visionary Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Edited January 29, 2017 by visionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedskinsFan44 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Zazzaro703 said: Sorry but again the Democrats only have themselves to blame. The people who are to blame for.this are the people who voted for Trump. Everything he is doing is what he said he would.do. But I must say his exclusion of countries he has business interests in, particularly Saudi Arabia (home of 19 of the 9/11 hijackers) makes me think he is playing you for.a fool. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGreatBuzz Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 How about we stop trying to assign blame and come together to fix this instead? Blaming people will do nothing to bring us together and that is what we need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedskinsFan44 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, TheGreatBuzz said: How about we stop trying to assign blame and come together to fix this instead? Blaming people will do nothing to bring us together and that is what we need. Did he not campaign on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, Jumbo said: I keep wishing I had the energy to try to star some sort of centrist (original, i know lol) party, trying to take the best thinking and learning from left and right, adding dashes of whatever worked from others...emphasize specific social values sans the religion... sanity, balance, strength, decency, efficacy, transparency (honesty), diversity,...and craft policies that first must actually work pragmatically (or you're fired lol) and expected to feature serious and real compromise more as a rule than not....sorry...all my hard-earned cynicism and i still have moments of starry-eyed hope... Imo, what's wrong with America is that those of us that are in the middle and are reasonable and willing to listen are not represented by either political party. It's a joke and it's sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, RedskinsFan44 said: Did he not campaign on this? Yup. But in my experience throwing blame in someone's face when they **** up isn't the best way to bring people together. How exactly do you think it helps? i just want to bring everyone together against things like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Yup. But in my experience throwing blame in someone's face when they **** up isn't the best way to bring people together. How exactly do you think it helps? i just want to bring everyone together against things like this. I agree that throwing blame around won't help but anyone blaming the Democrats for this can go **** themselves. Sorry not sorry. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, Hersh said: I agree that throwing blame around won't help but anyone blaming the Democrats for this can go **** themselves. Sorry not sorry. My comment was directed at him also. This was for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: My comment was directed at him also. This was for both sides. I'm in agreement. It's Trumps actions that will turn people who voted for him against him. This, health care, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: How about we stop trying to assign blame and come together to fix this instead? Blaming people will do nothing to bring us together and that is what we need. The electorate of enough States to carry the electoral college voted for Trump. Trump is now President for 4 years (barring impeachment). Not much anyone can do to fix that. It is what it is. Next opportunity to clip his wings is the 2018 mid term elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, codeorama said: Imo, what's wrong with America is that those of us that are in the middle and are reasonable and willing to listen are not represented by either political party. Yes they are. Or at least, they were, this last election. Bernie Sanders just came within inches of pulling a Trump, and taking the Dem nomination away from a career politician who has spent the last 20 years running the most massive election campaign ever seen. By pointing out that she doesn't represent the extreme Left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 My question is does the Stay affect only those in route/transit, those detained, or everyone??? What about those who were already turned away? Are they able to re-enter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Yup. But in my experience throwing blame in someone's face when they **** up isn't the best way to bring people together. How exactly do you think it helps? i just want to bring everyone together against things like this. Agreed. That's one reason why I think it's important for the protesters to give the Trumpsters a way to back down from this. If you want the other side to back down, leave them a way to do so. 1 minute ago, brandymac27 said: My question is does the Stay affect only those in route/transit, those detained, or everyone??? What about those who were already turned away? Are they able to re-enter? Assume we'll actually be seeing the exact text, within a few hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Edited January 29, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I don't know who this is, or if it's accurate, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 But the people with green cards who are stuck in Iran, Yemen, etc still can't come here, right? It is a small victory though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, redskins59 said: But the people with green cards who are stuck in Iran, Yemen, etc still can't come here, right? It is a small victory though. I was just talking to others about that. I imagine that is the next court battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redskins59 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, Hersh said: I was just talking to others about that. I imagine that is the next court battle. I hear that they are going to court on Monday too. Perhaps for this battle hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, redskins59 said: But the people with green cards who are stuck in Iran, Yemen, etc still can't come here, right? It is a small victory though. So far, it sounds like it only covers people who have landed here. I'm assuming everyone else is still screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Yeah, I assume that the stay doesn't say that those folks can enter the country. Just that they can't be shipped back. (Yet.) Still. Small steps. Deescalation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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