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Election 16: Donald Trumps wins Presidency. God Help us all!

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thebluefood

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27 minutes ago, brandymac27 said:

Writing-in Bernie because reasons

Yeah I heard about this through the grapevine. My hardcore Berner buddies are pretty jazzed up about it (despite Sen. Sanders imploring people to vote for Clinton).

But seeing how Social Democrats are everyone's favorite in this thread, I'm gonna find a nice warm bunker to settle into while this blows over. :silly:

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Hersh

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Just now, thebluefood said:

Yeah I heard about this through the grapevine. My hardcore Berner buddies are pretty jazzed up about it (despite Sen. Sanders imploring people to vote for Clinton).

But seeing how Social Democrats are everyone's favorite in this thread, I'm gonna find a nice warm bunker to settle into while this blows over. :silly:

Yeah, they are a little out of touch with reality and seem to have a little too much time on their hands.   

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nonniey

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Another example of why this election is sickening. Trump and his supporters are cheering a poll that states more now think he is more honest than Clinton. Like that is something to brag about???? It would be like Stalin supporters trumpeting that Stalin actually killed fewer people than Hitler.

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DogofWar1

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The still-Bernie crowd, at this point, has zero interest in policy.  They can't, they functionally can't.  They are too anti-establishment and/or have had their minds poisoned by the GOP's HRC hunts to think clearly, either/both about HRC and the policies at stake this cycle.

Many of them probably don't even love Bernie himself so much as they love the idea of his policies (or at least what they believe his policies are).  I would bet many of them would be extremely hurt if Bernie actually won and had to compromise to get things passed.  Bernie would have to moderate his platform (likely right about to where Hillary wants), and some would declare him a traitor to their cause.

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brandymac27

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2 minutes ago, tshile said:

yeah someone broke the forum with their article

*ahem*

this is why we can't have nice things

It was me :( I went back and edited the article, but when Bluefood quoted the original post, the letters came back.

20 minutes ago, thebluefood said:

Yeah I heard about this through the grapevine. My hardcore Berner buddies are pretty jazzed up about it (despite Sen. Sanders imploring people to vote for Clinton).

But seeing how Social Democrats are everyone's favorite in this thread, I'm gonna find a nice warm bunker to settle into while this blows over. :silly:

Sorry, but can you edit out the article in that post? I screwed up when I originally posted it.

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thebluefood

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14 minutes ago, LD0506 said:

Well if the butthurters throw the election to Trump out of some petulant reflex, they'll soon long for the comfy days when Mom HAD a basement for 'em.

At this point they are right up there with the Jill Stein moonbats

 

17 minutes ago, Hersh said:

Yeah, they are a little out of touch with reality and seem to have a little too much time on their hands.   

Ah, there it is. You all never fail to disappoint.

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Hersh

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2 hours ago, StillUnknown said:

the real kicker is going to be when blacks are blamed for not voting if Trump wins

already seeing it on some corners of the internets 

I don't know if that will be the case, but there was some good commentary yesterday on whether models from 2008 and 2012 should be the models for the black vote numbers. Should the real comparison be 2004? Plus, I do think the advantage of educated white voters, the increase in Hispanic vote and other possible voting splits could offset that lower number. If the full vote from 2012 was expected, perhaps this would be a true landslide considering the other voting blocs. 

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Hersh

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Just now, thebluefood said:

 

Ah, there it is. You all never fail to disappoint.

I gave that to you cause you asked for it but am I wrong? They think they are going to hold Clinton under 270 and get Bernie elected some how?

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8 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

The still-Bernie crowd, at this point, has zero interest in policy.  They can't, they functionally can't.  They are too anti-establishment and/or have had their minds poisoned by the GOP's HRC hunts to think clearly, either/both about HRC and the policies at stake this cycle.

Many of them probably don't even love Bernie himself so much as they love the idea of his policies (or at least what they believe his policies are).  I would bet many of them would be extremely hurt if Bernie actually won and had to compromise to get things passed.  Bernie would have to moderate his platform (likely right about to where Hillary wants), and some would declare him a traitor to their cause.

I like his position on healthcare. I'm not butthurt that he lost, I'm just a little upset. I'll still be voting for Hillary regardless because there's no possible way I can vote for Trump (or a 3rd party knowing it's a vote for Trump).

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nonniey

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Just now, Hersh said:

I gave that to you cause you asked for it but am I wrong? They think they are going to hold Clinton under 270 and get Bernie elected some how?

Especially when the Republicans have more states (ie more votes)  McMullin is the only one with a shot in that scenario.

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Hersh

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23 minutes ago, brandymac27 said:

I resent that! I absolutely LOVE Bernie!

Are you doing a write in campaign with hopes of getting Bernie elected? It has nothing to do with people that love Bernie and his message. It has to do with what they are hoping to get done. 

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Hersh

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Just now, brandymac27 said:

No, because I know at this point that would be a vote for Trump.

So there is nothing to resent cause I'm not talking about you. What they are doing is a pipe dream and really not effective in implementing the kind of change Bernie stood for. 

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brandymac27

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The hardcore Bernie supporters are just as anti-establishment as Trump supporters are IMPO.  They want change, but on a different level. They're gonna do what they can to have their voice heard. 

I can't blame them for feeling the way they do, but I also feel that trying to throw the election in the hopes no-one hits 270 is too risky in this particular election. If it weren't for Trump running, I'd support them in writing in Bernie.

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thebluefood

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20 minutes ago, Hersh said:

I gave that to you cause you asked for it but am I wrong? They think they are going to hold Clinton under 270 and get Bernie elected some how?

I'm not saying you're wrong on all counts. Certainly there are some members of the "Still Bernie" and "Jill Not Hill" crowd that may need to take a minute and reevaluate their motives and their ballot. But at the same time - yeah, there are some of us that voted for Sen. Sanders (at least in the primaries) and voted for Dr. Stine because they're actual Social Democrats or, in some cases, Democratic Socialists (I find myself somewhere in between right now).

I have my reasons for my ballot and my ideology. I believe no one should go without any of life's basic needs (food, water, shelter, health care, and access to a comprehensive, well rounded education). I believe workers should have the right to organize without fear of retribution - and though it is no longer against the law to unionize in America, you can bet attempts to organize workers can be harmful to one's job prospects. I believe in a nation that actually lives up to its ethics - that "all men are Created equal" and that the government is responsible, in part, for ensuring "the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" (something that isn't easy to do when the ice caps have melted and the air isn't breathable).

This doesn't mean everyone ought to have a free ride. As a matter of fact, it's going to require a much broader tax base, which means more people engaged in the labor market. And yes, that also means raising one's taxes and while I'm having a tough time making it now, I voted for an explicit (Sanders) and an implicit (Stein) tax raise for myself and would gladly do so again.

Are they perfect candidates? Not at all. But they (Sanders especially) has helped kick new life into the left and I am grateful for it.

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