Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 I don't think completion percentage is all that important: Fun fact: Mark Rypien's completion percentage during the 1991 Superbowl season: 59.1%. That's right, less than 60%. Wow....What were Sammy Baugh's numbers? Football in 1991 is, like, the Dark Ages. One team threw for over 4000 yards that year - the Oilers. 12 teams threw for over 4000 yards last season. Last year the league-wide completion percentage was 63 percent. In 1991, it was 57 percent. In other words, Rypien was above average in 1991 when it came to that stat. Today, he'd be behind Geno Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkman56 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This isn't 1985 any longer. The best teams score points. New England is #1 in third down percentage, but they are #1 in everything. New Orleans, Cleveland, Oakland, Chicago, and your Washington Fighting Snyders are in the top ten. Green Bay is #19. As a team, we have one more first down than Green Bay. They have 47 more points. Are you enjoying our third down efficiency? Do you think the Packers watch tape of Cousins and say, "Aaron...why can't you be more like him?" NFL stats are probably important in terms of baselines. Third down percentage is pretty meaningless....unless you are truly terrible at it. Rushing yards are pretty meaningless.....unless you are truly terrible at it. (Denver is so bad in every offensive category that I fully expect them to go 0-1 in the playoffs). Washington Fighting Snyders , love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 That'd be something Larry Michael would say on his "skintangibles" segment: "Skins gotta convert on 3rd down" <STAFF EDIT, RULE 11 DON'T QUOTE PICS, MEMBER WARNED> I miss Jimmy the Greek's realllly long comparison columns from the late 70's, back when "NFL Today" had sports' best theme song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I wonder if there's a way to make TD-INT more useful. It, as a metric, seemingly measures good QB drives vs. bad QB drives, but the obvious holes keep it from being a true "net positive score" metric. Maybe adding in sacks, where the % of drives that a sack ends up being the pivotal drive sealing play, on the INT side (% of drive ending sack times # of sacks). And then adding in field goals where the QB was instrumental in the drive on the TD side (3/7 * # of FGs * % of field goals QB was instrumental in). That might give a better "Positive QB drives VS. Negative QB drives" perspective than just TD-INT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I don't think its fair to say Cousins can't stretch the field. Last year he and Jackson played four games together start to finish, and Jackson got 100 yards in three of them. There just aren't any other explosive receivers on the team, and the offensive coaching staff can't seem to scheme guys open. I will agree his accuracy has been alarmingly bad the last couple of games, and I'm not really sure why, because the last couple of years his accuracy wasn't really that much of an issue. Maybe the pressure of having to make perfect throws every time because none of our receivers can get separation is getting to him. I'll stick with my theory that he's got some competition anxiety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Would completion percentage be redundant if you are measuring yards per attempt? Because Yards Per Attempt would account for Comp %. If you were measuring yards per completion, I think Comp % would then become relevant. But you're not, so its not. Right? Also, I think there needs to be a baseline number of throws. And I also think that baseline should be relatively high, but not too high. For instance, you'd need a baseline that would allow you to throw out Peyton Manning's 2 first seasons, but would allow you to establish that Matt Stafford is a turd by year 3. Finally, I think TD throws is the most arbitrary stat in existence. I would rather see INT's measured against, say, yards. How about this. (Yards / Attempts) / INT's. So 1 or fewer interceptions is essentially thrown out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFTW Next Year Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 What is amazing is that we spent a lot of last year saying Robert needed to be more like Russell and not take so many sacks/hits. Pretty telling how when the team struggles the QB as playmaker takes more hits in trying to make something happen. At least, that is what the numbers suggest. I posted this in the Cousins is the Man Thread:http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2580572-jay-grudens-commitment-to-kirk-cousins-will-get-him-fired Wow! That is brutal. The graphic with accuracy marks. According to that he has thrown 16 passes over 20 yards and 15 of them have been inaccurate. Confirms the eye test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 TD percentage and INT percentage are more important than TD:INT ratio, although they go hand in hand in a way. TD % shows how efficient a QB's performance is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Would completion percentage be redundant if you are measuring yards per attempt? Because Yards Per Attempt would account for Comp %. If you were measuring yards per completion, I think Comp % would then become relevant. But you're not, so its not. Right? They aren't redundant. QB A is 1-10 for 90 yards. QB B is 9-10 for 90 yards. Same yards per attempt, but you aren't getting the whole story obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I wonder if there's a way to make TD-INT more useful. It's better to look at TD and INT separately because we also need to know TD and INT per game. Let's say a QB finishes with 3 times as many TDs as INTs, which as a ratio is great... unless it's only 9 touchdowns a season. I haven't looked up stats but I'm guessing QBs averaging 2TD per game versus less than 1INT per game would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qdeathstar Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 what a middle of the road, say something we didn't know, topic. There is only one stat that matters.. win percent. Payton manning is last in the league in most of ops stats, but he is still the starter because of the win percent,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Wow....What were Sammy Baugh's numbers? Football in 1991 is, like, the Dark Ages. One team threw for over 4000 yards that year - the Oilers. 12 teams threw for over 4000 yards last season. Last year the league-wide completion percentage was 63 percent. In 1991, it was 57 percent. In other words, Rypien was above average in 1991 when it came to that stat. Today, he'd be behind Geno Smith. Sammy Baugh's completion percentages included years of 62.7, 70.3 and 60.6. And the year after Rypien, Aikman had 63.8 and had 69.1 the year after that, so Rypien's completion percentage wasn't great, the era has littleto do with it (which is why I mentioned other SuperBowl winning QBs with low completion percentages closer to the present). The only difference is there are now a lot more bubble screens and short passes which artificially inflate modern completion percentages. Perhaps you should look at completion percentages for passes over 10 yards in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perez24 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Better add sack percentage to your list of the only stats that matter. And there's never an excuse for a sack other than the QB. Line is always flawless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perez24 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 1.63.9% (61.6%) 2. 7.4 (7.0) 3. 1.74 (0.89) The numbers in brackets are KC's career stats, the other numbers are the career stats of our third stringer. Just sayin'. Through the 1st 15 starts, one of them is 4-11. The other one was 9-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 It's better to look at TD and INT separately because we also need to know TD and INT per game. Let's say a QB finishes with 3 times as many TDs as INTs, which as a ratio is great... unless it's only 9 touchdowns a season. I haven't looked up stats but I'm guessing QBs averaging 2TD per game versus less than 1INT per game would be good. Right. TDs/game and/or TDs/Attempts are definitely important. Ultimately there's no "silver bullet" stat. I still like the idea of TD+FG/INT+Sack as a sort of "positive drives versus negative drives" thing, though I was trying to start compile QB data and that's a lot to sift through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFTW Next Year Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 No matter what stats you use, we rank 29th in the NFL in offensive tds per game. And being ranked #1 in top, that's pretty crazy. Got to figure out a way to get in the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newera Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 With Kirk. Let's call it what it is. He seems to be choking. He can only blame himself. He has been given all the chances in the world to take this job and for whatever reason, just can't seem to sieve it. For his sake, he needs to win Sunday. He needs to call off the dogs. Cuz the mo is building. I think Colt is mentally stronger and is a more resourceful and resliant player. He seems to be tougher minded than Kirk. Kirk doesn't seem to have an edge about him. Personally, I think he needs to have his best game against Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 what a middle of the road, say something we didn't know, topic. There is only one stat that matters.. win percent. Payton manning is last in the league in most of ops stats, but he is still the starter because of the win percent,... 1. You really dropped the "wins is all that matters" hot take into this? Because that's awesome. 2. "Payton" probably should be benched at some point because that team is awesome and he is going to absolutely murder them at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 played behind a line as good as our starters are this year. Scherff and Moses were busts in August, if memory serves. The correct protection and hot route are called, the ball comes out. The ball comes out, the line doesn't have to block as long. It's a give and take. Just like when the running game is effective (and the clock is ticking), the secondary looks amazing (because they aren't on the field). We're really in a rabbit hole over a lot of things with a team that has given you every excuse to take a big picture approach to this season. Try to enjoy improvements. LKB, great thread and great OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Winning percentage is often quoted as the only stat that matters by people who have little to no knowledge of football and who dont care to learn any more about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeBilly Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 We're really in a rabbit hole over a lot of things with a team that has given you every excuse to take a big picture approach to this season. Try to enjoy improvements. I am stoked over the improvements occurring this season. The oline is blossoming right in front of our eyes. Young guys are getting playing time, mid-level draft picks are showing that they deserve some playing time and will at the least be strong backups in the years to come. Our young WRs are also getting playing time and looking like they deserve to be on the field. I expect, like many here do, for us to pick up another #1 type WR this offseason. Our OLB have a lot of promise and our safeties are respectable. Our RBs look pretty good and of course we have the new GM. With all that said, I hope that all players that are playing poorly pretty much every week are benched so that we can see what the next man up can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I am stoked over the improvements occurring this season. The oline is blossoming right in front of our eyes. Young guys are getting playing time, mid-level draft picks are showing that they deserve some playing time and will at the least be strong backups in the years to come. Our young WRs are also getting playing time and looking like they deserve to be on the field. I expect, like many here do, for us to pick up another #1 type WR this offseason. Our OLB have a lot of promise and our safeties are respectable. Our RBs look pretty good and of course we have the new GM. With all that said, I hope that all players that are playing poorly pretty much every week are benched so that we can see what the next man up can do. Re-read my first sentence in the previous response. Does the o-line (which was heavily criticized in the preseason) "blossom" or do they go back to being heavily criticized? Do the WRs look like they have grown if they aren't getting the ball (albeit inaccurately)? These are big picture things that a professional team might look at weighing at the expense of other things. Especially when you are being honest about where you are as a franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempre_victrix Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 What's baffling to me is the accuracy issue. Has it really been this bad before? In my opinion, he has had trouble with hitting crossing receivers in stride since day 1. It has always been my biggest knock on him. Not sure if he simply has trouble adjusting to the speed of pro receivers. Whatever it is, Gruden needs to recognize it and devise a way to fix it. Spend entire practices throwing crossing routes, hynopsis,witchdoctor. Something........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 They aren't redundant. QB A is 1-10 for 90 yards. QB B is 9-10 for 90 yards. Same yards per attempt, but you aren't getting the whole story obviously. It seems like you tried to find an extreme hypothetical to prove your point, but it still boils down to two QBs who threw the same number of passes and produced the same amount of offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 I often wonder about Kirk's YPA. It seemed under Shanahan and last year, Cousins was completing passes regularly down the field. Now it seems like he rarely throws more than 10 yards. I supposed it's Gruden catering the offense to Kirk's quick decision making strengths but we aren't scoring TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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