chipwhich Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Either way I predict a lot of season ticket holders dropping this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Its the move you have to make at the end of the day. I will say Jay better have a near perfect offseason. This means cutting the buddy ties with Haslett and have a long look in the mirror. Team deficiencies aside Jay never got the most out of his players this year. At times he has like the first half of the Giants game, but playing just 30 to 45 minutes of football seems all to common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 This is a good move. He should get only one more year to turn things around. If we suck next year, time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm ok with Gruden being back next year if this is true. Jettisoning him and going through this whole thing again would be even worse, IMO. However, Haslett has GOT to go. Please, for the love of god. I would love to see Allen shown the door as well. The guy brings absolutely nothing to the table besides his name. Hopefully the "good ole boy" network that we have here can be undone, so we can get competent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFC Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I like this move. Not only does it send a good message to other future coaches but I think Jay can end up doing some good things here. I hope Haz is gone after this year, that will really bother me if they keep him, and hope they get a good GM and promote Bruce to do the things he does well. If we have a good draft and offseason, coaches and players, then we might have a chance to build something great here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm curious as to who actually made this call. If it came from Bruce, he can be nervous again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Didn't I read somewhere that Gruden and Griffin are actually neighbors? That must be awkward these days. ------------ Edit: Yep. From July 29, 2014. such an innocent time, long long ago: The Grudens moved into their new home in June, after their youngest son, Jack, finished his sophomore year of high school in Ohio, where Gruden had spent the previous three seasons as the Cincinnati Bengals’ offensive coordinator. One night soon after their move-in, the Grudens needed to borrow some ice. So they called the neighbor across the street, a nice young man with a nice young wife. The Grudens were all out on the porch, immersed in a game of Scattergories, when Jack spotted someone creeping through the house. All of a sudden, the young neighbor, Robert Griffin III, came bursting out into the porch, holding a bag of ice, and laughing uncontrollably at the stunned looks at the Grudens’ faces. “He goes, ‘Game night at the Grudens!’ ” Sherry Gruden says. “And he sat down and played with us for awhile.” “No,” Jay Gruden corrects her. “He won the first game, then got up and left.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/07/29/jay-gruden-and-robert-griffin-iii-are-neighbors/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Just as likely this was leaked to Russini from Gruden's camp so they'd look even worse for firing him in three weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Just as likely this was leaked to Russini from Gruden's camp so they'd look even worse for firing him in three weeks. It's always the "bad guys" that leak stuff. You know, those rotten ****s that are ruining this franchise. Mike Nolan, Shanny, Gruden, Lavar, Gregg Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I usually err on the side of stability but stability for the sake of stability, if you truly believe the coach is inept and/or in over is head is crazy, and just prolonging the inevitable feels like a crazy move. I just hope this isn't an Allen-buddy-with-Gruden thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 If Gruden, Allen, and Hazlett are all back next year : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 It's always the "bad guys" that leak stuff. You know, those rotten ****s that are ruining this franchise. Mike Nolan, Shanny, Gruden, Lavar, Gregg Williams. Agreed, The thing that gets me all the time is even with below average talent we could field a competitive team. All that would be required is coaches getting the most out of their players, and getting players to just play hard, consistent, and relatively error free football. Instead we have this drama filled soap opera of a football team that enjoys being 3-10 with a fair number of people that seem to think their job is starting crap in the media..........I guess that's ego's for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hammer Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Glad to hear Grudens given more than a year. If Hasletts retain I'll be singing a different tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo'sRangers Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Really great news. I am excited. Really. This team and regime has just lost me at this point. I've been a fan since 1971. A constant, loyal fan through everything, good & bad. I'm just tired of groundhog day. We are going to retain a coach who does not believe he needs to motivate players. He has not proven to be a QB guru, or perhaps we are just terrible at the position. I guess we shall see. No position has improved this year; QB, offense, defense, special teams, nothing. I have just lost all enthusiasm and if Jay IS our coach, he needs to change, in many ways. He has been very poor in every respect, but I hope for the best. httr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 It's always the "bad guys" that leak stuff. You know, those rotten ****s that are ruining this franchise. Mike Nolan, Shanny, Gruden, Lavar, Gregg Williams. One of these things is not like the others.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 One of these things is not like the others.... There are leaks every year meant to make people look bad. There is one common denominator. Can you pinpoint the common denominator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Gruden sucks, but I'm okay with this. We need some stability, and I'm willing to give the guy a chance. Now I hope this doesn't mean Griffin is done, as I think giving up on him so early in his career would be a big mistake. I've been saying all along the best case scenario is that both are here next year. We're halfway there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 This...I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, presenting yourself as a coaching carousel is not a good thing, it makes the established talent stay far away unless they're looking to cash in and hit the beach in 2 years. In that regard, letting Gruden have another year to make this his team helps. On the other hand, I don't know if Gruden will improve anything. He doesn't seem to have an idea of how to make the offense work with the pieces he has, it looks like he'll need to replace most of the pieces and head towards a Cinci-esque offense to find success, most importantly by finding an Andy Dalton 2.0. And that's where the biggest problem lies. I don't think Andy Dalton 2.0 exists anywhere for us to get until at least 2016 (not in the NFL, and not in the draft), which means this 2nd year could ultimately be nothing but a lame duck year. Mix that with a GM who isn't a player guy and the result is he's probably leaning on Gruden and his coaches to help him make picks (along with the scouts, who are of...questionable ability). The same coaches who are likely to be fired with another bad year. So of Gruden has another bad year and get fired, not only will we not have found anything close to a coaching solution, we probably won't have built the roster much, and what we have built will be around Jay's systems, which might not be the next guy's systems. And if Haslett is still here... ... .......I mean, I got nuthin'. There is nothing I can say about Haslett being here next year that doesn't make me just want to give up living. It's like, would that even be real life? Would I even be able to feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 There are leaks every year meant to make people look bad. There is one common denominator. Can you pinpoint the common denominator? Not disagreeing with you at all. But Lavar doesn't belong on any list that has guys with any kind of actual argument in their favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Not disagreeing with you at all. But Lavar doesn't belong on any list that has guys with any kind of actual argument in their favor. Well Lavar was on there because of his contract dispute because of a supposed bonus that disappeared in the transactions. Having been through multiple legal transactions where a number of agreements get modified back and forth with the idea that nothing fishy has been done, I understand how it might happen. Either every person we deal with that has a gripe is a lying cheating no good ****er, OR, as a franchise we are rotten to the core. As I have said in other posts, one day I will post a thread laying out every year Snyder has owned the team and showing how a person or persons name/reputation was attempted to be slandered. It's embarrassing. Gruden is the latest. Not that I am saying he is a good coach, but man that bus is out to run him over. Meanwhile Bruce Allen and his harvest fest and Dan are just innocent by god. Did I mention Arch Deluxe? Norv Turner? Charley Casserly? Who was the linebacker that was a folding lawn chair? Haynesworth? I mean we sign them up with stupid deals, then we blame them for the stupid deals we make. It's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo'sRangers Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 There are leaks every year meant to make people look bad. There is one common denominator. Can you pinpoint the common denominator? Damn. This is so true. We have been a dysfunctional mess for so long. Dan, and I blindly supported him for years, has ultimately created this mess. God help us all if he is supposed to be Moses leading us out to salvation. It's like following Fred Phelps. Ok, Fred was (is?) worse, but still.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I just get the feeling that keeping Gruden is just wasting more time with Allen and Haslett here, both are wastes and we will likely never find out if Gruden is any good anyway with this setup so BLOW IT THE **** UP!!! If I had to bet though, based on Gruden's schemes his offense would be good with Peyton Manning running it so yeah lets go find the next Manning. While a coach like Shanahan can get away with somebody like Plummer or currently a guy like Sanchez or Cutler. If Gruden was smart he'd be all in for fixing Cousins but apparently that's not happening so really Gruden is a waste here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Remember Jeremiah Trotter? Jason Taylor? Thrown under the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 It's always the "bad guys" that leak stuff. Unless you can actually identify good guys in this organization, then I'm going to feel safe in assuming all leaks are coming from the bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottlo34 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Who cares??? Who is the fricken GM gonna be??? Until that happens this is all for naught. You ain't pulling the wool over my eyes again Danny. No GM means the same insanity again next year. I wonder what GM in his right mid would bring back a head coach and a quarterback who got along as wonderfully as Jay and Robert did this year. The wheels on the little burgundy and gold bus just keep going round and round. Absolutely pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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