StillUnknown Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-prisons/?utm_term=.d4e9b87925b9 Quote The Justice Department plans to end its use of private prisons after officials concluded the facilities are both less safe and less effective at providing correctional services than those run by the government. Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates announced the decision on Thursday in a memo that instructs officials to either decline to renew the contracts for private prison operators when they expire or “substantially reduce” the contracts’ scope. The goal, Yates wrote, is “reducing — and ultimately ending — our use of privately operated prisons.” “They simply do not provide the same level of correctional services, programs, and resources; they do not save substantially on costs; and as noted in a recent report by the Department’s Office of Inspector General, they do not maintain the same level of safety and security,” Yates wrote. more in the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Fed prisons only but great start. Corrections Corp of America stock in massive free fall. One of the biggest issues with private prisons was how they were successful in lobbying for harsher prison sentences and laws. **** em. Thanks Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHog Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 This is fantastic. The private prison system makes a complete mockery of justice. Incarceration for profit doesn't belong in this country (or any other for that matter). Granted it's just a start but hopefully we'll see this trickle down to the state level as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Outstanding. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 This is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 This is a very good start. But i think most of the profit comes from vendors to prisons, not necessarily the prisons themselves. http://time.com/3446372/criminal-justice-prisoners-profit/ Quote JPay and other prison bankers collect tens of millions of dollars every year from inmates’ families in fees for basic financial services. To make payments, some forego medical care, skip utility bills and limit contact with their imprisoned relatives, the Center for Public Integrity found in a six-month investigation. Inmates earn as little as 12 cents per hour in many places, wages that have not increased for decades. The prices they pay for goods to meet their basic needs continue to increase. By erecting a virtual tollbooth at the prison gate, JPay has become a critical financial conduit for an opaque constellation of vendors that profit from millions of poor families with incarcerated loved ones. JPay streamlines the flow of cash into prisons, making it easier for corrections agencies to take a cut. Prisons do so directly, by deducting fees and charges before the money hits an inmate’s account. They also allow phone and commissary vendors to charge marked-up prices, then collect a share of the profits generated by these contractors. Taken together, the costs imposed by JPay, phone companies, prison store operators and corrections agencies make it far more difficult for poor families to escape poverty so long as they have a loved one in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Starting to correct one of the worst trends in the history of the criminal justice system.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Was so happy to see this, not all hope is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 i enjoy the "investors in private prisons stock plummeting" part of the story. screw those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 18 minutes ago, tshile said: i enjoy the "investors in private prisons stock plummeting" part of the story. screw those people. Yeah. I'd chalk their losses up to the risk inherent to investing in something that is flagrantly morally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Superb. It's a small step in the right direction, but that it's moving the right way is big. We should never have sought to profit from those we should have been trying to rehabilitate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Is ICE dropping them (eventually) as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 ICE doesn't need prisons, they just let people go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 hour ago, tshile said: ICE doesn't need prisons, they just let people go gotta clean, feed and provide medical first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 This is potentially much bigger news in my opinion. Much, much bigger. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/justice-department-says-poor-can-t-be-held-when-they-n634676 Justice Department Says Poor Can't Be Held When They Can't Afford Bail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, BornaSkinsFan83 said: This is potentially much bigger news in my opinion. Much, much bigger. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/justice-department-says-poor-can-t-be-held-when-they-n634676 Justice Department Says Poor Can't Be Held When They Can't Afford Bail well past time for that....except for the dangerous and flight risks of course do we get cookies next? add isn't that the courts domain?....or did justice make bail laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Honestly not sure how I feel about that yet. See both sides of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I wonder if Justice is defining poor differently than the courts do now? The bail bond folk are watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 13 hours ago, BornaSkinsFan83 said: This is potentially much bigger news in my opinion. Much, much bigger. Justice Department Says Poor Can't Be Held When They Can't Afford Bail I agree. Bond can be "punishment", which it is not meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Yeah isn't bond supposed to be assurance you'll come back for the hearing and nothing more? If you're still a threat aren't they supposed to just outright deny bail? I don't work in the system, but if the TV shows are to be believed then poor people wind up losing their jobs and such which really isn't good for anyone in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the lesser criminal offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, tshile said: Yeah isn't bond supposed to be assurance you'll come back for the hearing and nothing more? If you're still a threat aren't they supposed to just outright deny bail? I don't work in the system, but if the TV shows are to be believed then poor people wind up losing their jobs and such which really isn't good for anyone in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the lesser criminal offenses. How did you know I was seeing the Law & Order side of it? I certainly understand some cases of extremely high bail for famous people accused of heinous crimes...jurisdictions need the money on the front end, which they put on their bottom line for the accounting office, and they know it can be afforded. Our legal "system" is actually made of money when you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Yup. Everything from how you're treated, to odds of conviction, to the severity of your punishment seem to depend greatly on how much money you have. People often cite the racial disparity, but there seems to be a wealth disparity in outcome in the legal system too. I've seen the legal people on the board cite the public defenders as some of the better lawyers, they should certainly know better than me, but from where I sit if I'm going to trial it seems the high priced ones have a better track record... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, tshile said: Yup. Everything from how you're treated, to odds of conviction, to the severity of your punishment seem to depend greatly on how much money you have. People often cite the racial disparity, but there seems to be a wealth disparity in outcome in the legal system too. I've seen the legal people on the board cite the public defenders as some of the better lawyers, they should certainly know better than me, but from where I sit if I'm going to trial it seems the high priced ones have a better track record... Because they can afford to shift money to court clerks to have their cases heard by certain judges. Where have you been? The public defenders are actually the BETTER lawyers...because they want to advance to high dollar stuff...and they have to prove their worth. Any nutbag can get a ham sandwich indicted. And race plays a whole lot bigger role than you'd even imagine. I did 17 days in my 30s. I was doing everything I could to help people understand things...and I had to do it quietly. Counties/cities want money. And they'll lock you up for loitering to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 This is great news and glad to see it moving in the right direction. There are certain things where private industry and the need to make a profit is counterproductive to the mission of doing good for others. Prisons and education are good examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 And health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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