General Mass Shooting Thread (originally Las Vegas Strip)

[twa]

1 minute ago, DogofWar1 said:

 

 

I'm so very certain he'd have killed 17 people with a knife too.

 

How many are acceptable?

 

Just to remind you, I support banning semi-automatics till 21,I would entertain it up to 25.

 

of course you will still have kids murdered since there is little to stop it when people decide to.

 

[Llevron]

8 minutes ago, twa said:

 

You are wrong, people are the threat in this instance.....that ya'll resist this conclusion leads me to believe you fear scary toys more than people wanting to kill large groups.

 

I've suggested ways to lessen the threat from both, yet I'm silly and playing with my toys.

 

What is the most common way people kill large groups in this country? 

 

[Bozo the kKklown]

1 minute ago, Llevron said:

 

What is the most common way people kill large groups in this country? 

 

knives

[Llevron]

Just now, twa said:

 

How many are acceptable?

 

Just to remind you, I support banning semi-automatics till 21,I would entertain it up to 25.

 

of course you will still have kids murdered since there is little to stop it when people decide to.

 

 

You just dont like to give up on an argument do you? 

 

Just now, BenningRoadSkin said:

knives

 

You let him tell it mass stabbings are serious ****ing **** in this country. 

[zoony]

 

[twa]

Just now, Llevron said:

 

What is the most common way people kill large groups in this country? 

 

 

Common or effective?

Common I addressed in that PM

[zoony]

2 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

What is the most common way people kill large groups in this country? 

 

 

In europe its `lorrys`.  The worst school fatality incident in US history was a bombing.  I am not sure why everyone is in such a rush to start repealing the bill of rights, with no guarantee it will even work (and plenty of evidence it wont)

 

Its a tragedy and we as a country need to take action.  Unfortunately every conversation just leads to yelling and labeling on both sides.

 

That said, I honestly dont think taking guns away is going to stop mass killers means or motivation in this country.  I think there are several other common sense policies we can enact that would ultimately be more effective, starting with the tweet i posted above

[Llevron]

Just now, twa said:

 

Common or effective?

Common I addressed in that PM

 

Which is why your attachment to death machines is ridiculous to me but whatever. You want to claim life is precious on one side and then say we need more guns to protect people from all the guns. Stupid argument you have made for yourself. 

 

Your statute of limitations of the preservation on life seems to be around 14 years? Well..... much younger if we add in those 26 elementary school kids you wanted to MAKE SURE were born before they were shot to death learning the ABCs huh? Lol. Like I said silly ass **** bro. 

Just now, zoony said:

 

In europe its `lorrys`.  The worst school fatality incident in US history was a bombing.  I am not sure why everyone is in such a rush to start repealing the bill of rights, with no guarantee it will even work (and plenty of evidence it wont)

 

Its a tragedy and we as a country need to take action.  Unfortunately every conversation just leads to yelling and labeling on both sides.

 

That said, I honestly dont think taking guns away is going to stop mass killers means or motivation in this country.  I think there are several other common sense policies we can enact that would ultimately be more effective, starting with the tweet i posted above

 

I dont want to take all guns away for record. I think we should have better background checks. That this dude was caught killing cats in his backyard should have come up some place and disqualified him. I would start with that and see if it changes things. If it does good. If it doesnt change something else. 

 

Im definitely trying to meet in the middle here. 

[Fresh8686]

55 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

I support prohibiting all former felons from owning guns.  And voting.

As a former felon whose had his voting rights restored, I'd like to know the reason why you want to take that away from me.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Fresh8686

[Larry]

1 hour ago, Reaper Skins said:

Heck lets just eliminate the middleman and just arm all the kids directly right?  Every student given his own gun to keep with them at school at all times.  That way they can use it immediately anytime they think there's a valid reason to.  Don't worry, they'll all be trained though, so there's no reason to think any accidents will ever occur.

 

 

[twa]

3 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Which is why your attachment to death machines is ridiculous to me but whatever. You want to claim life is precious on one side and then say we need more guns to protect people from all the guns. Stupid argument you have made for yourself. 

 

Your statute of limitations of the preservation on life seems to be around 14 years? Well..... much younger if we add in those 26 elementary school kids you wanted to MAKE SURE were born before they were shot to death learning the ABCs huh? Lol. Like I said silly ass **** bro. 

 

It is stupid because you continue to see ALL the guns as the real threat.

I see people wanting to kill people for little reason as the threat.

4 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said:

As a former felon whose had his voting rights restored, I'd like to know the reason why you want to take that away from me.

 

Probably the same reason he bans smokers.....they demonstrated improper judgement.

[Dan T.]

Repeal the Second Amendment.  That's the first step in changing America's ingrained gun fetish.  Disabuse all the future John Waynes and Rambos of the notion that it's their God given right to own an arsenal of weapons.  Make owning a gun a privilege you earn, and make acquiring one at least as onerous as possessing a car.

[Llevron]

4 minutes ago, twa said:

 

It is stupid because you continue to see ALL the guns as the real threat.

I see people wanting to kill people for little reason as the threat.

 

You are in more danger with a gun around you than you are without one. Can you accept that fact? If not then you and I have nothing more to discuss. 

[MartinC]

43 minutes ago, twa said:

 

I've suggested ways to lessen the threat from both, yet I'm silly and playing with my toys.

 

Accepting you have a problem is the first step to solving it. Congratulations!

14 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

Repeal the Second Amendment.  That's the first step in changing America's ingrained gun fetish.  Disabuse all the future John Waynes and Rambos of the notion that it's their God given right to own an arsenal of weapons.  Make owning a gun a privilege you earn, and make acquiring one at least as onerous as possessing a car.

 

It pretty much is this simple.

 

And of course difficult.

[AsburySkinsFan]

1 hour ago, twa said:

It is a shame those heroes desperately holding doors closed and shielding the kids with their bodies become too much of a threat to the kids if trained and armed.

 

see ya at the next one 

See you have zero ideas other than a damned firefight in our schools, all because you gun cultist ideology refuses to allow you to let go of you false theology that somewhere God have you the ****ing holy right to get a gun any time and anywhere you want.

[DogofWar1]

The 2nd won't be going anywhere any time soon.  The soonest you could swing a real movement on that front will be 20ish years, when the present generation of children achieves full voting power.

 

In the interim, it's important to remember that Heller provides a backstop.  Outright bans on all kinds of guns will be struck down.  Wide ranging bans that exempt only a couple classes of firearms under specific circumstances (ala DC ban) will be struck down.

 

However, I suspect that a ban on semi-automatic rifles would survive.  Opt-out vs. Opt-in.  A ban on bump stocks is easily fine.  Limitations on magazine size probably has no issues unless you start dropping number below 6.  Universal background checks and limitations on private sales almost certainly fine.

 

There are a lot of things that can and should be done before the 2nd is looked at.

[Kilmer17]

34 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said:

As a former felon whose had his voting rights restored, I'd like to know the reason why you want to take that away from me.

I don’t see it as taking it away.  I see it as you forfeiting it. 

 

I’d  be okay with a system that allows felons to get their rights back.  But it would be more than just a simple form. 

 

My point was to show the hypocrisy of the GOP for opposing laws that prohibit gun ownership while supporting laws that prohibit voting.  And vice Versa

[Commander PK]

On 2/16/2018 at 9:17 AM, redskinss said:

This one might piss a few people off but it's the artist's opinion of what they think is more important to the NRA.

 

Fixed that for you. 

 

Edit: fixed my fix

Edited February 17, 2018 by Painkiller

[Dan T.]

4 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

I don’t see it as taking it away.  I see it as you forfeiting it. 

 

I’d  be okay with a system that allows felons to get their rights back.  But it would be more than just a simple form. 

 

My point was to show the hypocrisy of the GOP for opposing laws that prohibit gun ownership while supporting laws that prohibit voting.  And vice Versa

 

 

 

Except that no one ever died from somebody casting a ballot.  Unless they got one hell of a paper cut.

[Kilmer17]

Just now, Dan T. said:

 

 

 

Except that no one ever died from somebody casting a ballot.  Unless they got one hell of a paper cut.

Maybe not directly.  But I would argue that voting rights carry a bigger responsibility to the great body politic than gun rights. 

[Going Commando]

53 minutes ago, zoony said:

That said, I honestly dont think taking guns away is going to stop mass killers means or motivation in this country.  I think there are several other common sense policies we can enact that would ultimately be more effective, starting with the tweet i posted above

 

I'm sure ignoring the truth and not reporting news really would make pro gun people think you've fixed the problem.  LOL.

[twa]

41 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

You are in more danger with a gun around you than you are without one. Can you accept that fact? If not then you and I have nothing more to discuss. 

 

ONLY if a greater threat doesn't exist....can you accept that?

Most here are claiming the risk of arming teachers outweighs any benefit, I disagree.

 

I accept the inherent risk of guns because of greater threats, you are free not to.

[Fresh8686]

9 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

I don’t see it as taking it away.  I see it as you forfeiting it. 

 

I’d  be okay with a system that allows felons to get their rights back.  But it would be more than just a simple form. 

 

My point was to show the hypocrisy of the GOP for opposing laws that prohibit gun ownership while supporting laws that prohibit voting.  And vice Versa

Well, since I got it back, it would be taking it away, but whatever that's besides the point.

I don't mind having to prove my ability to make informed and healthy choices, in order to vote. As long as an avenue exists where I can do so, that isn't behind some pay wall, but based on merit and consistent good behavior.

In fact, I think more effort should go into tests and standards that protect nuanced decision making from ignorance and extremism during the voting process... but the right way to apply that wish would be tricky of course. Not just equitably and ethically, but doing so in a way that doesn't dramatically depress participation.

[China]

1 hour ago, zoony said:

 

 

Without knowing for sure, that was one of the things I thought these guys probably wanted...at least they were caught before the fact.

 

Feds bust twin brothers from the Bronx for trying to build bombs

 

Cops have busted twin brothers from the Bronx for allegedly stockpiling explosive materials and crafting bombs inside their home — with help from high school students.

 

Christian Toro, a former teacher at Harlem Prep, and his brother, Tyler Toro, were arrested by the FBI on Thursday as part of a joint investigation with the NYPD.

The two 27-year-olds had been forging explosive devices inside their Pelham Parkway apartment since last October — using gunpowder from fireworks as the base for their bomb-making, according to the complaint.

 

A search of the residence turned up a slew of dangerous chemicals, including 20 pounds of iron oxide and aluminum powder, which form thermite when combined.

 

A “diary” was also allegedly found — which contained disturbing, handwritten notes, such as “WE ARE TWIN TOROS STRIKE US NOW” and “WE WILL RETURN WITH NANO THERMITE.”

 

As if that wasn’t enough, federal agents then discovered “a yellow backpack in a living area of the apartment, which contained, among other things, a purple index card with handwriting that reads, ‘UNDER THE FULL MOON THE SMALL ONES WILL KNOW TERROR.”

 

The complaint, obtained by The Post on Thursday afternoon, outlines numerous allegations against the Toro brothers — including how they’d been researching the 2013 Boston Marathon bombings and paying teens to construct their makeshift weapons.

 

Christian allegedly met the youths through his job as a teacher and offered to pay them $50 per hour to “break apart fireworks and store the powder that came out of the fireworks in containers,” the complaint says.

 

Investigators spoke with “multiple students” who said that at least two people had agreed to work for the Toros in exchange for cash.

 

“Based on the interviews, it appears that the students visited the apartment between in or around October 2017 and in or around early January 2018,” the complaint says.

 

Authorities were tipped off earlier this year by officials from Harlem Prep after they found instructions on how to construct explosives on Christian’s laptop.

 

The FBI had launched an investigation back in December after the school received a bomb threat, but they didn’t start probing Christian until after the information was found on his computer.

 

“This case likely saved many, many lives,” NYPD Commissioner James O’Neill said at a press conference Thursday night.

 

A female student, who was having a sexual relationship with Christian, was arrested for making the threat against Harlem Prep — and the young man resigned soon after, according to law enforcement sources.

 

He turned his laptop in after stepping down, and a technical specialist at Harlem Prep later found the bomb-making info, the complaint says.

 

It included an online document known as the “Explosives Book” — which “provides instructions for, among other things, manufacturing explosive devices.”

 

On Feb. 8, federal agents questioned Christian about what was found, but he maintained his innocence.

 

“[Christian] stated that he had never built a bomb and had only looked at the Explosives Book’s table of contents,” the complaint says.

 

It wasn’t until investigators spoke with students at Harlem Prep that they found out the truth — and were able to get a search warrant for Christian’s apartment, where he and his brother live, the complaint says.

 

Upon entering the apartment on Thursday, agents allegedly found the explosive materials, diary and backpack — and promptly arrested the Toros.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[twa]

31 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

See you have zero ideas other than a damned firefight in our schools, all because you gun cultist ideology refuses to allow you to let go of you false theology that somewhere God have you the ****ing holy right to get a gun any time and anywhere you want.

 

I see you still have trouble with reading comprehension.