MattFancy Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Montana for me. 4-0 in SBs, 11 TDs and ZERO Ints. Yes, he had the greatest WR in the game, but outside of Rice, who was elite? None of his other WRs were great and most of the TEs in SF were good, not great. RBs? Maybe Roger Craig and briefly Wendell Tyler, but nothing to write home about. Are people honestly saying that Marino had no one to throw to? Let me throw out a few names: Mark Duper, Mark Clayton, Irving Fryer, Nat Moore, OJ McDuffie to name a few. Neither of those guys are Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne or Randy Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Montana....it has to be Joe Montana. The 92 yd game winning drive in SB XXIII cements it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Montana for me. 4-0 in SBs, 11 TDs and ZERO Ints. Yes, he had the greatest WR in the game, but outside of Rice, who was elite? None of his other WRs were great and most of the TEs in SF were good, not great. RBs? Maybe Roger Craig and briefly Wendell Tyler, but nothing to write home about. Are people honestly saying that Marino had no one to throw to? Let me throw out a few names: Mark Duper, Mark Clayton, Irving Fryer, Nat Moore, OJ McDuffie to name a few. I guess, but that defense was elite. And of course saying "just Jerry Rice" is a big plus. Also that system was revolutionary, which cannot be understated. Also, those WRs became great with Marino. He was throwing to garbage men at the end of his time and still putting up numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The single most impressive quarterbacking feat I ever saw involved Dan Marino on some kind of quarterbacks challenge on Wide World of Sports or something. I dunno. It was some Sunday afternoon show in the summer. Anyway, he was awe-inspiring. I go with Marino. Or Dan Pastorini. But probably Marino. Montana for me. 4-0 in SBs, 11 TDs and ZERO Ints. Yes, he had the greatest WR in the game, but outside of Rice, who was elite? None of his other WRs were great and most of the TEs in SF were good, not great. RBs? Maybe Roger Craig and briefly Wendell Tyler, but nothing to write home about. I always found Roger Craig to be legitimately terrifying. Anyway, those 49ers teams were just loaded with talent. But Montana was good. No Pastorini but he was good. Bradshaw has the rings and def, derves a top 10 mention. not the best ever but the dude just knew how to win. You gotta know how to win to be eliite. The T in ELITE stands for "TO KNOW HOW TO WIN." The last E, of course, stands for "ELITE." Also, you need to play within yourself. There is no letter for that for some reason. We need a better word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGoonie55 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Great thoughts in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Neither of those guys are Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne or Randy Moss No one is Jerry Rice. But they were all considered great WRs during their years. You can't compare them to receivers today. 80 catches was spectacular in the 80s. That is considered above average now as 100 catches is where the bar is set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PF Chang Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Difficult to say without being able to truly isolate the QB's influence. Brady and Montana were part of teams with two of the best and most innovative coaches of all time. Aaron Rodgers has Mike McCarthy - flip Belichick for McCarthy and the Packers would have won this Super Bowl. If Carroll runs the ball that last play and wins, is Tom Brady a worse QB than he was a second before that play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 If Carroll runs the ball that last play and wins, is Tom Brady a worse QB than he was a second before that play? Absolutely. Because a winner would have won. Granted, he did win.....which makes him a winner. But my point is a valid one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 No one is Jerry Rice. But they were all considered great WRs during their years. You can't compare them to receivers today. 80 catches was spectacular in the 80s. That is considered above average now as 100 catches is where the bar is set. I see your point. I'm not saying the guys Marino played with were crap, just that they weren't the quality of WRs the guys I'm comparing Marino too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Brady finally pulled ahead of Flacco with the win on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 i have marino and elway juggling between #1a and #1b. in both instances they WERE their teams. the whole team. Elway gets a lot of extra credit from many (but not so much from me) for teh superbowls he eventually won. But he was just an adequate QB on very good teams by that time. he was INCREDIBLE on the broncos teams that lost all of those superbowls in the 80s, and marino was INCREDIBLE during that same time period. Either one of them could actually make noise with the current deplorable redskins roster... and just about nobody else in the universe could (perhaps Steve Young could, for the short couple of seasons where he totally peaked?) I came in here to vote for Elway. For exactly the reasons you listed. Heck, the guy had his receivers complaining because he threw too hard. Hurt their hands. And scrambling? I still have really fond memories of a MNF game I watched. Broncos against the Jets. At the time, they were billing themselves as "The New York Sack Exchange". Elway would take the ball. Drop back 5 steps. And there would be two Jets through the line, before he even stopped dropping back. And he'd dodge them and make them miss and run around, and eventually, when he's like 20 yards behind LoS, being chased by four defenders, and about to go out of bounds, . . . . He'd throw a bullet to a receiver who's 20 yards past the LoS, on the opposite sideline, and hit the guy in both hands. And it would go through the receiver's hands. I don't think I've ever seen a more glaring example of a superstar QB who just wasn't getting any help from his team, at all. The Elway who won those two Super Bowls? Was nowhere near as good as the Elway who lost four of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins3D Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It's gotta be Tom. Who are these Great WR he has? Moss, the year he didn't win and Welker cost him one. Gronk may be a HoFer one day, but they has more to do with Tom Brady than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Gronk may be a HoFer one day, but they has more to do with Tom Brady than anything else. Not so sure about that, Gronk is a beast who would thrive on any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Out of the guys i have really been able to watch Brady is the guy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It's gotta be Tom. Who are these Great WR he has? Moss, the year he didn't win and Welker cost him one. Gronk may be a HoFer one day, but they has more to do with Tom Brady than anything else. yeah, Brady's first 3 super bowls were won with no elite offensive talent outside of Corey Dillon. Gronk is def a HOFer without Brady tho. He a matchup problem. Only ST21 could cover him, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 sorry, Marino was great but he never won the big one. He gets a mention in the top 15 but with no rings... no go. Top 15........you couldn't be further off if you tried. I hate Marino, but football is the ultimate team sport, he was never surrounded by greatness, mediocre and average running backs, average/good above average WR corps (over the years it varied). Guy was putting up Madden video game numbers out of the gate in the 80s until he retired. Putting up 5000+ yards in 1984 was unheard of back then. It was a defense/run first league. Not to mention, defensive backs could literally mug receivers and PI was rarely called, much less defensive holding after 5 yards. Those guys got physical, down and dirty every play. Granted, every great QB in that era would benefit from today's rules. But, to say that he is not top 5-7 is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Tom Brady currently has the juice But it will eventually be Aaron Rodgers. barring an injury. Glad somebody else said it. Right now Brady is the man... but Aaron Rodgers is a freaking MONSTER!!!! He carved Seattle on one leg and should have beaten them. His team lost, but the way he moved GB into FG ranged in like 30 seconds against Seattle was incredible. If they got the ball back in OT, I bet he would have scored a TD. But like I said, Brady is the man right now. One thing people don't mention about him is that he pretty much has been getting better as a QB every year since 2001. He always seems to become better. He could probably play 3 more years at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 No option for Frank Reich or Scott Zolak, Matt? Frank Reich Mr. Biggest comeback in NFL Playoff history. Plus Frank is a Terrapin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 vote for Steve Young. He's the best I ever saw play, and he did it behind some terrible offensive lines that had him running for his life at the moment the ball was snapped. Led the league in passing year after year while being the best running QB of his time. Never got the credit he deserved because of the long shadow of Saint Joe Montana, who while great, was also a bit overrated. Young Brady Marino Manning Montana Elway Aaron Rogers may eventually pass them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 To be the best you have to have the rings along with regular season stats, IMO. Who cares if you pass for 5,000 yards in a season if you get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs? Winners Win. Its all about the Lombardi. Brady, Montana are tied at the top. Elway and then a few others. The Brady Manning debate is OVER. sorry, Marino was great but he never won the big one. He gets a mention in the top 15 but with no rings... no go. Bradshaw has the rings and def, derves a top 10 mention. not the best ever but the dude just knew how to win. Boy, I disagree with almost every word of this post. It's interesting how people can view the same question and reach such different conclusions. Bradshaw was a mediocrity who was carried to 4 rings by the greatest collection of talent and dynasty of all time. For his career, he had as many interceptions as touchdowns, and a career rating of 70.9. He was never the best QB in football when he played, not even for one season. He wasn't remotely as good as other QBs of his era, such as Roger Staubach, Dan Fouts or Fran Tarkenton. He just played on superior teams. And Marino barely in the top 15. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 ..... Bradshaw has the rings and def, derves a top 10 mention. not the best ever but the dude just knew how to win. ... yup, he sure discovered the formula: surround yourself with the best team-mates (relative to peers) in the superbowl era of the NFL. So.. i guess what i am saying is that I assume what YOU are saying is that bradshaw should be a lock in discussions of the "greatest of all time" as a mystic ghost GM of sorts? (that ALSO occasionally played some QB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I came in here to vote for Elway. For exactly the reasons you listed. Heck, the guy had his receivers complaining because he threw too hard. Hurt their hands. And scrambling? I still have really fond memories of a MNF game I watched. Broncos against the Jets. At the time, they were billing themselves as "The New York Sack Exchange". Elway would take the ball. Drop back 5 steps. And there would be two Jets through the line, before he even stopped dropping back. And he'd dodge them and make them miss and run around, and eventually, when he's like 20 yards behind LoS, being chased by four defenders, and about to go out of bounds, . . . . He'd throw a bullet to a receiver who's 20 yards past the LoS, on the opposite sideline, and hit the guy in both hands. And it would go through the receiver's hands. I don't think I've ever seen a more glaring example of a superstar QB who just wasn't getting any help from his team, at all. The Elway who won those two Super Bowls? Was nowhere near as good as the Elway who lost four of em. The Three Amigos? And the Broncos defense carried that team in the 1980s. If you compare their numbers against their peers, Elway looks more like Eli Manning. Elway made a lot of mistakes and cost them as well. He just wasnt as great as everyone wants to believe. Also, no Fran Tarkenton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 And the Broncos defense carried that team in the 1980s. If you compare their numbers against their peers, Elway looks more like Eli Manning. talk about NEVER wanting to be taken serious again..on ANY subject. Ever. (you just pulled the football equivalent of comparing a modern-day american politician to Hitler) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawBBQSauce Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Bom Trady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGoonie55 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Just goes to show you the wide chasm between different people's views. Some good banter in here, but my choice hasn't swayed. Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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