The Gun Control Debate Thread

[tshile]

There’s so many laughably bad quotes when these bills come out. It’s on both sides but this one got me good this morning 

 

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“The idea that you can take away somebody’s rights without due process as the bill that Speaker Pelosi is bringing to the floor under the name Red Flag is unconstitutional, violates multiple sections of our Constitution that give Americans the right to due process,” Scalise said.

 

“Airplanes were used that day as the weapon to kill thousands of people and to inflict terror on our country. There wasn’t a conversation about banning airplanes,” he told reporters Wednesday.

 

 

right we just created Homeland Security, reworked our entire intelligence/law enforcement hierarchy, redesigned our planes to prevent access to the pilots while in flight, started 2 wars in 2 different countries, created/beefed up no fly lists, created mass domestic spying programs, and increased airport security to the point you have to show up 2 hours before your flight just to get through all the security in time to make your flight. 
 

but I suppose technically you’re correct - no one seriously considered banning airplanes. 

Edited July 31, 2022 by tshile

[China]

EDITED: original post was in the wrong thread.

 

Someone needed bullet control:

 

Dallas man shoots woman and kills self with same shot

 

A shooting turned deadly Saturday morning when a man hit his own leg with a bullet after he shot a woman in the neck.

 

On July 30 at about 11:39 a.m., Dallas police were called to the 2200 block of Medical District in response to a shooting.

 

When they arrived on the scene, officers saw a large amount of blood and a trail in front of an apartment unit, but nobody was in the apartment.

 

At that time, another call came in from a nearby hospital about a man and woman found outside in a vehicle with gunshot wounds.

 

Investigators determined that the man, identified at Byron Redmon, 26, shot the woman in the neck. The bullet exited and hit Redmon in the leg, and he died at the hospital.

 

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Edited August 1, 2022 by China

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[CobraCommander]

What is Gun Support?

[China]

1 hour ago, CobraCommander said:

What is Gun Support?

 

 

[purbeast]

52 minutes ago, China said:

 

 

That is not what she says in that video at all.

[China]

Caught on video: Norco store owner blasts armed robber with shotgun; 3 arrested

 

A would-be robber was critically injured after being shot by a store owner in Norco early Sunday in a dramatic incident that was captured on surveillance video.

 

An employee who reached out to KTLA said the video shows a man armed with an assault-style rifle walk into the Norco Market at 816 Sixth Street around 2:45 a.m., point the weapon at the owner, and order him to put his “hands in the air.”

 

Within just a few seconds, the owner steps behind a glass display and fires a shotgun at the suspect, who immediately runs out of the store screaming and shouting, “He shot my arm off!”

Officials later indicated that three men entered the store armed with long guns and wearing facial coverings and hoods.

 

A second camera in the parking lot shows the suspect jump into a dark-colored BMW SUV with at least three accomplices and then drive away.

 

Four suspects were later found at a hospital. One of the men “was suffering from a gunshot wound consistent with a shotgun blast,” according to the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department. The 23-year-old remains hospitalized in critical but stable condition and will be booked into jail after being released, officials said.

 

The suspect vehicle, which had been reported stolen, was also found at the hospital. Inside the dark-colored BMW SUV authorities found numerous stolen firearms.

 

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[China]

The old carrot and stick.  First, give them lots of money to vote against gun control legislation, and penalize them if the do vote for gun control legislation.

 

Texas county GOP censures John Cornyn and demands 'immediate resignation' over gun safety vote

 

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, who was first elected to the U.S. Senate in 2002, has a very right-wing voting record. But in the Trumpified Republican Party of 2022, it isn’t uncommon for arch-conservative Republicans to be told that they aren’t conservative enough — and the 70-year-old GOP senator now finds himself being formally censured by the Collin County, Texas Republican Party.

 

On Monday, August 1, according to Dallas Morning News reporter Emily Caldwell, the Collin County GOP “passed a resolution” to censure Cornyn “over actions the party believes run counter to the core principles of the Republican Party of Texas, including his work on recent federal gun violence legislation.”

 

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[Califan007 The Constipated]

On 8/1/2022 at 12:23 PM, purbeast said:

That is not what she says in that video at all.

 

What did she say?

[China]

How American

[Renegade7]

6 hours ago, China said:

How American

 

People showing off their handguns in malls is becoming more common it seems, had incidents in two NOVA malls this year alone.

 

That seems more of a case of coming after who should or should not have guns at all vs which guns people should have.

[China]

The NRA’s Shadowy Supreme Court Lobbying Campaign

 

n the first week of September 2018, during Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings, the National Rifle Association’s board gathered for its final meeting of the year across the Potomac at the Westin Arlington Gateway hotel. The NRA was campaigning hard in support of Kavanaugh, whose confirmation would instantly shift power on the court in the group’s favor, and in anticipation, the trustees of an NRA legal fund approved $360,000 to back a slate of lawsuits, hoping to propel cases to the court.

 

Nearly four years later, the effort paid off. In an expansive June 23 ruling, the Supreme Court sided with the NRA in one of those cases, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. As a result, millions more Americans will likely set about their daily lives armed with a gun and a range of firearm laws enacted by states, towns and cities nationwide will be struck down because they do not match firearms restrictions of earlier eras closely enough.

 

At the same 2018 meeting in Arlington, the NRA legal fund also awarded a $12,000 grant to gun rights lawyer David T. Hardy, a supplement to the $15,000 that the fund had given him four months earlier to support his work on a book about mass killings, according to minutes that the NRA filed last year in a Texas bankruptcy court. Filings in that case and IRS disclosures show that the legal fund has awarded Hardy grants totaling more than $750,000 since 2002, though the full amount may be higher (the filings detail only a portion of recent grants). A former NRA official familiar with the arrangement who was given anonymity in order to speak candidly, said that in addition to the grants, Hardy was long paid sums directly from the budget of NRA boss Wayne LaPierre, who was the best man at Hardy’s 1982 wedding. What appear to be internal budget documents released by a Russian cybercrime crew in October following its hack of the NRA list Hardy as a consultant and state that LaPierre’s office allocated $60,000 for him in 2021.

 

In July of 2021, Hardy submitted a brief to the Supreme Court arguing in support of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., which is a state affiliate of the NRA. (Though its affiliate’s name is on the case, the NRA funded Bruen, which was filed through the NRA’s Office of Litigation Counsel, according to NRA meeting minutes.)

 

Hardy filed the amicus, or “friend-of-the-court,” brief as counsel of record to a PAC affiliated with the Firearms Policy Coalition and other assorted organizations opposed to additional gun restrictions. He did not disclose the financial support he has long-received from the NRA.

 

Hardy’s connection to the NRA is not unique. An examination of the 49 pro-NRA amicus briefs filed in Bruen, along with court and IRS filings, shows that over the last two decades, the NRA has given financial support to at least 12 of the groups and individuals who lobbied the court on its behalf. That’s nearly a quarter. Though a full accounting is impossible, some recipients collected several million dollars from the NRA during that period and before filing briefs in Bruen. Only one of those 12 briefs disclosed the connection, meaning that neither the justices nor the public were told that 11 of these ostensibly independent voices owed their livelihoods in part to the NRA, the interest group behind the case. In his majority opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas adopted many of the arguments and conclusions offered in the amicus briefs filed by these NRA-funded allies, including Hardy’s.

 

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[CousinsCowgirl84]

On 8/1/2022 at 3:23 PM, purbeast said:

That is not what she says in that video at all.

I hate hearing her speak but I do wonder what she actually said… 

[China]

Clearwater man wielded assault rifle during parking dispute, police say

 

A man held an assault rifle and threatened to shoot someone over a parking dispute in July, the Clearwater Police Department said Friday.

 

According to a witness affidavit, the unnamed man was in the area of 1311 Boylan Avenue in Clearwater working on a lawn on July 7 when Berry came outside of his home and began yelling at the man for blocking Berry’s driveway with an equipment trailer.

 

Berry then went to his truck, got an assault rifle and pointed it at the man in a “threatening manner,” the affidavit said.

 

 

In late July, Berry’s weapons were seized by the Clearwater Police Department and the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office through a risk protection order, police said in a Friday media release. Sometimes called a “red-flag order,” risk protection orders allow a judge to order a person’s weapons to be seized.

 

“If the suspect had a problem with how someone was parking, he should have called the police and let us handle it,” Clearwater Police Chief Dan Slaughter said in the media release. “You don’t arm yourself with an assault rifle and threaten someone over something so trivial.”

 

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Gun companies emphasize masculinity and make veiled references to white supremacist groups to sell AR-15-style rifles, congressional committee report says

 

Leading gunmakers made more than $1 billion from selling AR-15-style semiautomatic weapons in the last decade, a report from the House Committee on Oversight and Reform says.

 

These companies use "aggressive marketing tactics" to target young men by emphasizing masculinity, making veiled references to white supremacist groups, and touting military-grade weaponry, the committee report said.

 

"The business practices of these gun manufacturers are deeply disturbing, exploitative, and reckless," Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney, committee chairwoman, said in a statement.

 

Ryan Busse, a former firearms executive who is now a senior policy adviser to gun-safety advocacy group Giffords Law Center, told Insider that it is crucial to examine the ways that gun companies market their weapons.

 

Busse noted the change in how guns had been pitched over the years – from an emphasis on hunting and self-defense to selling military-grade weapons and tactical culture.

 

"The [gun] industry is both creating these customers and marketing to them. And therefore, it's propagating more of this radicalization," Ryan Busse said.

 

Busse, who testified before the House committee last week, said that the revenue size is not surprising but what is important is "the dangerous ways that AR-15s are intertwined with political radicalization."

 

The House committee began its investigation into the top five firearm makers in the country in May following the mass shootings in Buffalo, New York, and Uvalde, Texas, that left 31 victims dead. Both gunmen used legally purchased semiautomatic rifles.

 

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[China]

So is the kind of firearms training that we should be conducting?  Show them that getting shot hurts?

 

Meriden teen accidentally shot by father: police/

 

A Meriden teenager was accidentally shot with a handgun on Friday, according to police.

 

Meriden police responded to the scene on Forest Avenue just after 3 p.m. and located a 17-year-old male who had been shot once in the area of his shoulder and chest on the right side of his body.

 

Police said the teen had been shot by his father who had been showing him the handgun. The father of the teen told police he was planning to get his son acclimated to firearms so he could begin firearms training at a local range in the near future.

 

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Student killed in shootout with female robbers living off the grid with armed 5-year-old in Alabama forest

 

A student has been killed in a shootout with a pair of alleged female robbers who were living off the grid in an Alabama forest with a five-year-old boy who then confronted responding law enforcement with a loaded shotgun.

 

Adam Simjee, 22, was shot dead on Sunday morning in the Talladega National Forest close to Cheaha State Park in east Alabama after setting off on a road trip with his 20-year-old girlfriend Mikayla Paulus.

 

The young couple from Florida, who were enjoying a vacation together before they planned to go off to the University of Central Florida together next week, were driving along National Forestry Road 600-3 when Yasmine Hider flagged down their vehicle, according to Clay County Sheriff’s Office.

 

Ms Hider allegedly claimed that her car had broken down and asked them to help her.

 

But when the unsuspecting couple went to help, Ms Hider pulled out a gun and ordered them to walk into the woods, authorities said.

 

Ms Paulus recounted in terrifying detail to ABC3340 how the attacker then ordered her and her boyfriend of four years to drop their cellphones into the woods and hand over their banking passwords.

 

As they were being held at gunpoint, authorities said that Mr Simjee pulled out his own concealed handgun and a shootout erupted between him and the alleged robber.

 

The 22-year-old student suffered a single fatal gunshot wound, while Ms Hider was also shot multiple times including in the torso.

 

While Ms Paulus desperately tried to save her longtime boyfriend by tying a tourniquet around his gunshot wound, she told police that she spotted another woman – Krystal Pinkins – lurking in the woods watching the chaos unfold.

 

Ms Hider and Ms Pinkins – who investigators said may have been part of a violent, armed gang living in the forest – briefly spoke to each other, police said.

 

Then, instead of helping her apparent accomplice or a dying Mr Simjee, Ms Pinkins allegedly fled from the scene.

 

Ms Paulus managed to find her cellphone in the woods and called 911 for help.

 

In a bizarre twist to the tragedy, investigators were soon tipped off that there “may be” a group of “armed and potentially violent” people “living off the grid” somewhere in the National Forest close to where the attack took place.

 

Multiple law enforcement agencies combed the area for the gang and – after several hours – they closed in on an encampment just half a mile from the deadly shooting where the two alleged suspects are believed to have been living.

 

When officers approached the tents, they spotted a woman – later identified as Ms Pinkins – standing close by.

 

As they were ordering the suspect to the ground, authorities said that her five-year-old son ran out of the woods holding a loaded shotgun.

 

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[Renegade7]

Holy ****, really???

 

 

 

[tshile]

She’s got her own YouTube channel according to the comments. 
 

kinda cool 

[China]

Gun accidentally fires inside Lovejoy Walmart injuring 4 people, police say

 

The Lovejoy Police Department said four people were shot at the Walmart on Tara Boulevard in Hampton. Two people were hospitalized and two were treated for injuries at the scene. 

 

No one's injuries are deemed life-threatening, police said.

 

Police said a man in the store accidentally shot himself and the bullet ricocheted and hit three other people in the store. 

 

Police said the gun owner will likely be charged with reckless conduct.

 

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[Larry]

 

[China]

AP-NORC poll: Most in US say they want stricter gun laws

 

Most U.S. adults want to see gun laws made stricter and think gun violence is increasing nationwide, according to a new poll that finds broad public support for a variety of gun restrictions, including many that are supported by majorities of Republicans and gun owners.

 

The poll by the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households.

 

The poll was conducted between July 28 and Aug. 1, after a string of deadly mass shootings — from a New York grocery store to a school in Texas and a July 4 parade in Illinois — and a 2020 spike in gun killings that have increased attention on the issue of gun violence. Overall, 8 in 10 Americans perceive that gun violence is increasing around the country, and about two-thirds say it's increasing in their state, though less than half believe it's increasing in their community, the poll shows.

 

The question of how to prevent such violence has long divided politicians and many voters, making it difficult to change gun laws. In June, a conservative majority on the Supreme Court expanded gun rights, finding a constitutional right to carry firearms in public for self-defense.

 

Later that same month, President Joe Biden signed a bipartisan gun safety bill. The package, approved in the wake of shootings like the one that killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas, was both a measured compromise and the most significant bill addressing gun violence to be approved in Congress in decades — an indication of how intractable the issue has become.

 

The poll finds that majorities of U.S. adults view both reducing gun violence and protecting gun ownership as important issues.

 

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Thanks NRA!  You've bought the politicians, so we know...

 

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[LD0506]

Obviously Wendy's needs to be arming their drive thru workers