CrypticVillain Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Yeah but how is his coaching ability? He got Cam looking good right now. Does that count for something? DC- Wade Phillips (I think they clean house in Houston) If we can get Wade Phillps next year, no matter who the head coach is, I would be pleased. It's problems in Houston, but the defense ain't one of them. That offense keeps setting them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 He got Cam looking good right now. Does that count for something? Counts for something. Not sure I'd risk it by assuming I know what "something" is lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryboy Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Gruden pretty much declined the job tonight in my opinion when Gruden stated oh " Skins be careful what you wish for in a coaching change." The next head coach might like Cousins better than RG3. I just laughed and said well I hope all the extremeskin fans heard this comment. Gruden would have a quarterback controversy day one. Maybe he was declining the job, or maybe he was just answering Question 1 in the job interview. I don't see how anyone can reasonably say that Robert Griffin is still the undisputed franchise quarterback that he seemed to be last year. Maybe it's just the injury affecting him. Maybe he simply doesn't have the ability to be a regular NFL pocket quarterback - and defences have gotten wise to the college quarterback he can be. Maybe the O-line is just so damn useless, and he's getting hit so often that he's simply lost the confidence to play naturally - and when that happens, in an sport, even the greatest thoroughbreds can suddenly turn into donkeys. All of these possibilities are fixable, but those fixes aren't guaranteed to make Griffin a great quarterback. And no sensible, responsible coach - or organisation - can simply say, 'RGII is the future of this franchise, come what may.' Anyone coming in to this franchise - and though i think that the real man to blame is John Mara for landing us with that $36m cap-deduction, I can't see any future for the Shanahans or Haslett here - would have to have an open mind. He'd have to say to Snyder, 'I'll only take the job if I know I'm free to select the man i think is the best quarterback for the way I want to play.' And all is not lost … It looks like Snyder, Allen and Shanahan blew it when they bet the farm on Robert Griffin. But they lucked out when they got two other first-round talents in the 4th and 6th. Alfred Morris has already proved himself. Kirk Cousins may yet do the same. And they even picked up another late-round star in Jordan Reed. We'll have more money next season, plus the amount saved by waving a fond farewell to London Fletcher and Santana Moss and less enthusiastic adieus to Fred Davis, Josh Wilson, Josh Morgan and sundry other superfluous items. An incoming coach might see useful weapons in Garcon, Reed, Morris, and to a lesser extent Hankerson and Helu. Put a decent O-line together and give them a stable, competent, old-school pocket passer like Kirk Cousins and maybe they wouldn't set the world on fire. But they wouldn't be the embarrassment the current, Griffin/Kyle offence has become. But none of this happens unless a new coach has the balls to tell Snyder, 'If I want to play Cousins, or bring in a new QB, that's what's going to happen.' And that's not a controversy. That's just simple common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (5) DC- I WANT SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO CALL A 34 DEFENSE This is what I also want. The man at the top of my list whom I'd like to see get a shot is Kevin Greene. Was a monster on the field in the 3-4, played under Cowher and Capers and has been the LB coach for the packers under Capers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Here's what I'm looking for: (1) A GM from a stable organization that knows how to draft (2) HC I want someone that has either been groomed as an NFL HC, meaning they've been in a coordinator position at the NFL level long enough to have seasoning and their unit must be good. I want a HC that has experience/background on offense but especially in the passing game and for the QB position. If they know the WCO that's a plus. (3) OC must have NFL experience as a QB coach he doesn't have to be a playcaller because if we hire an offensive minded HC they might want to be the playcaller. Would be willing to promote a former QB coach that has worked/had success with a young QB. (4) QB Coach want a coach from the college ranks that really knows the spread offense. (5) DC- I WANT SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO CALL A 34 DEFENSE I agree with all of the above. I'd go after the top guys in the Seattle and SF organizations.They build from the lines out which is something we need. I'd also love to poach Wade Phillips or Ray Horton as my top two DC hopefuls. Not sure of candidates on the other spots though I liked your idea from a previous post about Montgomery from Baylor coming on board. And all is not lost … It looks like Snyder, Allen and Shanahan blew it when they bet the farm on Robert Griffin. But they lucked out when they got two other first-round talents in the 4th and 6th. Alfred Morris has already proved himself. Kirk Cousins may yet do the same. And they even picked up another late-round star in Jordan Reed. I don't know what he shown to make anyone think he was or is a 1st round talent. The RG3 hate on this board is ridiculous. Kirk is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Mike Priefer, STC, Minnesota Vikings. Somewhat of an under the radar name that has already got a HC interview. Former Navy pilot who should be someone RG3 can really get behind considering his family background. OC-Kubiak or Rick Dennison. DC-Greg Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Hackett AFC East AFC North AFC South AFC West Nathaniel Hackett (Buffalo Bills) Mike Sherman (Miami Dolphins) Josh McDaniels (New England Patriots) Marty Mornhinweg (New York Jets) Jim Caldwell (Baltimore Ravens) Jay Gruden (Cincinnati Bengals) Norv Turner (Cleveland Browns) Todd Haley (Pittsburgh Steelers) Rick Dennison (Houston Texans) Pep Hamilton (Indianapolis Colts) Jedd Fisch (Jacksonville Jaguars) Dowell Loggains (Tennessee Titans) Adam Gase (Denver Broncos) Doug Pederson (Kansas City Chiefs) Greg Olson (Oakland Raiders) Ken Whisenhunt (San Diego Chargers) National Football Conference NFC East NFC North NFC South NFC West Bill Callahan (Dallas Cowboys) Kevin Gilbride (New York Giants) Pat Shurmur (Philadelphia Eagles) Kyle Shanahan (Washington Redskins) Aaron Kromer (Chicago Bears) Scott Linehan (Detroit Lions) Tom Clements (Green Bay Packers) Bill Musgrave (Minnesota Vikings) Dirk Koetter (Atlanta Falcons) Mike Shula (Carolina Panthers) Pete Carmichael, Jr. (New Orleans Saints) Mike Sullivan (Tampa Bay Buccaneers) Harold Goodwin (Arizona Cardinals) Brian Schottenheimer (St. Louis Rams) Greg Roman (San Francisco 49ers) Darrell Bevell (Seattle Seahawks) ^^All the current Offensive Coordinators QB Coaches: Current quarterbacks coaches of the National Football League American Football Conference AFC East AFC North AFC South AFC West Nathaniel Hackett* (Buffalo Bills) None (Miami Dolphins) Josh McDaniels* (New England Patriots) David Lee (New York Jets) Jim Caldwell* (Baltimore Ravens) Ken Zampese (Cincinnati Bengals) Norv Turner* (Cleveland Browns) Randy Fichtner (Pittsburgh Steelers) Karl Dorrell (Houston Texans) Clyde Christensen (Indianapolis Colts) Frank Scelfo (Jacksonville Jaguars) Dave Ragone (Tennessee Titans) Greg Knapp (Denver Broncos) Matt Nagy (Kansas City Chiefs) John DeFilippo (Oakland Raiders) Frank Reich (San Diego Chargers) National Football Conference NFC East NFC North NFC South NFC West Wade Wilson (Dallas Cowboys) Sean Ryan (New York Giants) Bill Lazor (Philadelphia Eagles) Matt LaFleur (Washington Redskins) Matt Cavanaugh (Chicago Bears) Todd Downing (Detroit Lions) Ben McAdoo (Green Bay Packers) Craig Johnson (Minnesota Vikings) Glenn Thomas (Atlanta Falcons) Ken Dorsey (Carolina Panthers) Joe Lombardi (New Orleans Saints) John McNulty (Tampa Bay Buccaneers) Freddie Kitchens (Arizona Cardinals) Frank Cignetti, Jr. (St. Louis Rams) Geep Chryst (San Francisco 49ers) Carl Smith (Seattle Seahawks) * = Quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lee_(American_football_coach) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Mike Priefer, STC, Minnesota Vikings. Somewhat of an under the radar name that has already got a HC interview. Former Navy pilot who should be someone RG3 can really get behind considering his family background. OC-Kubiak or Rick Dennison. DC-Greg Williams. Greg Williams isn't coming back here nor should he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I knew that name sounded familiar. Is that really him? Dude is the luckiest college QB ever. We can use some of that luck. If he runs anything like that offense down at the U we will be in good shape. Very close to what Seattle is running right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemocystem Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I'm generally in the NO RETREADS camp...except I would bend that rule for John Gruden. Beyond that...I could go with HE - Art Briles, DC - Spanos. Please keep Love Smith & Ken Whisenhunt FAR AWAY from my team! As for GM...no clue. Part of me thinks Gruden could do it...The rest of me isn't so sure. One thing is for sure....we need an overhaul & a modern/innovative system & we need to strike gold in a coal mine. What kills me is that we continue to miss out on that white unicorn by getting stuck with failures. We missed Chip Kelly because we were committed to Shanahan. We missed Payton because of Gibbs or Zorn...can't remember now. We whiffed on Harbaugh & Carroll...& we'll probably guess wrong now. Eff you football Gods...I hate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I would just like a coach with a brain. Someone who can manage to get a playcall in one 2nd and 1 with the clock stopped and not have to take a T.O. with only 42 seconds left in the game. That right there is exactly when Shanny needs to go. A college coach...maybe not even a H.S. coach would make that mistake. And it wasn't the first and wont be the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantu Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I've said it in other threads and I'll say it here, too. Snyder does not know how to even interview/hire/fire any potential head of football operations. He needs to either die an early death so we can end this nightmare that's been going on since he took over... or more realistically, he needs to hire a consultant that can demonstrate how to assemble a front office staff. Not going to happen because Snyder is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Greg Williams isn't coming back here nor should he. Why not? He'd jump at an opportunity for redemption, despite the way he left he still has some ties here, the players fit his system more than the current one and he can still coach the heck out of a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasthunder Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I like the idea of Greg Roman coming in. We would keep some continuity in the offense. He was OC at Stanford for a couple of years. Has been with Carolina, Baltimore and Houston, so he knows about NFL teams. As for a DC, I would hope they can get somebody like Lovey Smith. BTW- Does anybody know when Kyles contract expires ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I like the idea of Greg Roman coming in. We would keep some continuity in the offense. He was OC at Stanford for a couple of years. Has been with Carolina, Baltimore and Houston, so he knows about NFL teams. As for a DC, I would hope they can get somebody like Lovey Smith. BTW- Does anybody know when Kyles contract expires ?? I bet you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Since Dan has bought the team only one thing has stayed status quo. He has tried everything except hire a real GM. It's time for that to happen. You just cant compromise the chain of command with friends, family members, and yes men. It has been a weak link for the team since Mr. Snyder bought the team. I have a good feeling we will finally get one soon. Enough is enough. HTTR This. But I'm not sure we get one. Too many people seem to think Bruce Allen makes for a passable front office. The lack of true GM isn't getting nearly enough media time. Snyder has pulled the wool over most folks' eyes it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aolforbroadband Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 ...Marty Schottenheimer, and he couldn't fix it. Correction, he wasn't given a chance to fix it since he was shown the door for Spurrier. That team finished 8-3 with Tony farking Banks playing QB with Kent Graham also logging playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planter Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 GM Scott Pioli ..... Interesting although we may want to retain Allen in some capacity. Lovie Smith....hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 John Harbaugh, or Mike Smith type. Position Coaches (not DC's) for several years each ... John 10 years, Smith 8 years. Talk about paying your dues. You guys know of any??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 This. But I'm not sure we get one. Too many people seem to think Bruce Allen makes for a passable front office. The lack of true GM isn't getting nearly enough media time. Snyder has pulled the wool over most folks' eyes it seems. I think Bruce Allen could be a Stan Kasten type, "President of Football Operations" who hires a GM like Mike Rizzo to run the day to day operations. That GM then picks his coach. That is my hope and prayer at least because the organization badly needs that. For better or worse, the Nationals are Mike Rizzo's organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I'm liking the Pioli/McDaniels reunion idea. McDaniels would be fine as a HC/offensive mind as long as he's not in complete control. He messed himself in Denver when he got his shot because he was in complete control. He's a brilliant offensive mind and if Pioli can set us up defensively the way he helped set up NE back in the day and KC more recently, we'll be happy fans. He's got extensive experience acquiring talent for the 3-4. I also bet that failing once was a great lesson for McDaniels, a la Belichick once upon a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD Riggo Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Whisenhunt is actually a very interesting choice. You say he's not lightning it up in SD, but the Chargers offense is legit good and he's turned Rivers's career around even though he doesn't necessarily have world class talent around him(an older Gates and a 3rd round rookie WR who's been good, but still a rook). His offenses in Pittsburgh were pretty solid too, and he was quite successful with a Cardinals team that hadn't won squat before he got there. I'd actually be okay with hiring Whsienhunt too. But there's the problema -- every 2-4 years, we are like a teenage boy who's growing tired of the current love interest. So, we jump to the next "hot girl," only to find out in 2-4 years that she ain't so hot either! Be careful what you wish for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 If we make a change I would like to see it start at the very top. If you want to keep Bruce Allen around that's fine but stop with the silly charade of him being a GM. Give the kid who's been patiently waiting for the job a chance, Morocco Brown. Give him full authority to hire, fire, sign and draft. Nothing else has worked, I want to try it this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 But there's the problema -- every 2-4 years, we are like a teenage boy who's growing tired of the current love interest. So, we jump to the next "hot girl," only to find out in 2-4 years that she ain't so hot either! Be careful what you wish for! To make this analogy work, the "hot girl" we end up dating has to turn out to be lame-brained, 400 lbs and have non-functioning lady parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraunMan92 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Greg Williams isn't coming back here nor should he. Why not? Guy knows how to coach defense and get people to play with a chip on their shoulder. If we make a change I would like to see it start at the very top. If you want to keep Bruce Allen around that's fine but stop with the silly charade of him being a GM. Give the kid who's been patiently waiting for the job a chance, Morocco Brown. Give him full authority to hire, fire, sign and draft. Nothing else has worked, I want to try it this way. I agree. We shouldn't hire a head coach who is over 55 either - unless its Joe Gibbs or Bill Parcells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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