Rufus T Firefly Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 What about Urban Meyer? Great eye for talent, very adept at turning around programs expediently. A hotshot former Florida Gators coach? What could go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I wouldn't want him here. He has zero interest in developing QBs properly. How do you know this? Braxton Miller has looked good throwing and Kenny Guiton played pretty sick when he needed to step in for Braxton's injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 How do you know this? Braxton Miller has looked good throwing and Kenny Guiton played pretty sick when he needed to step in for Braxton's injuries. He never cared about developing guys mechanics. He gets a great athlete at QB, rides them to a title because they're hard for college teams to defend but completely disregards their NFL futures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 VP of Football Ops - Bruce Allen GM - Morocco Brown (Scott Campbell as Asst GM) HC - David Shaw...I know he said he wasn't interested in leaving Stanford but what was he supposed to say? He fits exactly the profile I think this team needs in it's next HC...He's young, offensive minded, and believes in physical football and attention to detail. .. I'm not sure as far as a staff is concerned, but I'd be comfortable with Shaw picking his staff and going from there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 True story I used to listen Mangini's pressers when he was with the Browns, great football mind and surprisingly forthright and patient with the press. He would often explain X's and O's. Maybe time and opportunity.....nah you're prolly right about the bad blood Isn't the problem with RG3 that he's too honest with the press? Is this really what we want from our front office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Isn't the problem with RG3 that he's too honest with the press? Is this really what we want from our front office?forthright and patient? No that is not the problem with Griffin and the press.And yes I would want my HC to give forthright and patient press conferences. Mangini didn't give the media any fodder (bellichick style) his pressers actually prevented the media from going off script but he did it through X's and O's. And I want Mangini as DC not HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 He didn't say Mike asks for certain individual players--like, "I want Hankerson". That would invalidate the entire need for scouts in the first place, throughout the process. Shanahan makes the final decision, everyone knows that. But I assume that's from a list the scouting department puts together, otherwise he'd just be picking the guys. Which may be the case. But what LL said was that they give Brown a type of player, a "blueprint" for guys that fit their schemes, and he follows it. If Shanahan is picking specific players, the failure is on him. But the contention seems to be that the entire TYPE of players Shanahan asks for are wrong--unless he's a complete moron, I don't see how that's possible. Other teams run our schemes as well, and even if Shanahan likes very specific things, are you guys really saying that those players mostly suck through no fault of Brown's at all? Shanahan asks for whatever he prefers within the strata of "ZBS lineman". Okay. Then every single one sucks and completely fails to ever challenge the incumbent below-average journeyman starter. If Brown is finding these guys based on Shanahan's "wants", how does he not share some blame when he isn't finding impact players within those confines? What is Shanahan asking for that is just so incompetent that it absolves Brown of any responsibility for our drafts? I'd really say that some of Shanny's mold of players are wrong. Like, we've been talking about the type of linemen he likes since he came here. Its like the total opposite of the Gibbs linemen. We've got the lightest line in the league right now (at least thats what I heard in the last game). And what's happening is that we're doing this zone blocking stuff, but when it comes to creating a pocket and just giving RG3 time, a big dominant DE/DT can just manhandle them and throw them around. I just rewatched the Philly game and while people want to get mad about the missed passes RG3 made or the fact that RG3 didn't step up in the pocket on that last play, the truth is that the line was getting penetrated on like every single play through the middle, so the one time that its not penetrated and RG3 doesn't step up he gets criticized. Maybe the problem is that we have bad players for Shanny's scheme, but maybe the problem is that Shanny's scheme isn't worth its weight in gold as some once thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuji869 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Hayden Fox, he took Minnesota State to a National Championship and the expansion Orlando Breakers to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Added Shanahan: “We spent a lot of time in the first year through the draft talking about what we were looking for. Over years, they understand what you’re looking for. All of a sudden they see these players play, they look at film and go, ‘OK, now I understand this is what they’re looking for.’ It’s just communication and spending time together. I think it has really helped.” This says a lot right here. I spent a lot of time that first year criticizing Shanny for only having Williams and Riley come out of that draft. Things did seem to improve (drastically) in 2011, 2012 and 2013, but that's more in terms of making the roster. I'm still not seeing much from Shanny draft picks as far as contributions on the team. As I look at the numbers now, it does seem like as the years progressed, he has gotten better and better at drafting. But I still question why he seems to be so against rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1683607-every-nfl-teams-best-assistant-coach Best Assistant Coaches in the NFL by team. Chicago Bears - Aaron Kromer, Offensive Coordinator/Offensive Line Cincinnati Bengals - Mike Zimmer, Defensive Coordinator Buffalo Bills - Mike Pettine, Defensive Coordinator Denver Broncos - Jack Del Rio, Defensive Coordinator Cleveland Browns - Norv Turner, Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Earnest Byner, Running Backs Arizona Cardinals - John Lott, Strength and Conditioning San Diego Chargers - Ken Whisenhunt, Offensive Coordinator Kansas City Chiefs - David Culley, Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers Indianapolis Colts - Pep Hamilton, Offensive Coordinator Dallas Cowboys - Bill Callahan, Offensive Coordinator/Offensive Line Miami Dolphins - Mike Sherman, Offensive Coordinator Philadelphia Eagles - Ted Williams, Tight Ends Atlanta Falcons - Dirk Koetter, Offensive Coordinator San Francisco 49ers - Greg Roman, Offensive Coordinator New York Giants - Perry Fewell, Defensive Coordinator Jacksonville Jaguars - Todd Wash, Defensive Line New York Jets - Marty Mornhinweg, Offensive Coordinator Detroit Lions - Jim Washburn, Asst. Defensive Line/Pass Rush Specialist Green Bay Packers - Tom Clements, Offensive Coordinator Carolina Panthers - Pete Hoener, Tight Ends New England Patriots - Pepper Johnson, Linebackers Oakland Raiders - Tony Sparano, Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Line St. Louis Rams - MIke Waufle, Defensive Line Baltimore Ravens - Ted Monachino, Linebackers Washington Redskins - Kyle Shanahan, Offensive Coordinator New Orleans Saints - Rob Ryan, Defensive Coordinator Seattle Seahawks - Kris Richard, Defensive Backs Pittsburgh Steelers - Dick LeBeau, Defensive Coordinator Houston Texans - Wade Phillips, Defensive Coordinator Tennessee Titans - Shawn Jefferson, Wide Receivers Minnesota Vikings - Jeff Davidson, Offensive Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I've been a Shanahan supporter for his entire four years and now I'm 50/50 on whether he should be fired at the end of the year. I believe with an offseason rg3 will be better as long as we upgrade the OL. If rg3 is better the entire offense will be better. The offense was pretty good up until the 49er game as well. I still think continuity for rg3 in the early part of his career is extremely important. We saw what happened to Jason Campbell and Alex Smith. They both had either different coaches or different offensive coaches for their first 5 or six years in the league. Continuity is good and Shanahan isn't a bad coach. He does have to fire burns and Haslett though. I am wavering though. Look on the bright side....we will have a high 2nd round pick, which is just like a 1st IMO, because many 1st rounders drop into the 2nd and this year is supposed to be another deep draft. Httr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasSkinsFan Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I have read people posting that we need a GM and I've seen a long list of retread coaching candidates listed here of guys who have been in the league for many years. Let me ask all of you something, if you read my words I would like your input Who are the most successful head coaches in the league today? Now subtract the guys who have been doing it and being successful for a very long time like Marvin Lewis, Bill Belicheck, Andy Reid, John Fox and then answer that question and tell me who you are left with. My answer to that question is Pete Carol John and Jim Harbaugh Chip Kelly Chuck Pagano Outside of Chuck Pagano what all of those guys have in common with one another is recent college success and very good recent NFL drafts. I believe that the guys like Carrol who have drafted the best recently did so because he came from a past of recruiting those same players and knew them better then most. I think the problem that the Redskins have had is that the last time they reached into the college ranks for a head coach they picked Steve Spurrier. When Skins fans (not a user) bring up the last recent college coach Spurrier they say it with such disappoint that to revisit that failure again would be like opening a wound and tearing off a scab that still hurts. I honestly don't get that. Just because that one guy failed does not mean that all of them will fail. One does not make a pattern. There is a pattern here though that most people ignore In the time since Snyder took over we have had 3 veteran head coaches - Schottenheimer, Gibbs, and Shanahan long removed from the college ranks. We have 1 completely unknown head coach with no head coaching experience outside of QB coach in Jim Zorn, and we have had a single college head coach in Spurrier. If we go with another veteran head coach we are going most likely to get a disappointing head coach like those three others before them because as a Redskins fan I refuse to believe that Joe Gibbs suddenly lost his ability to coach, the game had passed him by sure but that man was the greatest NFL head coach imo of all time. He is a GOAT but even he couldn't recreate the magic. And none of the other veteran coaches could recreate the magic either. I think it's impossible to do that. We honestly need to go choose someone out of the college ranks. Someone who knows the college system and players and has recruited and had success recently when we choose a head coach. We really should not consider a veteran coach to take over this. Sometimes the biggest risk taken moves like the decision to go with Joe Gibbs as head coach will pay off the biggest rewards. Playing it safe is foolish imo. We have to take a risk on a college coach this time around Now I know that some of you will want me to name someone. To be honest I can't. Part of the problem is I don't know the contractual situations with the top college coaches. Part of the problem is I think that the best college coach choices would depend on if a GM was added first and what type of football team they wanted to build. If you bring in a GM the advantage is that you now have someone over the head coaches head that will monitor success and failure of the coach because his own success and failure is tied together. The problem with a GM is like with Vinny they don't always mean success for a team. I can not name a name, but I can tell you that the next head coach for the Redskins should be coming from the college ranks and it's not that hard to figure out where I would take them. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130429/sec-nfl-draft/ For seven straight seasons, the SEC has lorded over college football, racking up national championships, producing must-see Saturday games and inciting endless debate between its supporters and detractors. With each year The Streak lives on, fans outside the South wonder when some other conference or team will begin to close the gap. If this year's NFL draft is any indication, however, the discrepancy is actually wider now than it has been at any point since The Streak began. When the final name was called on Saturday, the SEC had set a modern record with 63 draft picks, more than double that of any other conference. The SEC East alone had more picks (32) than the next-nearest conference, the ACC (31). The SEC's total was the most any league had produced since the Pac-10's 55 in 1983 and represented one-quarter of all players drafted. The league also tied another record with 12 first-round selections. Even if you tossed out the combined seven picks produced by SEC newcomers Texas A&M and Missouri, the league still would've broken the Pac-10's mark. Take one of those SEC coaches and run with them. They obviously are doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Ed Orgeron (USC) is now available, as 'SC decided to hire Steve Sarkisian from Washington and Orgeron is incensed -- he flat out quit rather than take an extremely high-paying "assistant head coach" job (per ESPN). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I put my stamp of approval for Darrell Bevell as HC and OC. Current SEA OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedup2 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Bevell. Seattle OC is a great choice. Experienced, young, had some success previously, and success now...and we need that O system. Maybe he can coach up some DBs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Put me on the Bevell train. This is the guy, he has to be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagletooth Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Yeah Bevell makes a lot of sense. He comes from west coast philosophies with experience in Green Bay and with Childress in Minnesota. Russell Wilson and RGIII have similiar styles. I'm not sure how much zone they use in the running game, but I don't think the transition would be too drastic for the offense. I would also like to see more spread concepts with RGIII. Maybe he could bring Tate with him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 What about Urban Meyer? Great eye for talent, very adept at turning around programs expediently. I'm very weary of coaches who have spent too many years picking cherries off the recruiting pie in the southern states. Urban Meyer out of Utah may have had a shot in the NFL. Yeah Bevell makes a lot of sense. He comes from west coast philosophies with experience in Green Bay and with Childress in Minnesota. Russell Wilson and RGIII have similiar styles. I'm not sure how much zone they use in the running game, but I don't think the transition would be too drastic for the offense. I would also like to see more spread concepts with RGIII. Maybe he could bring Tate with him too. He seems to have an innate feel for calling the right plays at the right time. Novel concept in DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Changer Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Lovie Smith to DC!!!! In my opinion, Lovie Smith would be the best option. My argument is that our defense has been atrocious for way too long. Lovie has only had three losing seasons during his nine year tenure in Chicago. His rookie year he lost 5 games and went 7-9 two seasons. Who knows, we might have the pieces on defense to be a top 10 defense under his system. His defensive style alone will attract free agents. Why would free agents want to come to DC under the current system (offense or defense)? As for the offensive side of the ball, I feel as though he need to find a competent offensive coordinator to mesh with RG3. The OC has to have be an offensive mind and proven winner; someone who understands the quarterback position and is able to develop RG3 as a passer. Lovie has the personality to motivate players and he brings a defensive mind to the table. I understand that this is a passing league, but a great defense gives you an opportunity to win every game. Look at what the Seahawks defense did to the Saints. Or perhaps look at what the Chiefs have been able to do with a mediocre offense. We don't need RG3 to be Peyton or Tom, we need him to be better than mediocre. If our defense is superb, we will get back to the Super Bowl with him and Alfred Morris in the backfield. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hammer Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 You guys kill me with this silly **** Hire a component GM and let him build the team. There is no cloud here. They need an Oline, number 1 WR, MLB, and defensive secondary. Whoo thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I put my stamp of approval for Darrell Bevelled as HC and OC. Current SEA OC. I think he'd be a very good choice. I'd be cool with him getting the gig. I read an article from I think httr24-7 that showed he had experience similar to Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton before they were hired as HCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Here's the blog about Darrell Bevell. I'm sold. http://httr24-7.com/blog/irrefutable-proof-our-next-hc-should-be/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Here's an image showing the coaching trees of the current NFL head coaches: I'm starting to wonder how much the diversity of the set of coaches you learned under matters instead of just your actual coaching tree. Some of the names mentioned in this thread: Rob ChudzinskiButch Davis Marty Schottenheimer Romeo Crennel Norv Turner Ron Rivera Mike ZimmerBarry Switzer Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells Bobby Petrino Marvin Lewis Darrell BevellPete Carroll Brad Childress Mike Sherman Just based on those three names, Mike Zimmer definitely stands out. He has the most impressive resume of former employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I think Bevell is a pretty good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardSkinsfanNJ Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Here's the blog about Darrell Bevell. I'm sold. http://httr24-7.com/blog/irrefutable-proof-our-next-hc-should-be/ I would like to see him as our hc.. would improve this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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