didn’t do anything. If he didn’t want to do something there’s other jobs out there. Maybe they could have hired someone that would actually do something in his place. Who knows how different the outcome could have been. Responsibility’s a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Llevron said: If its not a crime it should be https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/scot-peterson-video-footage-parkland-shooting.html Check out the video surveillance in the article posted above. This SRO was 56 years old, lets assume he had been a deputy since he was in his 20s, 30+ years on the job. He was a coward, thinking about his retirement and pension and not wanting to die. Guy belonged behind a desk or patrolling the streets, imo, not being the lifeline to students in a mass killing spree. In today's world, law enforcement agencies need to re-think who they make the SRO of the schools. If the SRO at my daughters school was in their mid 50s or older I'd have a huge problem with that, for the very reason I stated above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 School resource officers exist for a reason Quote ESSENTIAL DUTIES 1. Patrol district property for suspicious activity, unauthorized persons on campus, or unauthorized entry after hours. 2. Provide in-service training to help administrators be better prepared to deal with security –related matters and serve as a wrap-around services team member to support student success. 3. Work closely with the principal and staff of the school to foster a better understanding of the law enforcement function to maintain a secure learning environment. Proactively work with the school’s leadership team and collaborate with school’s administrative team on safety protocols and procedures. 4. Serve as a visible and active law enforcement officer on campus dealing with law-related areas such as drugs, traffic, trespassing, fighting, and thefts. Enforce campus rules and regulations. 5. Conduct routine patrols of assigned facilities to include buildings, parking lots and district owned, leased, or rented property; Operate district equipment to include alarm systems, surveillance equipment, and patrol units when necessary. 6. Take law enforcement action to protect against unwanted intruders. Identify and prevent (through counseling and referral) delinquent behavior, including substance abuse. Make arrests only when necessary to protect students, staff and school property. 7. Work collaboratively with public safety agencies to serve as a liaison between school and community to deter criminal and delinquent behavior. 8. Conduct courses and workshops for students, staff and parents to promote social awareness, relationship skills, self-management, self-awareness and responsible decision making. 9. Coordinate security for crowd and vehicle control at extra-curricular activities and special events. Monitor and instruct students, visitors, and district personnel on proper and lawful campus or facility behavior. Help to define and maintain a respectful code of conduct. 10. Assist other law enforcement agencies with incidents involving local criminal activity that may impact the safety of the environment for students and staff. Serve as the initial first responder and school safety coordinator for campus emergencies. 11. Respond to calls on crimes against person or property in progress, report crimes that have already occurred, and intrusion/fire alarms; perform preliminary investigation at the scene (e.g. gather and preserve evidence, take statements). Prepare written reports, maintain daily logs, and obtain and serve arrest and search warrants as necessary; testify in court as required. 12. Subdue offenders and criminals by using the minimum amount of force needed to protect the officer and other persons. 13. Provide classroom presentations on crime prevention and fundamental concepts and structure of the law. Teach law related education, de-escalation techniques, and conflict resolution to students and staff. 14. Provide instructions and directions to others as it pertains to law enforcement matters and emergency situations. 15. Conduct security building assessments for schools; guard, check and secure doors, rooms, buildings and equipment. 16. Operate a two-way radio and qualify with a department issued firearm. 17. Provide executive protection; provide transportation to and from pre-designated places for Board Members and District Administrators. 18. Perform other duties as assigned by appropriate supervisory personnel and school administrators. Quote PHYSICAL DEMANDS/ADA REQUIREMENTS Ability to walk, run, climb crawl or sit for extended periods of time. Work in inclement weather. Overtime work including evenings, weekends and athletic events as assigned by the Chief to provide maximum security coverage is required. Incumbent may spend extended periods of time patrolling and investigating crimes on District property, both in automobiles and on foot. Incumbent may be required to physically restrain parties involved in a conflict. In extreme cases, incumbent may be exposed to violent and/or armed confrontations. Physical fitness tests are required yearly. This position may involve routine exposure to blood or body fluids. Regular attendance is required for this position. Seems like Parkland Guy missed quite a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, Dont Taze Me Bro said: In today's world, law enforcement agencies need to re-think who they make the SRO of the schools. In too many places Sro was and still is a “put the weakest person there” job. People that suck at their job, can’t get along with colleagues, are close to retirement, etc. i think the entire department should be investigated for how this guy wound up on this post. I’m willing to bet you’ll find evidence of the above. Those decision makers should be held accountable too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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