Kilmer17 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: In other news, the sky is blue... That’s such crap. It’s azure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, PeterMP said: And everybody knows it. Do you really want to say that, in a thread about Donald Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: That’s such crap. It’s azure MORE GOP LIES!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 32 minutes ago, PeterMP said: He's never going to withdraw from those countries because he's not going to release all of those service people, and we don't have space to house tens of thousands of more soldiers on US soil. And everybody knows it. we have space for millions of illegal immigrants but not our troops? Maybe if we lined them up on the border they would fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, twa said: we have space for millions of illegal immigrants but not our troops? Maybe if we lined them up on the border they would fit We don't have military bases to keep them in current built and it takes a long time to build a military base. (And you know this.) There's a dilapidated home down the road from us where the migrants live when they are in the area. Some how, I don't think anybody is going to want to have US military personal living there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGreatBuzz Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, PeterMP said: What is their fair share? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/opinion/trump-south-korea-alliance.html https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2018/05/22/heres-how-many-billions-japan-and-south-korea-are-spending-on-american-defense-goods/ http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-allies-20160930-snap-story.html (Japan and South Korea, especially, are two places where you might see our ally simply say leave if we push them for more. We don't have a good history of treating the locals well, they have contributed significantly to the troops being stationed there, and we've essentially forced them to invest heavily in military equipment produced from American companies.) No way they tell us to leave. For years Japan refused to have a nuclear carrier stationed there. When we decommissioned the Kitty Hawk, all we had left were nuclear carriers. Japan threw a fit so we said fine. We will move our forces to Guam. Guess who now has a nuclear carrier on Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PeterMP Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: No way they tell us to leave. For years Japan refused to have a nuclear carrier stationed there. When we decommissioned the Kitty Hawk, all we had left were nuclear carriers. Japan threw a fit so we said fine. We will move our forces to Guam. Guess who now has a nuclear carrier on Japan. Times change: "Notably, despite a long military alliance with the United States and deep trans-Pacific economic ties, 62% of Japanese name U.S. power and influence a major threat to Japan. Such public concern about the U.S. is up 10 percentage points in the past year. Young Japanese (68%) and women (67%) are more likely to see Washington as a major threat than older Japanese (58%) and men (56%)." http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/10/17/troubles-with-the-u-s-relationship/ And it isn't just Trump as younger Japanese people actually have a more favorable view of Trump than older Japanese. Japan, especially, has been building their own military over the last few years, and there is a sense there that they are only pulled into the issues with North Korea because of our relationship with them and our antagonism of North Korea. They are being threatened by nuclear weapons from North Korea due to supporting our military in the region. That's quite a risk to pay for an unclear upside when the people putting you at risk are complaining about your contributions to the cause. They don't have much of a real beef with North Korea on their own. They could certainly develop their own nuclear weapons and their belief in the importance of our nuclear umbrella has been declining for some time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/11/06/japan-is-likely-to-retain-its-non-nuclear-principles-heres-why/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8cb8096bd654 "In fact, increasing numbers of Japanese believe that the U.S. “nuclear umbrella” is unnecessary for Japanese security. A June 2010 NHK survey revealed that 20.8 percent felt that U.S. nuclear deterrence is necessary for Japan’s security in both the present and future, while 34.8 percent believed it unnecessary. The June 2015 NHK poll showed that only 10.3 percent thought the U.S. nuclear umbrella is necessary for both the present and the future — 48.9 percent responded that it is unnecessary now and later." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 It's almost like...maybe she knew what she was talking about? Nah.. those emails and ****. Also..ask yourself. Why doesn't Trump have one of those Junior high nickname putdowns for Putin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: It's almost like...maybe she knew what she was talking about? Nah.. those emails and ****. Proves that she planned this whole witch hunt, back then. The fiend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chew Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 My GOD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 5 hours ago, bcl05 said: This press conference is a dumpster fire. He just answered a question about Brexit by talking about 306 electoral votes and saying (again) that he won Wisconsin, the only state Reagan lost in 1984. Of course, Reagan ACTUALLY won Wisconsin, losing only Minnnesota. This is about the 15th time Trump has repeated this easily disprovable lie. Do we think he has been told and simply forgets each time (therefore believes he is being truthful), or is he simply, pointlessly, lying? Or that he simply doesn’t understand the difference between Minnesota and Wisconsin? (as someone living in MN, them’s fightin’ words). Either way, he is either addled or simply incapable of truthfulness. Or both (probably). That’’s just one of who knows how many lies. This is so embarrassing and depressing. IF this was anyone else; they would've been removed from office via the 25th amendment. One of the many things the Democratic nominee and any third party candidate, has to make an issue in 2020; it's his mental stability/health. It's pretty clear, he's not mentally fit for the job. 3 hours ago, purbeast said: Well, Trump did say the world is laughing at us, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Also pay attention to what people are saying on this forum. A few of these people you are having "dialogue" with are Trump supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Looking at that chart, should the US be okay with all but 4 other nations meeting their obligation? That doesnt mean we should accept the way Trump is dealing with it, but as a nation, should we be okay with continuing to allow it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 What's the target date? 2024. So yes, I'm ok with them not meeting it until then. That's the point of having a date to meet the target by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I'm not seeing that date. Is it listed elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: I'm not seeing that date. Is it listed elsewhere? It came out of a 2014 summit. Members who did not meet the 2% of GDP military spending target promised to do so by 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 This artlicle is a little over a year old.. https://money.cnn.com/2017/05/25/news/nato-funding-explained-trump/index.html NATO has long been pushing for higher spending. At a summit in 2014, all members who were falling short promised to move toward the official target within a decade. That pledge appears to be holding: The alliance as a whole increased defense spending for the first time in two decades in 2015. And last year, 22 of 28 NATO members increased their defense budgets. If the U.S. is removed from the equation, the group increased its spending by 3.8% in 2016. Including the U.S., overall spending rose by 2.9%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 6 hours ago, bcl05 said: Or that he simply doesn’t understand the difference between Minnesota and Wisconsin? I’m going to bet it’s this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: That’s such crap. It’s azure Elitist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Was the 2 % a NEW mark to hit in 14 or was that always the mark just nobody but us bothered to meet it? And then in 14 they all promised to do it within 10 years? Again I say, why should we be okay with that? Should we continue to be the worlds police force and foot the bill for it disproportionately? I can think Trumps tactics are terrible while agreeing the rest of NATO needs to pull more weight. And in the Germans case, stop aiding the "enemy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 So what’s worse: Failing to secure oil from countries other than Russia or failing prevent Russian meddling in our political system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Springfield said: So what’s worse: Failing to secure oil from countries other than Russia or failing prevent Russian meddling in our political system? Why does it have to be one or the other? Also, the failure to prevent Russia from meddling would be the previous administration. Trump (probably) just benefited from their ineptness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said: Why does it have to be one or the other? Also, the failure to prevent Russia from meddling would be the previous administration. Trump (probably) just benefited from their ineptness. Because I want to cause division. Plus, how DARE you talk about Obama like that. PS Trump sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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