twa Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 pretty sure you would need to change some laws for some of those bearrock, and the outcry over resulting felonies would be fierce....but in general I like it. as far as the consent decree they need only change the 2015 expansion in application by another court, of course detaining them together will be the next outrage. maybe congress can actually come up with improvements ...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Edited June 20, 2018 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, visionary said: None of this is surprising. Effective immigration policy was never going to be on the table for the Trump administration because they don't want any form of immigration system that works. Trump was elected because of anti-immigration sentiment. Literally every rigorous analysis of voting behavior in 2016 points to a cultural anxiety among huge swaths of white American's who voted for Trump, regardless of income levels, about the changing demographics of this country. We got a taste for what the immigration fight was going to look like with the awful rollout of the travel ban. This level of cruelty and incompetence is a feature, not a bug. Turn the immigration system into more of a chaotic mess than it already is and grind the system to a halt. The main political battle of the Trump era was always going to be healthcare and immigration. The republicans spectacularly failed on healthcare because they have no ideas of their own. I think the immigration fight will take place in the midterms. The voters will have to make a referendum on this cruelty on display. Edited June 21, 2018 by No Excuses 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bozo the kKklown Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) wrong thread Edited June 21, 2018 by BenningRoadSkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Any more details? Why was she arrested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brandymac27 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 So it seems that the kids who have already been taken from their parents should just shut up, eat their bag of chips, cuddle with the aluminum foil blanket given to them, and play the PlayStation they have. Who cares they may never be reunited with their families, right? It's like summer camp! Smh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Destino Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, visionary said: That awful image is from at least as far back as 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Quote Trump can’t end family separation by executive order. He can order ICE to simply stop detaining immigrants, but that’s very obviously not the same thing. This is why: Quote But there’s no evidence that Trump has the legal authority to make his wish reality. His plan, issued in an executive order on Wednesday, conflicts with a 2015 court ruling that required the government to release child migrants from detention after 20 days. Trump can’t dismiss federal judges’ rulings by decree. So his executive order will trigger a massive showdown between his administration and human rights activists in court. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-republicans-family-separations-plan_us_5b2a8b03e4b0a4dc992364e0 The above is why Trump executive order reads, in part, as follows: Quote e) The Attorney General shall promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 (“Flores settlement”), in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/20/full-text-trump-executive-order-family-separations-transcript-658639 And all of this horrible **** is why comprehensive immigration reform was needed years ago. What Trump has done is increased the size, massively and to his great shame, of an old problem. Obama also found himself wrestling with the issue of kids who in immigration holding. This doesnt end without comprehensive immigration reform. Nothing short of that will accomplish anything more than kick the can down the road. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bozo the kKklown Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: Any more details? Why was she arrested? underage drinking, and they claim she gave false info. Check the twitter thread out, there is more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I foresee these kids just being forgotten. I hope they can be united with their parents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 hours ago, twa said: Drew McCoy @_Drew_McCoy_ 3h3 hours ago More For everyone who spent the last 2 or 3 weeks talking about Trump didn't have to enforce the law and it was all discretion....keep that in mind if he tells some district court to go to hell when they insist on enforcing Flores. Keep on trying to push the notion that what's been happening is "Trump enforcing the law". I'm certain that the folks who endorse this action think it's a good excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) Quote “The youth were being screened as gang-involved individuals. And then when they came into our care, and they were assessed by our clinical and case management staff ... they weren’t necessarily identified as gang-involved individuals,” said Kelsey Wong, a program director at the facility. She testified April 26 before a Senate subcommittee reviewing the treatment of immigrant children apprehended by the Homeland Security Department. Most children held in the Shenandoah facility who were the focus of the abuse lawsuit were caught crossing the border illegally alone. They were not the children who have been separated from their families under the Trump administration’s recent policy and are now in the government’s care. But the facility there operates under the same program run by the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement. It was not immediately clear whether any separated children have been sent to Shenandoah Valley since the Trump administration in April announced its “zero tolerance” policy toward immigrant families, after the lawsuit was filed. The Shenandoah lockup is one of only three juvenile detention facilities in the United States with federal contracts to provide “secure placement” for children who had problems at less-restrictive housing. The Yolo County Juvenile Detention Facility in California has faced litigation over immigrant children mischaracterized as gang members. In Alexandria, Virginia, a board overseeing the Northern Virginia Juvenile Detention Center voted this week to end its contract to house federal immigration detainees, bowing to public pressure. The Shenandoah detention center was built by a coalition of seven nearby towns and counties to lock up local kids charged with serious crimes. Since 2007, about half the 58 beds are occupied by both male and female immigrants between the ages of 12 and 17 facing deportation proceedings or awaiting rulings on asylum claims. Though incarcerated in a facility similar to a prison, the children detained on administrative immigration charges have not yet been convicted of any crime. Edited June 21, 2018 by visionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, Larry said: Keep on trying to push the notion that what's been happening is "Trump enforcing the law". I'm certain that the folks who endorse this action think it's a good excuse. on the contrary, that one was about not enforcing the law. please try to keep up, I know it is hard when they intersect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Destino Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 These stories of abuse should surprise exactly no one. Is there a more ready made group for abuse than illegal children on the verge of deportation, that have been deprived of their freedom, separated from their parents, and hidden behind government agencies with zero transparency? People abuse the vulnerable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 7 hours ago, brandymac27 said: So it seems that the kids who have already been taken from their parents should just shut up, eat their bag of chips, cuddle with the aluminum foil blanket given to them, and play the PlayStation they have. Who cares they may never be reunited with their families, right? It's like summer camp! Smh You mean our government agencies went about the process of separating these families and shipping people around the country to camps but didn’t keep good track of who belonged with whom? and now are pointing fingers about who’s responsible for reunification? well, that doesn’t sound like federal government at all! I’m shocked we’ve found ourselves in this predicament.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DogofWar1 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I kinda checked out after 4pm EST yesterday, was running around like a crazy person and that EO went up and was tryna read it before coming back. So are we all in agreement it doesn't really fix the problem(s)? My read is: - detain everyone - keep kids with family tho - except the Flores agreement only allows detention of kids for so long - but gotta detain anyway - so Congress should override Flores before we're forced to separate kids again - oh and we have no idea what to do with the current kids...so...shhhhhhhh 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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